# My apologies to Sweet Willy and MEBuckner **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 9, 2002, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652 "2002-04-09T12:48:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/1 "2002-04-09T12:48:39Z")
[sub] Mods, I don’t know if this really belongs in the Pit (considering it is very un Pit-ish). If it doesn’t, please feel free to move it along. [/sub] On [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=108310&perpage=50&pagenumber=4) page of the [I want to be a Jew](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=108310&perpage=50&pagenumber=1) thread, I issued a personal insult to **Sweet Willy**. It was wrong for two reasons: [list=1] [li]The moderator, **MEBuckner** , had asked repeatedly that no personal insults be used in the forum. Unfortunately, I let my emotions get the better of me and I issued one anyway.[/li][li]I, in fact, asked **Sweet Willy** not to issue personal insults. I then, in my anger, turned around and used one myself. [/li][/list=1] While I still disagree with just about everything that **Sweet Willy** said in the above referenced thread, I do want to apologize to him for the personal insult issued. I also want to apologize to **MEBuckner** for momentarily forgetting the moderator’s instructions. You gentlemen have my sincerest apologies. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/2 "2002-04-09T13:01:26Z")
No problem **Zev Steinhardt**. Sorry I called you a putz. I just felt it was relative to the debate since we have a yiddish insult available 24/7 provided by the SDMB. Sorry anyway. ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/3 "2002-04-09T13:11:10Z")
Nice apology, zev. Nice “apology”, Willy. ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/4 "2002-04-09T13:29:34Z")
**Andygirl,** **Zev Steinhardt** offers up some reasons for insulting me. Could I be allowed the same without your condescension? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/5 "2002-04-09T13:31:42Z")
**Zev** , you’re a gentleman. **Sweet Willy** , you’re a fucking dick. ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/6 "2002-04-09T13:42:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sweet Willy \* > \*\* I just felt it was relative to the debate since we have a yiddish insult available 24/7 provided by the SDMB. \*\* No, you can’t, as that part deserves as much condescention as it can possibly acquire and then some. You’ll doubtlessly consider it part of the racist Jewish conspiracy anyway, so why let my opinion faze you at all? ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/7 "2002-04-09T13:59:39Z")
You see, **Zev Steinhardt,** wanted to know how Jewish tradition affects gentiles. A yiddish insult meant to fly over the head of us gentiles is a good example. It is further relevant due to the notorious availability and acceptability of the insult on this board. My point being that it was not as much of a personal attack but a way of driving home the answer to his question. **Zev Steinhardt** , did take this as a personal insult and I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/8 "2002-04-09T14:06:35Z")
Perhaps you can now explain how you thought it was “relevant” to call him “a waste of keystrokes” - the insult that got your thread closed. I don’t see an apology for that one. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/9 "2002-04-09T14:08:27Z")
Willy: a lot of things probably fly over your “gentile” head…:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/10 "2002-04-09T14:25:08Z")
**vanilla**. You misspelled “genital”. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/11 "2002-04-09T14:27:57Z")
😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wisest\_Novel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wisest_novel/32/13329_2.png) [@Wisest\_Novel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wisest_Novel)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/12 "2002-04-09T14:29:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\ ***Zev** , you’re a gentleman. > > **Sweet Willy** , you’re a fucking dick. \*\* Without commenting on the relative appropriateness of either of these claims, I just wanted to say that sometimes eloquence is found in brevity. This was such a time, **jjimm**. ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/13 "2002-04-09T14:31:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sweet Willy \* > \*\*You see, **Zev Steinhardt,** wanted to know how Jewish tradition affects gentiles. A yiddish insult meant to fly over the head of us gentiles is a good example. It is further relevant due to the notorious availability and acceptability of the insult on this board. My point being that it was not as much of a personal attack but a way of driving home the answer to his question. **Zev Steinhardt** , did take this as a personal insult and I apologize. \*\* 1. Oh, I see. Putz is one of those insults that is from a ghettoized bubble- nobody knows what it means outside of those persnickety Jews, and damned if they aren’t flaunting it in our faces… It has not been co-opeted by a American culture and society at large. Goys don’t use it on a regular basis. It’s not like every other word that the English language has claimed as its own and removed from cultural context. 'Cause it’s Jewish. 2. The Putz smiley is actually called “wally.” Wally being a very dear poster who passed away a few years ago who very often called people putzes. It’s in his honor and memory. Good lord, you’re a schvitzing schlumper. ---
**Author:** ![ChoosyChipsAndCeilingWhacks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c77e96/32.png) [@ChoosyChipsAndCeilingWhacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChoosyChipsAndCeilingWhacks)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/14 "2002-04-09T14:31:56Z")
I should apologize too, for using personal attacks and non-debate-worthy commentary in G.D. It was completely cranky and un-cool of me. Thanks to Zev for setting a good example. L ---
**Author:** ![Soul\_Brother\_Number\_Two](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soul_brother_number_two/32/3515_2.png) [@Soul\_Brother\_Number\_Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soul_Brother_Number_Two)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/15 "2002-04-09T16:28:28Z")
sweetwilly, how can we miss you if you wont go away? ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/16 "2002-04-09T16:30:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Sweet Willy** > > Many people here have confessed to being athiest [sic] Jews. > Attention Athiest Jews: You do not exist. Stop posting here. Whoa, [flashback](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90631)! ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/17 "2002-04-09T17:10:53Z")
Flashback indeed, **LaurAnge**. **portajon** (see page 2 of the linked thread) had the same arguments and also liked to post the the occasional dictionary definition. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/18 "2002-04-09T17:39:51Z")
So if **Willy** was warned not to insult in GD, and then he insults anyway - enough so that the thread gets closed - why, exactly, is he still posting here? I think the mods are going soft on us. ☹ Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/19 "2002-04-09T17:46:28Z")
Well, **Esprix** , if they banned Sour Dick…oops! I mean **Sweet Willy** …for that, then they’d have to ban **Zev** , too, wouldn’t they? Don’t worry— at this rate, **SW** will get himself 86’ed soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2002, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652/20 "2002-04-09T17:46:40Z")
**minty green** , I agree with you factually, but I don’t want it said that I’m insinuating that **Willy** ’s a sock. I don’t believe he is. It just scary that more than one person holds these views. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apologies-to-sweet-willy-and-mebuckner/102652.md?page=2)