# my dog just ate raw meat **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [September 25, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044 "2010-09-25T21:59:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/61 "2010-09-27T10:01:53Z")
> [@Grateful-UnDead](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > FWIW, Iams, Eukanuba, Innova etc. are Proctor and Gamble. Science Diet is Colgate Palmolive. Royal Canin and Nutro are Mars. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that all of the dry pet foods named above are manufactured in the same factory from the same ingredients, and then rebranded. Actually, the pet food recalls concerned mostly WET dog and cat foods, not dry. While some dry foods were recalled they were only a small minority of the items/brands affected (which did not, of course, make the owners of sick or dead pets feel any better). Menu Foods of Ontario, Canada was where most (but not all) of the contaminated food came from in North America, but it would be a mistake to assume all affected pet food came from one factory. It was a world-wide problem, and linked to contaminated batches of gluten derived from wheat, rice, and corn (most of the corn gluten going to South Africa, for instance) Menu Foods did (and still does) produce pet food products for something like 100 brands in North America. Eukanuba had Menu Foods of Ontario produce their wet dog food products, but the dry Eukanuba was manufactured separately, thus, only some of their brand was affected, not all of it. > [@](#): > > I also understand that these “premium” brands were all implicated in the pet poisoning scandal of a year or two ago in which they were shown to cause the death of thousands of dogs and cats through induced kidney and liver damage. As I pointed out, only some products were affected. It was by no means all product lines of these companies. > [@](#): > > This fatal damage was caused by Melamine having been added to the food in an effort to boost the apparent protein content of the food. Which was done by the gluten producers in China, not the pet food manufacturers, which is why melamine contamination was found in human food as well. > [@](#): > > When the scandal broke in the USA, these products apparently had their formulation changed. Yes. There was a recall and the factory switched to different suppliers. > [@](#): > > However, I saw a recent news report which stated that these Melamine contaminated products are still sold in places like Australia and New Zealand where they routinely kill dogs and cats. Yes - because the problem was by no means limited to North America. The contaminated gluten products were shipped to companies around the world. > [@](#): > > ``` > As an addendum to the above post, I have found the following link regarding a recall of Eukanuba pet foods in Australia. > > ``` > > [Eukanuba Food For Active Dogs and Puppies](http://www.eukanuba.com.au/en-AU/product-recall.html) > > Note that it says this pet food is manufactured in the USA; so why is it being recalled in Australia and not the USA? > > Also, I note that they are not explicitly stating why the food is being recalled. Is it due to the Melamine contamination that has been reported in Australia? > > If it is true that the “premium” brands are all really the same stuff, but rebranded, why is only Eukanuba being recalled? If the factory involved in the recall is actually in the USA then it’s not the same factory involved in the 2008 recall, which was located in Canada. Note that this recall is concerning DRY foods, as opposed to the WET foods in the melamine contamination. It’s not the same factory. As I also noted, Eukanuba has it’s own factory for dry food so it’s NOT taken out of some massive factory churning out food for dozens of companies and rebranding it, it’s a factory that produces food only for Eukanuba. Hence, other brands are not affected. As to why the food is being recalled - news reports in the US indicate that something went awry at the factory and bagged pet food was released for shipping and sale without being fully inspected as required by company rules. The concern is not melamine but _possible_ salmonella contamination. No illnesses have been reported as of early September, this is really being done as a precautionary measure and has nothing to do with melamine. By the way - the food was also recalled in the US ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/62 "2010-09-27T13:32:44Z")
I would assume that the problem of American pets getting fatter and having more problems like pancreatitis and diabetes is not necessarily from the _dog_ food. People who have fat dogs usually give them plenty of table scraps. It’s _possible_ to get a dog good and fat just on dog food, of course, but I’ve never personally known a fat dog who didn’t get that way from people food. And of course Americans eat too much and the wrong kind of people food, so that’s what the dogs get too. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/63 "2010-09-27T13:54:17Z")
> [@Grateful-UnDead](#): > > > [@sharding](#): > > > > Really? Do you order it online, or what? I’m almost positive I’ve seen Royal Canin in PetSmart around here. Definitely at [a number of](http://www.mudbay.us/) [better quality pet stores](http://www.wholepetshop.com/); I’m sure you must have similar stores around. > > > > FWIW, Iams, Eukanuba, Innova etc. are Proctor and Gamble. Science Diet is Colgate Palmolive. Royal Canin and Nutro are Mars. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that all of the dry pet foods named above are manufactured in the same factory from the same ingredients, and then rebranded. > > I also understand that these “premium” brands were all implicated in the pet poisoning scandal of a year or two ago in which they were shown to cause the death of thousands of dogs and cats through induced kidney and liver damage. Please provide a cite for the above assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/64 "2010-09-27T15:00:47Z")
Actually, the post I made just after that one covered some of points in question. ---
