# My apology... \[and another effort to use a video to promote CT beliefs regarding the WTC collapse\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 29, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982 "2012-08-29T00:28:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/1 "2012-08-29T00:28:36Z")
I do apologize for not following the rules on my earlier post. I will pose to the board that this documentary contains indisputable evidence of governmental complicity in 9/11 and that by such involvement portions of our government are guilty of treason, murder and the _genocide_ of millions of American, Afghan, Iraqi and other middle eastern citizens. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible for me alone to present all of this evidence in written form over a discussion board. People want evidence that is indisputable. I have attempted to present that evidence here in such a manner as to invoke real discussion and not a free for all… I don’t claim to have all the answers but challenge me on the information presented… chappy [http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138](http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138) ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/2 "2012-08-29T00:30:54Z")
Well, I’m an American and I seem to still be alive, so their genocidal efforts on this end seem to be kinda weak sauce. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/3 "2012-08-29T00:34:17Z")
No, I’m not going to watch a truther video. That crap has been debunked here multiple times. ---
**Author:** ![kp\_72110](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@kp\_72110](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kp_72110)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/4 "2012-08-29T00:45:38Z")
So anyway, Chappy, have you ever seen a grown man naked? Ever been in a Turkish prison? Ever lived in a real dictatorship where they would actually torture and kill you and your family for speaking such atrocities? No? Didn’t think so. But anyway, hell sometimes ya just gotta thin the herd. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/5 "2012-08-29T00:52:44Z")
Okay. Now I’m certain that you do not know what people mean when they say things like “evidence” or “presenting information.” No, I’m not wasting an hour of my life to watch a video. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/6 "2012-08-29T00:53:00Z")
chappy, from the few of your threads I’ve participated in, you pay no attention to contrary evidence and arguments and make no attempt to explain anything or answer questions. I have no interest in playing that game here and I don’t think too many other intelligent dopers are going to want to do it either. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/7 "2012-08-29T01:00:56Z")
Great. Now how about an apology for constantly ignoring every question that’s asked of you? ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/8 "2012-08-29T01:07:57Z")
chappy ignore those cynics. please file more lawsuits against the fed, but this time name me as the main benficiary. I’ll represent he people. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/9 "2012-08-29T01:12:36Z")
I watched the first few minutes but the stupidity was too strong. “It LOOKS like a controlled demolition so it had to BE a controlled demolition.” :rolleyes: The collapse of both World Trade Centers began with structural failures on the floors where the planes hit. How did the conspirators know to detonate demolition charges in precisely those locations? How did the charges remain functional in the middle of the jet fuel inferno on those floors? The idea that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition is utterly laughable, and it’s dismaying that Colorado Public Television would air such garbage. ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/10 "2012-08-29T01:54:08Z")
In a few weeks when everyone finds out through the government media they seem to trust over everything else, most Americans will be demanding more information. All I tried to do was share it before hand. It seems everyone has forgotten the old adage _Don’t Judge a Book by it’s Cover_. Why are we capable of putting men on the moon and precisely landing a tiny probe on a planet millions of miles away and yet our government isn’t capable of pulling something like this of and _covering it up_? They lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, The Maine incident and countless other false flag incidents throughout history and yet are incapable of doing so in this case? These are symptoms of cognitive dissonance are they not? Look at the complete documentary, _then_ challenge me on the contents. Anyone with a computer can make snide remarks about something they have limited knowledge about. It’s a fact that if you haven’t seen it, you don’t know what it presents. This is not an old video being recycled. Seems only those with a nose for the truth are willing to sacrifice their time in search of it. The reason others don’t is either fear or indifference. Are the readers of this thread fearful or just indifferent? Does anyone care to have a legitimate discussion surrounding the facts or would you prefer discussing how idiotic conspiracy theorists are? chappy ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/11 "2012-08-29T01:56:06Z")
If you want a debate, argue against what **The Hamster King** said. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/12 "2012-08-29T01:56:56Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > I do apologize for not following the rules on my earlier post. I will pose to the board that this documentary contains indisputable evidence of governmental complicity in 9/11 and that by such involvement portions of our government are guilty of treason, murder and the _genocide_ of millions of American, Afghan, Iraqi and other middle eastern citizens. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible for me alone to present all of this evidence in written form over a discussion board. People want evidence that is indisputable. I have attempted to present that evidence here in such a manner as to invoke real discussion and not a free for all… > > I don’t claim to have all the answers but challenge me on the information presented… > > chappy > > [http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138](http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138) Tell me the most convincing piece of evidence on that video and how many minutes in I can find it, and I will take a looksee, o.k.? But you no talk-me no watch. Understood? