# My bullshit meter is pinging **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 7, 2005, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203 "2005-10-07T15:23:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/81 "2005-10-13T20:01:43Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > That puts it into Clinton years. What the hell does any of this have to do with Clinton? Let it fucking go already. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/82 "2005-10-13T20:06:08Z")
C’mon, you knew we’d get there eventually. The entire Republican platform hinges on one key talking point: _Six Degrees of Blaming Clinton._ I’m sure somewhere, there’s someone who can tell you how it’s all his fault Dubya was AWOL. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/83 "2005-10-13T20:17:21Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m sure somewhere, there’s someone who can tell you how it’s all his fault Dubya was AWOL. Didn’t you know it was Clinton that turned W. on to the blow? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/84 "2005-10-13T21:37:11Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > Didn’t you know it was Clinton that turned W. on to the blow? By which you are refering to cocaine, yes? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/85 "2005-10-13T21:43:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > By which you are refering to cocaine, yes? see, that’s talent. I kept trying to work “Monica/crack” into it and it just wouldn’t work. Succinct, to the point, well done, sir. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/86 "2005-10-13T22:08:30Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > I don’t go along on intelligence gathering missions to see what happens firsthand, so I can’t speak with certainty about anything. Others, apparently, have no such reservations. Humans are, by nature, pattern-seeking animals. If by now you haven’t detected an evident pattern of obvious lies and deceptions on the part of the current Administration, I am afraid you leave me with no choice but to hold a mirror up to your face when, _against all evidence to the contrary_, you spew forth crap such as: “You can continue to find comfort in the ideological blanket in which you seem to have wrapped your brain.” No point in arguing any further as you’re too far gone in the Cognitive Dissonance Scale. Mere words are of no help for someone with your advanced condition. However and in a bit of good news in all of this, it appears that the disease is treatable after all: > [@](#): > > [**Bush approval dips below 40 percen** t](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/) > > **NBC-WSJ poll shows only 28 percent believe U.S. headed in right direction** Seek help. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/87 "2005-10-13T22:22:57Z")
If we have more threads like this where we all just throw together loosely related issues then make sweeping assumptions and generalizations and then hug each other in agreement there won’t even be any need for discussion on this forum at all. We can just rename it the Democratic party HQ and ban all republicans from the forum because any and all things related to Bush are wrong and bad. Everything is a conspiracy, we’re losing every battle we fight over seas, Iraq is on the brink of turning in to Nazi Germany and spewing out legions of suicide bombers to conquer the world, and don’t forget Karl Rove secretly controls the world and is also presumed guilty until proven innocent. I really feel bad for moderates in this countyr, or rational people who ascribe to democratic ideals. They don’t really have much choice when it comes to elections, they can vote Republican (and perhaps compromise some of their political ideologies) or they can vote for the absolutely mentally insane lunatic left as represented by the the extreme leftists on this forum that are so far gone they forgot there was such a thing as a middle ground about five years ago. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/88 "2005-10-13T22:28:43Z")
Where the hell do you get off callling anyone insane when it was Bush who insisted we had to invade Iraq RIGHT NOW because they had big bad weapons of mass destruction and were an iminent threat to the United States? And then when the WMDs didn’t show up, the right wing insisted that they had been moved to Syria. Despite all evidence to the contrary. Don’t go throwing the term “insane” around–your side started a war based on delusions. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/89 "2005-10-13T22:43:33Z")
Okay, it isn’t my bullshit meter that’s pinging, it’s my irony meter that’s exploded. > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > … or they can vote for the absolutely mentally insane lunatic left as represented by the the extreme leftists on this forum that are so far gone they forgot there was such a thing as a middle ground about five years ago. Um, yeah. Everyone here is an “extreme leftist.” Sure. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/90 "2005-10-13T23:25:39Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > I really feel bad for moderates in this countyr, or rational people who ascribe to democratic ideals. They don’t really have much choice when it comes to elections, they can vote Republican (and perhaps compromise some of their political ideologies) or they can vote for the absolutely mentally insane lunatic left as represented by the the extreme leftists on this forum that are so far gone they forgot there was such a thing as a middle ground about five years ago. I hope you’re not talking about me, I think most politicians right _and_ left are morons. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/91 "2005-10-13T23:39:06Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > Y’all feeling “chilled”? Boy, I am. I’m chilled to the bone with this chilling information. They’re gonna chill us all. Don’t it say in the Bible “Thou shalt not chill”? Some nuke-u-lar heat ougtta fix their wagons… Of course it says that in the Bible, but that was just Jesus warning us about Hippies. Fuck, everyone hates Hippies. Even Jesus. > [@](#): > > What the hell does any of this have to do with Clinton? Let it fucking go already. > Reply With Quote Nothing, of course. But “the base” is stupid. As evinced by several posters in this thread. You were expecting something new? > [@Maureen](#): > > Um, yeah. Everyone here is an “extreme leftist.” Sure. Maureen, dear, you seem to have forgotten that if you’re not with “us” you’re against "us’. It’s almost (almost) funny that our friend **Martin** has come to whine about extreme ideologies when he evinces nothing but the most extreme ideology of all - “us or them”. Oh, and the reason I dropped into this fun thread in the first place - not following the path of the thread, but further [pegging out the bullshit meter](http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/13/D8D7EMNG0.html). At this point I’d like to point out that Bill Clinton got both a blowjob and a haircut, so obviously everyone is even… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/92 "2005-10-13T23:44:17Z")
