# My boycott against Ireland **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497 "2003-04-27T15:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rigel\_Haloran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df705f/32.png) [@Rigel\_Haloran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigel_Haloran)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/21 "2003-04-28T04:16:30Z")
detop, Irish, Scottish, What’s the difference? \ ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/22 "2003-04-28T09:25:17Z")
I once stood next to Bertie Ahern at the bar of his local with some illegal substances coursing through my brain. It was quite a thrill, until the “he’s looking at me with googly eyes” paranoia kicked in. However, I haven’t yet observed our Taoiseach in the act of urination, a privilege I believe **Twisty** has had. It’s not every day you get the chance to see a world leader’s penis (well, not since Clinton left office, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/23 "2003-04-28T09:29:58Z")
L\_C, Bertie is a Northsider like me, although his accent is a bit more oldschool than mine. jjimm, I didn’t actually look. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/24 "2003-04-28T10:57:59Z")
Thankyou **bryanmaguire** and **Twisty** , Dublin 9 it is. ---
**Author:** ![elfje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@elfje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfje)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/25 "2003-04-28T10:58:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bryanmaguire \* > \*\*No, he’s from drumcondra. \*\* yup, I live there, too. We call it Bertieland. His locals are Fagan’s and on occasion, The Beaumont House (yep, I used to live in Beaumont). Never ran into him though. But if I do, I promise it’ll be hard 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/26 "2003-04-28T11:02:42Z")
You’re less than 5 minutes from me Elfje. I live closer to The Goblet than the BH, but am known to frequest both. And Fagan’s on occasion. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/27 "2003-04-28T11:03:41Z")
So **L\_C** thought a middle class Northside accent was a working class Southside accent… Sounds about right. :d&r: BTW **elfje** , a few of us live near Drumcondra - give us a shout if you’re ever up for a pint. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/28 "2003-04-28T11:24:54Z")
Now mind yourself with those Arabian splinters, **jjimm** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/29 "2003-04-28T11:41:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > \*\*Now mind yourself with those Arabian splinters, **jjimm** 😉 \*\* What, a strapping lad like me? ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/30 "2003-04-28T11:47:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by everton \* > \*\*And there was me thinking this was going to be about the origin of the word “boycott”. \*\* Geoff? ---
**Author:** ![everton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@everton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/everton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/31 "2003-04-28T12:14:07Z")
Creekkkitt bore and proven girlfriend-beater as he is, Fitzwilliam’s least fine son is certainly worth ostracising. The actual story concerned an absentee landlord’s agent in Ireland who refused to reduce rents to a realistic level and was isolated to get leverage against the policy. [Here’s](http://www.bartleby.com/61/50/B0435000.html) Bartleby’s version of it. ---
**Author:** ![elfje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@elfje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfje)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/32 "2003-04-28T12:20:00Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Rigel Haloran \* \*\*detop, Irish, Scottish, What’s the difference? Scots are from Irish descent 🙂 not the other way around, as a lot of people think. Both oppressed by the same nation, so yes, it creates a bond ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/33 "2003-04-28T12:40:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elfje \* > Both oppressed by the same nation, so yes, it creates a bond Braveheart (work of fiction that it is) is a great example of this. In the scene were the Irish are running at the Scots the whole Dublin cinema I saw it in was silent. There was real unease at this scene, it was just wrong. When the Irish and Scots stopped and greeted each other in the middle and became one force against the English the cinema went insane and I mean insane. There were people coming out of the cinema wanting to march on the border then and there. Ahhhhh good times indeed. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/34 "2003-04-28T12:48:38Z")
Hmm… seems that the Scots were very forgiving of when the Irish invaded _them_. 1,000 years of oppression and all that… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/35 "2003-04-28T12:55:05Z")