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/13 "2012-08-29T01:59:38Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > In a few weeks when everyone finds out through the government media they seem to trust over everything else, most Americans will be demanding more information. All I tried to do was share it before hand. It seems everyone has forgotten the old adage _Don’t Judge a Book by it’s Cover_. Why are we capable of putting men on the moon and precisely landing a tiny probe on a planet millions of miles away and yet our government isn’t capable of pulling something like this of and _covering it up_? They lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, The Maine incident and countless other false flag incidents throughout history and yet are incapable of doing so in this case? > These are symptoms of cognitive dissonance are they not? Look at the complete documentary, _then_ challenge me on the contents. Anyone with a computer can make snide remarks about something they have limited knowledge about. It’s a fact that if you haven’t seen it, you don’t know what it presents. This is not an old video being recycled. Seems only those with a nose for the truth are willing to sacrifice their time in search of it. The reason others don’t is either fear or indifference. Are the readers of this thread fearful or just indifferent? Does anyone care to have a legitimate discussion surrounding the facts or would you prefer discussing how idiotic conspiracy theorists are? > > chappy Do you understand the difference between covering up the possible and covering up the _im_possible? _First_ you show us that the premise is possible, _then_ you claim a coverup. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/14 "2012-08-29T02:08:13Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Does anyone care to have a legitimate discussion surrounding the facts or would you prefer discussing how idiotic conspiracy theorists are? > > chappy A quick check of 9/11 threads that have appeared on this board in the past should make it very clear that we are all in on the conspiracy. We’re sorry you missed your opportunity to get paid to cover up the truth but it really was first come first served. Perhaps next time around you’ll be lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/15 "2012-08-29T02:13:29Z")
Did they lie about the Maine? I thought they simply leaped to the conclusion that it was sunk by a mine. Was there an actual Maine cover-up? ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/16 "2012-08-29T02:20:28Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > The idea that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition is utterly laughable, and it’s dismaying that Colorado Public Television would air such garbage. Apparently they have a documentary about Crop Circles next week. PBS around here doesn’t air that kind of stuff. Is there just some CT-obssessed programming director at that particular Colorado station? Or is this a growing trend at PBS that I’ve been unaware of. In anycase, kind of ironic to claim that the gov’t is covering up stuff when a gov’t sponsored TV station is airing documentaries about it. But I guess that’s just part of the larger conspiracy. > [@Trinopus](#): > > Did they lie about the Maine? I thought they simply leaped to the conclusion that it was sunk by a mine. Was there an actual Maine cover-up? Weirdly, I don’t remember. Ah well, to hell with it. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/17 "2012-08-29T02:28:44Z")
I’m not with Chappy but I do have an honest question. I watched one of these ‘truther’ videos a couple of years ago out of sheer boredom. On one of the videos, it clearly showed a small explosion on one of the lower floors. If I had to guess, I’d say it was around floor 10. (give or take) What the heck was that all about? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/18 "2012-08-29T02:32:15Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Why are we capable of putting men on the moon and precisely landing a tiny probe on a planet millions of miles away and yet our government isn’t capable of pulling something like this of and _covering it up_? Are they capable of covering up the moon landing and the successful landing of the Curiosity Rover? I guess it’s a little late to be asking about that. ---
**Author:** ![black\_aspirin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@black\_aspirin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_aspirin)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/19 "2012-08-29T02:49:03Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > I do apologize for not following the rules on my earlier post. I will pose to the board that this documentary contains indisputable evidence of governmental complicity in 9/11 and that by such involvement portions of our government are guilty of treason, murder and the _genocide_ of millions of American, Afghan, Iraqi and other middle eastern citizens. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible for me alone to present all of this evidence in written form over a discussion board. People want evidence that is indisputable. I have attempted to present that evidence here in such a manner as to invoke real discussion and not a free for all… > > I don’t claim to have all the answers but challenge me on the information presented… > > chappy > > [http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138](http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138) Cool, so it’s too difficult for you to articulate any particular damning point, so you just link us to an hour-and-a-half video, expect us to watch it all…and then challenge you on it? You’ve already appealed to a video by AE911Truth, which is an incredibly fraudulent, transparent organization…who are using the idea of a ‘petition’ in place of scientific papers introduced to peer-reviewed journals, and can’t even keep their own story straight for more than a few minutes…do you really understand what their argument is, other than, ‘9/11 was some sort of inside job, even if our theory contradicts itself’? Let’s hear you articulate this in your own words, showing that you actually understand what you’re talking about, instead of just linking people to a long video that is supposed to overwhelm them with nonsense. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982/20 "2012-08-29T02:51:05Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > I’m not with Chappy but I do have an honest question. > > I watched one of these ‘truther’ videos a couple of years ago out of sheer boredom. > > On one of the videos, it clearly showed a small explosion on one of the lower floors. If I had to guess, I’d say it was around floor 10. (give or take) > > What the heck was that all about? Chappy, I will be happy to watch a couple of minutes of the video, but unless you are paying me at my billing rate ($110/hr) there is no way in hell I am watching an hour and a half of that crap. **Shakes** I suspect it has to do with the air inside the building being compressed as the building collapses, the pressure builds and blows the windows out. Depending on what is going on with an elevator shaft, it could easily act as a conduit for air movement. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-apology-and-another-effort-to-use-a-video-to-promote-ct-beliefs-regarding-the-wtc-collapse/632982.md?page=2)