# My Amazing Encounters with Jesus Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774 "2016-03-02T22:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/621 "2016-03-13T02:07:06Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. A better question is…who feeds him? Who drowned men, women, innocent little babies and innocent animals(puppies and kitties and little chickies and little ittty, bitty baby mice and oh so many millions of others) in a flood? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/622 "2016-03-13T02:12:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Spaghetti. processed spaghetti. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/623 "2016-03-13T02:14:37Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. . . . So evil existed before the fall of Adam. Thus, all the preaching that declares that Adam caused the entrance of evil into the world is completely wrong. Lucifer’s fall brought evil into the world. Adam and Eve were only victims of pre-existing evil. Have you run this past a priest yet? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/624 "2016-03-13T02:22:15Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. A better question is…who feeds him? McDonald’s ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/625 "2016-03-13T02:30:19Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God wants people saved. If you speak out against Him or His Son’s Redemptive work of salvation you are being evil. You are literally doing the work of the Evil One. God is omnipotent, right? He can do anything? So if God wanted everyone to be saved, then everybody would be saved. God simply has to make that choice. Especially because God was the one who originally condemned everyone to damnation. So if God only saves people who worship him, then God made a choice. God decided that having people worship him is more important than having people saved. God decided not to save the people who don’t worship him even though he could save those people. God could just say _“Everyone gets into heaven. It doesn’t matter what you do, I forgive everything. Now I’d like it if you worshiped me but it’s not a requirement. I’m letting you into heaven whether you worship me or not.”_ He is God after all. Nobody can tell him he can’t let everyone into heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/626 "2016-03-13T02:36:37Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > That was merely a confessed error on my part. I did read a little of it, but not enough. You have now contradicted yourself. Here’s another bit of advice for you regarding online message boards: people can see what you’ve written; the words are still there. > [@](#): > > More importantly, where is your proof that I have written something contrary to scripture or Catholic Theology? You have made the claim. Now, let’s see it. Let’s go with your OP and what you described as God the Father giving you personal revelation. How does that square with actual Roman Catholic doctrine, tradition, and practice? And, like some other posters, I’ll ask you again: Have you run any of your “religious ideas” past an actual Roman Catholic priest, one who does know about Roman Catholic doctrine, tradition, and practice? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/627 "2016-03-13T02:46:47Z")
Note: I’m not talking about “prompting of the Holy Spirit”. I’m talking about what you explicitly described in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/628 "2016-03-13T02:48:13Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. A better question is…who feeds him? Who created/allowed freewill ? Better yet, shouldn’t your all knowing, all seeing God have known all this was going to happen and perhaps did something to prevent it? human sacrifice to pay for it after the fact is not the sign of a loving, caring god. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/629 "2016-03-13T02:54:45Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Who created/allowed freewill ? There are those as view “free will” as created by the church. As real as the transmogrification of the eucharist. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/630 "2016-03-13T03:16:14Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There are those as view “free will” as created by the church. As real as the transmogrification of the eucharist. sure - but remember - where in the presence of someone very special - his knowledge transcends the church - so, I’d like his response. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/631 "2016-03-13T03:43:16Z")
> [@simster](#): > > sure - but remember - where in the presence of someone very special - his knowledge transcends the church - so, I’d like his response. Good point. That’s another bit from him that contradicts RCC doctrine, tradition, and practice. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/632 "2016-03-13T04:17:10Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Yet, they fail to explain all these [eye witness accounts of orbs.](http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/White-Ball-Of-Light) It is funny that no one who has actually seen one agrees with you. You agree with those who are ignorant of orbs. And just why is it that thousands of people all over the internet call these spiritual orbs…spirit orbs, angel orbs, and ghost orbs? This is because they are a real living spiritual entity! Looks like you still fail at reading the links you provide. See this part at the bottom? > [@](#): > > Do aliens (or beings of visible light) exist? I’m sure it’s possible, but I’m not sure that that’s what I saw. An alien probe? Maybe, but then again, that’s just speculation. Have you seen the white balls of light? Let me know your story so that I might understand mine better. So he thought he saw an alien. He doesn’t seem to think he encountered Jesus, angels, ghosts, spirits, or whatever you’re basing your faith on. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/633 "2016-03-13T04:46:10Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Looks like you still fail at reading the links you provide. See this part at the bottom? > > So he thought he saw an alien. He doesn’t seem to think he encountered Jesus, angels, ghosts, spirits, or whatever you’re basing your faith on. Look, \*\*ScottRP \*\*admits that people wrongly attribute the orbs to god - > [@ScottRP](#): > > God is present throughout earth through His Holy Spirit. Pictures are being taken of His Spirit and some of His works. **People are erroneously calling Him and His works spirit orbs, angel orbs, and ghost orbs.** This is the real Holy Spirit in the world today. Look into it for yourself. - bolding mine - So, I’m not sure which it is anymore (and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t either) ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/634 "2016-03-13T06:24:58Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. A better question is…who feeds him? **1. Perfect omniscience makes God perfectly responsible** Since the Catholic God is defined omniscient, his knowledge covers all events in space and time. If one is to believe this, then one must accept the idea that God was aware of Lucifer’s deeds the moment he created Lucifer. God is the only one responsible for the existence of the Evil One because in the light of what he knew (i.e. everything) he could have chosen not to. **2. Christianity is disguised Manichaeism** If both God and the Evil One make use of superhuman abilities independently to pursue their own distinct goals, then they are both divine entities, i.e. gods. Even if one accepted the idea that God’s powers were to superior to the Evil One’s, that would only establish precedence - it would not refute the divine nature of the Evil One, which makes him a god and Christianity a disguised Manichaeism. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/635 "2016-03-13T17:16:56Z")
> [@PlaceboTarget](#): > > **2. Christianity is disguised Manichaeism** > If both God and the Evil One make use of superhuman abilities independently to pursue their own distinct goals, then they are both divine entities, i.e. gods. Even if one accepted the idea that God’s powers were to superior to the Evil One’s, that would only establish precedence - it would not refute the divine nature of the Evil One, which makes him a god and Christianity a disguised Manichaeism. Alternately, you could argue that Lucifer is just using the powers he was endowed with by God. God would still be the sole deity because he would be the sole source of divine power. The problem many Christians are going to have with this theory is that it means that it’s God’s power that’s being used to promote evil. And God, as you noted, would have known his power was going to be used for this purpose when he gave that power to Lucifer. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/636 "2016-03-13T18:12:39Z")
> [@](#): > > And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. > > Genesis 2:9 How can we have good if there is no evil, or do we live in a world of neutral grey, like the beasts of the field? Interesting question … God created everything so indeed God created evil, and I have no idea if that conforms to the teachings of the RCC. ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/637 "2016-03-13T18:18:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Alternately, you could argue that Lucifer is just using the powers he was endowed with by God. God would still be the sole deity because **he would be the sole source of divine power**. The blue fragment that I have bolded in your post is ambiguous and allows for misinterpretations, in my opinion. I stick to my claim but I do not want to engage in a debate on this issue (at least not yet) because I’m curious to see what **ScottRP** has to say. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/638 "2016-03-13T18:18:47Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Lucifer was created a good angel. He, of his own free will turned evil. A better question is…who feeds him? God. God feeds him. He feeds him the souls of the very people he claims to love and wants to save from his own creations. And religion encourages an ever growing supply of willing fodder for the gods’ appetites. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/639 "2016-03-13T20:45:12Z")
> [@simster](#): > > If god wants people saved, maybe he could send a saviour to die in some horrible manner as some kind or sacrifice or something - if only that would happen. > > Oh, wait - – > > Actaully - if GOD wanted people to be saved, all he would have to do is wave his little hand and say “you’re saved” - he wouldnt do all this other shit. It is a [big-headed fool](http://i.imgur.com/1aJOQhS.jpg) who believes that they are something and their Creator is nothing. Psalm 14:1. The fool has said in his heart, “_There is_ no God.” ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/640 "2016-03-13T20:49:10Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > So evil existed before the fall of Adam. Thus, all the preaching that declares that Adam caused the entrance of evil into the world is completely wrong. Lucifer’s fall brought evil into the world. Adam and Eve were only victims of pre-existing evil. > > Have you run this past a priest yet? Although Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, It was Lucifer that brought evil into this world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=33)