**Author:** ![Grateful-UnDead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ccd318/32.png) [@Grateful-UnDead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grateful-UnDead)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/65 "2010-09-27T23:37:59Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@Grateful-UnDead](#): > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that all of the dry pet foods named above are manufactured in the same factory from the same ingredients, and then rebranded. > > Actually, the pet food recalls concerned mostly WET dog and cat foods, not dry. While some dry foods were recalled they were only a small minority of the items/brands affected (which did not, of course, make the owners of sick or dead pets feel any better). > > Menu Foods of Ontario, Canada was where most (but not all) of the contaminated food came from in North America, but it would be a mistake to assume all affected pet food came from one factory. It was a world-wide problem, and linked to contaminated batches of gluten derived from wheat, rice, and corn (most of the corn gluten going to South Africa, for instance) Menu Foods did (and still does) produce pet food products for something like 100 brands in North America. > > Eukanuba had Menu Foods of Ontario produce their wet dog food products, but the dry Eukanuba was manufactured separately, thus, only some of their brand was affected, not all of it. > As I pointed out, only some products were affected. It was by no means all product lines of these companies. > Which was done by the gluten producers in China, not the pet food manufacturers, which is why melamine contamination was found in human food as well. > Yes. There was a recall and the factory switched to different suppliers. > Yes - because the problem was by no means limited to North America. The contaminated gluten products were shipped to companies around the world. > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > As an addendum to the above post, I have found the following link regarding a recall of Eukanuba pet foods in Australia. > > > > ``` > > > > [Eukanuba Food For Active Dogs and Puppies](http://www.eukanuba.com.au/en-AU/product-recall.html) > > > > Note that it says this pet food is manufactured in the USA; so why is it being recalled in Australia and not the USA? > > > > Also, I note that they are not explicitly stating why the food is being recalled. Is it due to the Melamine contamination that has been reported in Australia? > > > > If it is true that the “premium” brands are all really the same stuff, but rebranded, why is only Eukanuba being recalled? > > If the factory involved in the recall is actually in the USA then it’s not the same factory involved in the 2008 recall, which was located in Canada. > > Note that this recall is concerning DRY foods, as opposed to the WET foods in the melamine contamination. It’s not the same factory. As I also noted, Eukanuba has it’s own factory for dry food so it’s NOT taken out of some massive factory churning out food for dozens of companies and rebranding it, it’s a factory that produces food only for Eukanuba. Hence, other brands are not affected. > > As to why the food is being recalled - news reports in the US indicate that something went awry at the factory and bagged pet food was released for shipping and sale without being fully inspected as required by company rules. The concern is not melamine but _possible_ salmonella contamination. No illnesses have been reported as of early September, this is really being done as a precautionary measure and has nothing to do with melamine. > > By the way - the food was also recalled in the US Ahhh… Thank you for those clarifications. ---
**Author:** ![norinew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb9ed0/32.png) [@norinew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/norinew)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/66 "2010-09-28T02:28:57Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > I would assume that the problem of American pets getting fatter and having more problems like pancreatitis and diabetes is not necessarily from the _dog_ food. People who have fat dogs usually give them plenty of table scraps. It’s _possible_ to get a dog good and fat just on dog food, of course, but I’ve never personally known a fat dog who didn’t get that way from people food. And of course Americans eat too much and the wrong kind of people food, so that’s what the dogs get too. My MIL had a Miniature Dachshund, and often fed the dog leftovers. I tried to tell her that feeding a 10lb dog _one_ hot dog was like feeding a 100lb human _ten_ hot dogs. She never caught on. Poor dog died of liver disease. ☹ My cats (two of them) get the highly-digestible, mostly protein cat food. As for the dog who ate the burgers, in the OP? If it’s a one-time (or not-too-often) deal, it shouldn’t be a problem. Dog’s digestive systems are frequently very, very effective! ---
**Author:** ![BayouHazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BayouHazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayouHazard)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/67 "2010-09-28T02:40:49Z")
Um, dog should be fine, although expect him to fart copiously. I was told that because of the pH needed to digest raw vs kibble, if you are going to switch to a raw, bone-in diet (and the dogs need raw bones, it gives them minerals), you really need to fast them for 24 hours, so that their stomach acid content will be strong enough to dissolve the bones. This is ground boneless meat though, so, other than the farts, dog should be fine. If he does have any problems, plain cooked pumpkin’s great for doggy tummyaches. ---
**Author:** ![rhubarbarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eb9ed0/32.png) [@rhubarbarin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhubarbarin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/68 "2010-09-28T03:05:47Z")
Meat doesn’t cause flatulence. Fermenting fiber causes flatulence. ---
**Author:** ![dbxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9bcb4/32.png) [@dbxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dbxx)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/69 "2010-10-29T21:34:13Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Wait, so dogs have invincible digestive systems but a piece of chocolate will kill them? Is that like their kryptonite or something? 😃 That made me laugh so much - thankyou !!😃 ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044/70 "2010-10-29T23:34:53Z")
Only time the dog has puked is…when he ate the rear end of a deer. In our yard. Which he caught. Can’t blame him as much; the whole place is fenced in 5’ high (which he can’t clear, but the deer can). He hasn’t gone after deer since he stood shaking around all the blood and guts he had just yaked up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-dog-just-ate-raw-meat/555044.md?page=3)