# My Amazing Encounters with Jesus Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774 "2016-03-02T22:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/561 "2016-03-12T04:08:14Z")
The story on the painting [is here](http://tsn.ua/nauka_it/nasa-znayshlo-zhivu-ikonu-materi-bozhoyi-z-temperaturoyu-tila-lyudini.html): > [@](#): > > Україна Політика Економіка Відео Випуски ТСН Проспорт Авто Леді Наука та ІТ UARU NASA ЗНАЙШЛО ІКОНУ З ТЕМПЕРАТУРОЮ 36,6 І ПУЛЬСОМ Наука та IT **19 грудня, 2011** , 22:5527 Нові дослідження NASA загадкової ікони Божої Матері Гваделупської показали, що її о чі " реагують" на світло, а температура ікони - 36,6. Космічне агентство NASA (США) опублікувало результати наукових досліджень, зроблених над іконою Божої Матері з Гваделупи. Сенсаційним став той факт, що офтальмологічний аналіз очей Марії показав зменшення зіниці ока при наближенні світла і розширення при його видаленні, як це буває з очима живої людини. > Також вчені помітили, що температура тканини, на якій був зображений образ, відповідає температурі тіла здорової людини - 36,6 градусів. > > При прослуховуванні тіла Марії стетоскопом, вчені виявили відчутний пульс 115 ударів на хвилину, що відповідає серцебиттю дитини, яка знаходиться в утробі матері. Згідно з дослідженнями фахівців з NASA, фарби, якими була намальована ікона, ніколи не знаходили на Землі. Відомий випадок, коли на початку ХХ століття поряд з іконою > > Марії заклали бомбу, руйнівна сила якої мала великий радіус. Проте, коли стався вибух, все навколо було знищено, але ікона залишилася цілою і неушкодженою. Цікаво і те, зазначають науковці, що руки Діви Марії мають невеликі відмінності: права світліша, а ліва темніша, що може означати єдність між расами. На часі дослідники NASA продовжують вивчати ікону Матері Божої з Гваделупи. Note the date, in green (the month is December). The line I highlighted in blue is where they mention the paint/material. Feed that into google-translate and it does not quite come out the same as what **ScottRP** ’s source says. But this is not divinely-inspired text: we know _that_ text was translated with perfect accuracy and no ambiguity. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/562 "2016-03-12T04:10:43Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > A question. Since your God made everything in the universe it follows that he created Evil. Yet you speak of an age-old battle between Good and Evil. Is God then battling against himself? Far be it from me to fathom the mind of this all-powerful deity but it does seem as if he has a severe personality disorder. It would be a rather unsettling thought to imagine we were in a universe ruled by a mad god were it not for the comforting realization that it’s all superstitious nonsense. “The problem of evil” (and the problem of pain) is a gigantic fly in the theological ointment. Christianity tries to get around it by blaming Adam and The Fall for the existence of sin and pain…but this overlooks the role of The Serpent, and the obvious pre-existence of evil in the otherwise perfect world of Eden. It also is very damaging to a religion that depends upon “The Elect” to see not only terrible things happening to good people, but numerous really bad people living entirely blessed lives. The complete decoupling of morality from outcome seriously impugns the notion of an intervening God. (I still laugh at when Jerry Fallwell declared that a hurricane would wipe out Disney World, for their sin of allowing gays to dance. The hurricane, instead, fell on Fallwell’s own town of Lynchburg VA. Hm… Maybe God does intervene on moral grounds!) ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/563 "2016-03-12T14:13:43Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The story on the painting [is here](http://tsn.ua/nauka_it/nasa-znayshlo-zhivu-ikonu-materi-bozhoyi-z-temperaturoyu-tila-lyudini.html): That’s actually ScottRP’s source in Russian. Scott, while it’s commendable you have such a good moral code, you’re basing your faith on orbs that are easily explained as camera lens defects, pareidolia, and the words of charlatans. Eventually you’re going to realize these are phonies, and you’ll have a spiritual crisis on your hands. Stop using these dubious shams to verify your beliefs and stick to what’s true. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/564 "2016-03-12T19:48:18Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > That’s actually ScottRP’s source in Russian. Ukrainian. Anyway, I think ScottPR has left the building. We lose more new friends this way… ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/565 "2016-03-12T20:11:50Z")
Awe … I still love y’all … I’m genuinely humiliated at how much I’ve learned about my own religion from the non-believers … humiliated I say … ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/566 "2016-03-12T20:57:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > **ScottRP** , could you directly respond to this correction to your erroneous post, please? My post was not erroneous, I was quoting a source. From my understanding, it was members of the JPL that examined the tilma. And no, I do not have a source for that. I would not discount all this though. I believe the Vatican claims it all to be true. Surely, they would not lie about something like this. Also I heard that, “In 1936, biochemist Richard Kuhn, a Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, analyzed a sample of the fabric and ascertained that the pigments used were from no known source, whether natural, animal, mineral, or vegetable.” It is reasonable to believe that the image has been examined. And we find no reports of any scientific examination to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/567 "2016-03-12T21:01:11Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > And while you are at it, could you comment on whether or not I am damned for all time? I do not believe that you were sincere, nor meant it in your heart. Ask for forgiveness. A wise man would be on the road to heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/568 "2016-03-12T21:07:07Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > I do not believe that you were sincere, nor meant it in your heart. Ask for forgiveness. A wise man would be on the road to heaven. That’s a rather arrogant attitude. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/569 "2016-03-12T21:09:23Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > A question. Since your God made everything in the universe it follows that he created Evil. Yet you speak of an age-old battle between Good and Evil. Just as God did not bring illegal drugs and cigarettes into this world, neither did He bring evil into it. God battles evil by delivering souls from the evils of hell through His Son, Jesus Christ. Where you go is up to you according to your faith. It is a personal choice to be with God in heaven or without Him in hell. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/570 "2016-03-12T21:22:26Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > That’s actually ScottRP’s source in Russian. > > Scott, while it’s commendable you have such a good moral code, you’re basing your faith on orbs that are easily explained as camera lens defects, pareidolia, and the words of charlatans. Eventually you’re going to realize these are phonies, and you’ll have a spiritual crisis on your hands. Stop using these dubious shams to verify your beliefs and stick to what’s true. Your sources are from those with no empirical knowledge. They have never seen a spiritual orb for themselves and hence know nothing about them. You may as well give up on trying to discredit me about these orbs because I have seen and studied thousands of these orbs with my naked eyes and know exactly what they are. They are the Holy Spirit and some of His works. I will not budge from the truth. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/571 "2016-03-12T21:43:39Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Just as God did not bring illegal drugs and cigarettes into this world, neither did He bring evil into it. If god made the universe and everything in it, then he made tobacco and marijuana and poppies. Didn’t Jesus turn water into wine? > [@ScottRP](#): > > God battles evil by delivering souls from the evils of hell through His Son, Jesus Christ. Where you go is up to you according to your faith. It is a personal choice to be with God in heaven or without Him in hell. Who created the snake in the garden of evil? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/572 "2016-03-12T21:48:36Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Your sources are from those with no empirical knowledge. They have never seen a spiritual orb for themselves and hence know nothing about them. You may as well give up on trying to discredit me about these orbs because I have seen and studied thousands of these orbs with my naked eyes and know exactly what they are. They are the Holy Spirit and some of His works. I will not budge from the truth. Where exactly have you seen these orbs with your naked eye? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/573 "2016-03-12T21:50:10Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > If god made the universe and everything in it, then he made tobacco and marijuana and poppies. Didn’t Jesus turn water into wine? > > Who created the snake in the garden of evil? I fear where your best thinking takes you. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/574 "2016-03-12T21:51:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Where exactly have you seen these orbs with your naked eye? They are all around us everywhere in the spirit world. God’s omnipresence is through His Holy Spirit. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/575 "2016-03-12T21:52:31Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Who created the snake in the garden of evil? :smack:… garden of eden. (Freudian slip?) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/576 "2016-03-12T21:54:02Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Your sources are from those with no empirical knowledge. They have never seen a spiritual orb for themselves and hence know nothing about them. You may as well give up on trying to discredit me about these orbs because I have seen and studied thousands of these orbs with my naked eyes and know exactly what they are. They are the Holy Spirit and some of His works. I will not budge from the truth. Okay, you see them, and you know what they are. I think many of us can believe that you do see them. Most of the rest of us do not see them and have no reason to believe that they exist. In what way are your visions of value to us? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/577 "2016-03-12T21:54:43Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > They are all around us everywhere in the spirit world. God’s omnipresence is through His Holy Spirit. We live in the “spirit world”? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/578 "2016-03-12T21:55:45Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > I fear where your best thinking takes you. I fear you’ve avoided answering my question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/579 "2016-03-12T22:05:51Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > My post was not erroneous, I was quoting a source. From my understanding, it was members of the JPL that examined the tilma. And no, I do not have a source for that. I would not discount all this though. I believe the Vatican claims it all to be true. Please show us a link where the Vatican claims it all to be true. If you cannot, will you change your beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/580 "2016-03-12T22:09:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > We live in the “spirit world”? We live in the physical, not the spiritual world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=30)