# My Amazing Encounters with Jesus Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774 "2016-03-02T22:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/601 "2016-03-12T23:59:06Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > My work? I’m retired. I sit and play on the computer all day. I never knew that was doing evil. God wants people saved. If you speak out against Him or His Son’s Redemptive work of salvation you are being evil. You are literally doing the work of the Evil One. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/602 "2016-03-13T00:19:07Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God wants people saved. If you speak out against Him or His Son’s Redemptive work of salvation you are being evil. You are literally doing the work of the Evil One. Would you say that Tomás de Torquemada was a good person? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/603 "2016-03-13T00:21:31Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Your sources are from those with no empirical knowledge. They have never seen a spiritual orb for themselves and hence know nothing about them. You may as well give up on trying to discredit me about these orbs because I have seen and studied thousands of these orbs with my naked eyes and know exactly what they are. They are the Holy Spirit and some of His works. I will not budge from the truth. I don’t think you understand what “empirical” means. Empiricism is observation without bias or expectation. A truly empirical observation is “I see a white round shape,” not “I see an angel on a chariot.” You might be able to find some characteristics that resemble what you THINK is an angel on a chariot, but you cannot empirically conclude what you’re seeing is actually an angel on a chariot. Photographers have studied orbs to determine how they can keep from capturing them, and they did so [empirically](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(optics)). > [@](#): > > Orbs are captured during low-light instances where the camera’s flash is used. Cases include night or underwater photography, or where a bright light source is near the camera. > > The orb artifact can result from retroreflection of light off solid particles, such as dust or pollen, or liquid particles, especially rain. They can also be caused by foreign material within the camera lens. > > The image artifacts usually appear as either white or semi-transparent circles, though may also occur with whole or partial color spectra, purple fringing or other chromatic aberration. With rain droplets, an image may capture light passing through the droplet creating a small rainbow effect. In underwater conditions, particles such as sand or small sea life close to the lens, invisible to the diver, reflect light from the flash causing the orb artifact in the image. A strobe flash, which distances the flash from the lens, eliminates the artifacts. > > The artifacts are especially common with compact or ultra-compact cameras, where the short distance between the lens and the built-in flash decreases the angle of light reflection to the lens, directly illuminating the aspect of the particles facing the lens and increasing the camera’s ability to capture the light reflected off normally sub-visible particles. As you can see, they’ve observed every environment and photographic setup and determined the ones in which orbs are most likely to occur. Test, observe, record. Test, observe, record. That’s empirical thinking. That’s how we managed to creep out of the dark ages. We found out that the heart isn’t the center of the human body by actually cutting open human bodies. We found out the Earth was round because we actually sailed instead of relying on the old belief that it was flat. We found out colds were caused by germs, not because we displeased God. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/604 "2016-03-13T00:46:06Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > [Here is support from the Catholic Church.](http://www.conchiglia.us/UK/UK_C_lettere/07.67_UK_NASA_SCOPERTE_SULLA_TILMA_13.05.07.pdf) That is a PDF link. Just a bit of advice, ScottRP: On this board, it’s considered good form to alert others that a link you’ve posted is a PDF. The reason for that is quite a number of posters have issues with their computer opening online PDFs. It also seems that a careful reading of that letter evidences there was prior correspondence to that letter’s author advising him that his, let’s call it, take on religious issues is heretical as far as the Roman Catholic Church is concerned. Tell us, ScottRP, did you write that letter? Is “[your] [post](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/post?s=t) [your] cite”? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/605 "2016-03-13T00:48:17Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > The fires of hell are indicative of a ruinous soul in need of salvation. You didn’t answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/606 "2016-03-13T00:49:21Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God wants people saved. If you speak out against Him or His Son’s Redemptive work of salvation you are being evil. You are literally doing the work of the Evil One. So if I disagree with you, I’m going to Hell? What gospel mentions your holy works? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/607 "2016-03-13T00:54:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That letter doesn’t confirm anything except your idea of a “cite” is different from most of ours. That letter came from [this goofy website.](http://www.conchiglia.us/UK/UK_index.html) and is about as mainstream Catholic as a Sausage McMuffin communion wafer. [short aside]Hah! Your comment reminded me of what happened a little over a year ago at my LDS branch here in Beijing during Sacrament service. As the priests were passing the Sacrament bread to one little boy, the boy asked his mother rather loudly, “Where’s the jam?” I was sitting two rows behind him so I heard him quite clearly. And I thought, “That would be cool, wouldn’t it?” [back on topic]While I, along with that youngster, thought it would be cool, what we do not do is go around saying that something that is obviously not part of our church’s doctrine and tradition is part of its doctrine and tradition. ScottRP: There was one poster on this board a while ago who says he’s both Muslim and Mormon. Your posts in this thread show you are trying to do something similar. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/608 "2016-03-13T00:59:46Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I don’t think you understand what “empirical” means. Empiricism is observation without bias or expectation. A truly empirical observation is “I see a white round shape,” not “I see an angel on a chariot.” You might be able to find some characteristics that resemble what you THINK is an angel on a chariot, but you cannot empirically conclude what you’re seeing is actually an angel on a chariot. > > Photographers have studied orbs to determine how they can keep from capturing them, and they did so [empirically](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(optics)). > > As you can see, they’ve observed every environment and photographic setup and determined the ones in which orbs are most likely to occur. Test, observe, record. Test, observe, record. That’s empirical thinking. That’s how we managed to creep out of the dark ages. We found out that the heart isn’t the center of the human body by actually cutting open human bodies. We found out the Earth was round because we actually sailed instead of relying on the old belief that it was flat. We found out colds were caused by germs, not because we displeased God. Yet, they fail to explain all these [eye witness accounts of orbs.](http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/White-Ball-Of-Light) It is funny that no one who has actually seen one agrees with you. You agree with those who are ignorant of orbs. And just why is it that thousands of people all over the internet call these spiritual orbs…spirit orbs, angel orbs, and ghost orbs? This is because they are a real living spiritual entity! ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/609 "2016-03-13T01:06:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That is a PDF link. Just a bit of advice, ScottRP: On this board, it’s considered good form to alert others that a link you’ve posted is a PDF. The reason for that is quite a number of posters have issues with their computer opening online PDFs. > > It also seems that a careful reading of that letter evidences there was prior correspondence to that letter’s author advising him that his, let’s call it, take on religious issues is heretical as far as the Roman Catholic Church is concerned. > > Tell us, ScottRP, did you write that letter? Is “[your] [post](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/post?s=t) [your] cite”? Thanks for the heads up on the PDF. No, I did not write that letter. In fact, I failed to even read it before I posted it when I should have. My apologizes. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/610 "2016-03-13T01:08:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [short aside]Hah! Your comment reminded me of what happened a little over a year ago at my LDS branch here in Beijing during Sacrament service. As the priests were passing the Sacrament bread to one little boy, the boy asked his mother rather loudly, “Where’s the jam?” I was sitting two rows behind him so I heard him quite clearly. And I thought, “That would be cool, wouldn’t it?” > > [back on topic]While I, along with that youngster, thought it would be cool, what we do not do is go around saying that something that is obviously not part of our church’s doctrine and tradition is part of its doctrine and tradition. > > ScottRP: There was one poster on this board a while ago who says he’s both Muslim and Mormon. Your posts in this thread show you are trying to do something similar. What exactly is it that you find not part of the Church doctrine? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/611 "2016-03-13T01:09:12Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Thanks for the heads up on the PDF. No, I did not write that letter. In fact, I failed to even read it before I posted it when I should have. My apologizes. So, basically you’re tossing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks. By the way, what common item usually sticks to the wall when chucked against said wall? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/612 "2016-03-13T01:10:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So, basically you’re tossing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks. By the way, what common item usually sticks to the wall when chucked against said wall? Spaghetti. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/613 "2016-03-13T01:15:59Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God wants people saved. If you speak out against Him or His Son’s Redemptive work of salvation you are being evil. You are literally doing the work of the Evil One. If god wants people saved, maybe he could send a saviour to die in some horrible manner as some kind or sacrifice or something - if only that would happen. Oh, wait - – Actaully - if GOD wanted people to be saved, all he would have to do is wave his little hand and say “you’re saved” - he wouldnt do all this other shit. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/614 "2016-03-13T01:16:50Z")
I have written nothing against scripture nor Catholic Church doctrine. If you feel that I have please bring it up and state your case. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/615 "2016-03-13T01:18:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So, basically you’re tossing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks. By the way, what common item usually sticks to the wall when chucked against said wall? No, I just didn’t have the time to look over that particular piece is all. Next time I will not post before reading. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/616 "2016-03-13T01:19:17Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God wants people saved. If you speak out against Him or His Son’s Redemptive work of salvation you are being evil. You are literally doing the work of the Evil One. And one more time - just because you have yet to ansser it — WHO CREATED THE EVIL ONE??? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/617 "2016-03-13T01:21:59Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > No, I just didn’t have the time to look over that particular piece is all. Next time I will not post before reading. Yeah, right. Look, you said you didn’t even read the thing you tossed on here and said proves your assertions. That’s not “lack of time”. It’s something else entirely. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/618 "2016-03-13T01:44:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Yeah, right. Look, you said you didn’t even read the thing you tossed on here and said proves your assertions. That’s not “lack of time”. It’s something else entirely. That was merely a confessed error on my part. I did read a little of it, but not enough. More importantly, where is your proof that I have written something contrary to scripture or Catholic Theology? You have made the claim. Now, let’s see it. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/619 "2016-03-13T01:48:24Z")
> [@simster](#): > > And one more time - just because you have yet to ansser it — > > WHO CREATED THE EVIL ONE??? Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. A better question is…who feeds him? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/620 "2016-03-13T01:50:55Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. A better question is…who feeds him? If whoever created him hadn’t, there would be nothing to feed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=32)