And lets not talk about the plantations 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/36 "2003-04-28T12:57:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elfje \* > \*\*Both oppressed by the same nation, so yes, it creates a bond \*\* Erm, to be honest the scots were more oppressed by themselves than anyone else, although we are rather good at ignoring the whole lowland v highland confrontation and blaming it all on the English. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/37 "2003-04-28T13:11:03Z")
‘Divide and rule’, **Gary** , the unspoken motto of the British Empire. Anyway, I rather thought it was that the working classes _everywhere_ were opressed by the landed classes … but then I thought the Iraqi war wasn’t about liberation, so there you go … ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/38 "2003-04-28T13:16:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > **’Divide and rule’, Gary, the unspoken motto of the British Empire.** Perhaps true, but I must point out that the scots had been succesfully dividing and ruling themselves (with claymores) for a long time before England got in on the act. As a nation we’re awfully good at starting fights and holding grudges - I still know people who won’t shake hands with a Campbell, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/39 "2003-04-28T13:31:05Z")
I’d love to join you in your boycott. I don’t drink, Airman took the Bushmill’s with him, and the only beer we’ve got is Yuengling, so I have nothing to worry about, really. I’d have to get rid of the picture of Aaron pasted on a shamrock from St. Patrick’s Day. Heck, I’d have to get rid of both Airman and Aaron entirely, because they’re both Irish. Eh, forget it. I’d rather boycott the French by not drinking French wine and not eating French cheese (which I can’t get anyway). Robin ---
**Author:** ![elfje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@elfje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfje)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497/40 "2003-04-28T14:51:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\*Hmm… seems that the Scots were very forgiving of when the Irish invaded _them_. 1,000 years of oppression and all that… 😉 \*\* The Scots as such are ALL from Irish descent, that’s why they were called Scots. The only other group living in Sctoland at the time, were the Picts (you know, the scare guys that the Romans could never conquer, the ones with all the blue tattoos) have a read: "The Irish Kingdom of Scotland **The terms Scotia and Scot were first applied to Ireland and Irishmen, but later came to be applied to Irelands northeastern neighbour, Alba and its inhabitants.** Our most ancient poets and seanachies claim that an early name for Eirinn, Scotia, was derived from Scota, queen-mother of the Milesians. The poet Egesippus tells how “Scotia which links itself to no land, trembles at their name” - the term Scotia is, by Continental writers, applied to Ireland more often than any other name. **And Scot is the term by these writers most constantly applied to a native of Eirinn.** Orosius, the third century geographer, uses “Hibernia the nation of the Scoti”. An Irish exile on the continent, the celebrated Marianus Scotus referred to his countrymen as Scots. The modern name of Ireland seems to have originated with the Northmen, in about the seventh century - being probably formed from Eire, they called it Ir or Ire, and after that the English called it Ireland, and its natives Irish. For several centuries longer, however, these terms were not adopted by Continental writers, who still continued to speak of Scotia and the Scot, and designated the Irish scholars on the Continent by the term Scotus. The new name Ireland was on the Continent, first used only in the eleventh century (by Adam De Breme). \*\*To Alba (the present Scotland) was transferred the term Scotia, and to its people the term Scot, because the Scoti of Hibernia, having again and again colonised there, \*\*built in it a strong kingdom, which gave the Scotic (Irish) people dominance there, and soon made the Scotic kings the kings of the whole country. The Picts naturally jealous of these usurpers on their soil, continued exerting the utmost pressure upon them, in the hope of crushing them out, till Niall of the Nine Hostages, going to their assistance with an army, \*\*overcame and drove back the Picts, establishing the Scotic kingdom in Alba \*\* on a solid foundation, and, it is said, got the submission of the Picts and the tribute of all Alba. Now that the Scotic people got complete dominance over all or the main part of the country, it began to be called Scotia - at first Scotia Minor, in contradistinction to Eire, which was called Scotia Major - but gradually the title Scotia fell away from Eire, and solely came to signify Alba. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-boycott-against-ireland/171497.md?page=3)