# My brother-in-law is trying to kill himself with the power of prayer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369 "2008-12-02T17:57:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/181 "2008-12-05T16:01:33Z")
While I don’t wish pancreatic cancer on **kanicbird** , I am amazed (if he is truly honest about this and not just putting us on) that an adult could believe this nonsense. Present your request at the Throne of Grace? Are you fucking serious? Where might that be? Berghdorf’s? Grand Central Station? Atlantis? Or in your pointy little head? On the other hand if he is treating this all as allegorical or symbolic or whatever, then why the retarded imagery? It’s utterly ridiculous storytelling and it seems he’s only presenting it as some high-and-mighty pseudo troll. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/182 "2008-12-05T16:02:14Z")
That is one petty miserable little fucked up god you have there. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/183 "2008-12-05T16:04:35Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > So, if you have diabetes, and you’re experiencing symptoms, you _should_ do what the doctor says, and take the medicine the doctor gives you? > And, also, pray. > > Then what the heck were you saying earlier? I was stating my experience with God curing me. How it worked for me, and what I believe was the most critical factor - the motivation of the heart. I was also stating don’t just jump off life saving medications in faith. I was stating that there is a God that may cure him, but also stating that he should look at his approach in coming to God and reconsider the motivation behind it. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/184 "2008-12-05T16:05:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This has what to do with taking medication now? I was not trying to address the medication issue, but the cure through prayer issue. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/185 "2008-12-05T16:09:05Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > I really hope you get the chance to personally test your theories with a real, life-threatening disease someday. With, say, AIDS, or pancreatic cancer, or something of that sort. It would be God giving you the chance to prove us heathens wrong! > > Meaning you’re an asshole and a fuckwit and I hope you suffer tremendously with it, and someday, as life slips away from you, you realize how terribly wrong you were, and your last thoughts on earth are of absolute dispair. Jackass. I rebuke your curse in the name of Lord Jesus and his authority. On the basis of Deuteronomy 23:5 In the name of Jesus that curse is transformed into a blessing. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/186 "2008-12-05T16:15:48Z")
Cool. Now pull a rabbit out of your ass. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/187 "2008-12-05T16:16:59Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > While I don’t wish pancreatic cancer on **kanicbird** , I am amazed (if he is truly honest about this and not just putting us on) that an adult could believe this nonsense. > > Present your request at the Throne of Grace? Are you fucking serious? Where might that be? Berghdorf’s? Grand Central Station? Atlantis? Or in your pointy little head? The Throne of Grace is made available through Jesus who lives in His people. To us it is available any time any place. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/188 "2008-12-05T16:22:38Z")
We need a Solomonic mod who can cut this thread in half, send the witnessing to **GD** , and keep the Pitting here. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/189 "2008-12-05T16:24:19Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I was not trying to address the medication issue, but the cure through prayer issue. I see. If this was a scientific study I guess the medication would be a confound, since if somebody is pure of heart but takes his meds just to be safe, we wouldn’t know if he was cured by divine intervention or the medication that works on just about everybody regardless of their holiness. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/190 "2008-12-05T16:25:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I rebuke your curse in the name of Lord Jesus and his authority. On the basis of Deuteronomy 23:5 In the name of Jesus that curse is transformed into a blessing. You’re weird, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/191 "2008-12-05T16:25:47Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The Throne of Grace is made available through Jesus who lives in His people. To us it is available any time any place. Translation: Pray. Why paint this dopey picture? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/192 "2008-12-05T16:27:31Z")
I believe the gist is that bad things sometimes happen to good people and good things sometimes happen to bad people. Also, good things sometimes happen to good people and sometimes bad things happen to bad people. All of these are of course gods will. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/193 "2008-12-05T16:33:51Z")
All of that is actually just the shit that happens in the world. No deity needed. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/194 "2008-12-05T16:37:36Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > I really hope you get the chance to personally test your theories with a real, life-threatening disease someday. With, say, AIDS, or pancreatic cancer, or something of that sort. Easy, guys. Disagree with **kanicbird** all you want, but let’s hold off on hoping he dies. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/195 "2008-12-05T16:37:53Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > All of that is actually just the shit that happens in the world. No deity needed. That wasn’t my view of it, just my interpretation of what was being said upthread. (I actually meant a bit of sarcasm to point out exactly what you just said) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/196 "2008-12-05T16:38:18Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > You’re weird, sir. Marcy! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/197 "2008-12-05T16:38:57Z")
Yeah, I suppose I was tracking with you. I guess I just felt the superfluous need to drive the point home. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/198 "2008-12-05T16:39:21Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > We need a Solomonic mod who can cut this thread in half, send the witnessing to **GD** , and keep the Pitting here. I already started a thread about faith healing. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/199 "2008-12-05T16:43:06Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I was stating my experience with God curing me. How it worked for me, and what I believe was the most critical factor - the motivation of the heart. I was also stating don’t just jump off life saving medications in faith. I was stating that there is a God that may cure him, but also stating that he should look at his approach in coming to God and reconsider the motivation behind it. Okay, guys. Now that kanicbird has stated this, can you disagree with it? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369/200 "2008-12-05T16:43:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I already started a thread about faith healing. Your prayers have been answered, **kaylasdad99**! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-brother-in-law-is-trying-to-kill-himself-with-the-power-of-prayer/475369.md?page=11)