Jesus wasn’t a hippy? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2005, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/93 "2005-10-13T23:49:14Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > It’s almost (almost) funny that our friend **Martin** has come to whine about extreme ideologies… **Martin** clearly needs a hug. Anyone up for it? In other bullshit pinging news: [Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051013/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq) > [@](#): > > It was billed as a conversation with U.S. troops, but the questions President Bush asked on a teleconference call Thursday were choreographed to match his goals for the war in Iraq and Saturday’s vote on a new Iraqi constitution. [Scotty denies it](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051013-2.html), but CNN has video of the dress rehearsals, and the audio is all over the airwaves. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/94 "2005-10-14T00:02:01Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Jesus wasn’t a hippy? Well, he was pretty “far out” in his college days. A guy who can turn water into wine is gonna be a pretty popular guy. Had kind of a foot-washing fetish, but, hey, what the heck, ya know? Got engaged to a Jewish-Aramaic Princess, took a degree in Pharisee Studies, made a comfortable living as a tax collector. It was Judas that got nailed. Jesus turned him in, felt kinda bad about it at the time, but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/95 "2005-10-14T00:13:16Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > …Iraq is on the brink of turning in to Nazi Germany and spewing out legions of suicide bombers to conquer the world… UHHHHHH isn’t that the Bush (admin, etc.) argument against “cutting and running”? Ya know gotta fight em over there, so we don’t gotta fight em here. ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/96 "2005-10-14T00:48:59Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > …Now your boy Bush claims God tells him what to do… I reckon this sort of claim by Bush makes him sound suspiciously psychotic. Should someone who formulates policy based on hallucinations of what God has told hime to do really be president of the US? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/97 "2005-10-14T01:18:45Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > or they can vote for the absolutely mentally insane lunatic left as represented by the the extreme leftists on this forum that are so far gone they forgot there was such a thing as a middle ground about five years ago. Gee. About 5 years you say? Just about when Bush was elected and the moderates were driven away? Not right wing enough. Not christian enough. Not patriotic enough. Not rich enough. We got saddled with Bush, Rove , Wolfowitz, Cheny, Frist, DeLay, Buchanan, and on the fringes we got Coulter, Limbaugh, Robertson, Hannity, etc. There was no room at the inn for moderates anymore, they got tossed aside. Loyalty oaths at political rallies. Freedom. Amurrica. Are ye wid us or agin us. Lies about WMD. Lies about yellow cake uranium. Lies about the whole war, which kept changing (shifting rationale for the Iraq War – it’s about Saddam’s WMD, or his ties to Al Qaeda, or promoting democracy, or bringing peace to the Middle East, or liberating women, or giving my Dad a nice birthday present). Note, Colin Powell eventually quit in disgust and called them all a nest of vipers. Sweetheart deals for ENRON and Halliburton. Using Schiavo to cater to religious wingnuts. GITMO. Abu Ghraib. Indefinite detention and torture. Swiftboaters. Phony terror levels. Tax breaks and bailouts for the rich and the corporations. Overhaul of bankruptcy laws for the non rich. Lousy response to Kartina. Where is Osama? Investigations into Frist, DeLay, Libby, Rove for breaking campaign finance laws, insider trading, and leaking sensitive information for political reasons. Gross cronyism, which now is spilling over into where it does not belong at all, at the employee level - it used to be limited to the top ranks _(Washington, DC – The National Park Service has started using a political loyalty test for picking all its top civil service positions, according to an agency directive released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). Under the new order, all mid-level managers and above must also be approved by a Bush administration political appointee. The October 11, 2005 order issued by NPS Director Fran Mainella requires that the selection criteria for all civil service management slots (Government Service grades or GS-13, 14 and 15) include the “ability to lead employees in achieving the …Secretary’s 4Cs and the President’s Management Agenda.”)_. [http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1211262](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1211262) Poll: Bush Presidency Judged Unsuccessful Poll Finds More People Say Bush’s Presidency Is Going to Be Judged As Unsuccessful in Long Run [http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1210762](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1210762) Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged - President Bush Teleconference With U.S. Troops Was Choreographed to Match His Goals for Iraq War [http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/051006/6torture.htm](http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/051006/6torture.htm) Senate rebuffs Bush on torture. Bush threatening to hold up the he White House has said President Bush would veto the defense-spending bill if the amendment were attached. Torture is what good Amuricans do these days? [http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts\_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA](http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA) The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level, Ridge now says. Ridge, who resigned Feb. 1, said Tuesday that he often disagreed with administration officials who wanted to elevate the threat level to orange, or “high” risk of terrorist attack, but was overruled. “More often than not we were the least inclined to raise it,” Ridge told reporters. "Sometimes we disagreed with the intelligence assessment. Sometimes we thought even if the intelligence was good, you don’t necessarily put the country on (alert). … There were times when some people were really aggressive about raising it, and we said, ‘For that?’ " The reason there is no middle ground is because your pet chimp pushed them put. Every objection was met with an attack from Bush, Cheney and Rove. Wanting to get rid of a gang of liars theives and cowards is what Moderates do. Given a choice between loony lefties and psycho righties, I know which way MY moderate vote goes. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/98 "2005-10-14T01:28:52Z")
I believe that \*\* Mr. Hyde\*\* is laboring under the delusion that Ann Coulter represents the “Moderate” view. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/99 "2005-10-14T01:56:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Long post snipped Sure, Steve-o, but you’re forgetting two important points. 1. You’re talking to a brick wall, except I suspect brick walls are better listeners 2. 9/11 changed everything you godless commie pinko librul -Joe, godless capitalist pinko librul ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203/100 "2005-10-14T01:59:34Z")
> [@wring](#): > > I believe that \*\* Mr. Hyde\*\* is laboring under the delusion that Ann Coulter represents the “Moderate” view. Nah, he’s just a dumbass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-bullshit-meter-is-pinging/325203.md?page=6)