# My father is mad at me because of the fact that I listen to a song praising A. Hitler **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435 "2012-06-17T16:43:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/41 "2012-06-18T03:13:41Z")
I don’t think the OP is trolling us. I used to have a Turkish internet friend who spoke English as a 2nd language, and the OP’s wording isn’t inauthentic. But I don’t think that Qin meant trolling as in, the OP is trolling the SDMB with a story he made up for turds and chuckles. I think he meant it as in, the OP is telling the truth here about the times when he has trolled his father _in real life._ If I’m wrong, I’ll stuff it. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/42 "2012-06-18T03:14:58Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > I don’t think the OP is trolling. I used to be good friends with a Turk who spoke English as a 2nd language and the wording is believable. But I don’t think that Qin meant trolling as in, trolling the forum with a story he made up for turds and chuckles. I think he meant it as in, the OP is telling the truth here about the times when the OP has trolled his father in real life. > > If I’m wrong, I’ll stuff it. Thank you, that’s what I meant along with him saying explicitly he was showing the songs to annoy people. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![oreally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ab992/32.png) [@oreally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oreally)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/43 "2012-06-18T03:35:11Z")
> [@gvozd](#): > > I shared it because most people may get angry at me sharing it. I like the fact that most people are driven to angry. I shared and listened it NOT because I accept what has done by A. Hitler or like the destruction that he has wrought, but because the songs has a good melody. Yeah right. It has nothing to do with being antagonistic and an attention whore. > [@](#): > > He says I give him the impression of that I am fan of Hitler Gee I can’t imagine why. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I am 19-years-old boy and know what to do. No, obviously you don’t. > [@](#): > > He should mind his business. Yeah what’s with fathers caring about what their sons do? Sorry but wow do you have a lot of growing up to do. > [@](#): > > While self reliance, individuality, and responsibility are taught by American parents to their children LOL You really don’t know much about America. Irresponsibility and coddling is all the rage. > [@](#): > > By that, I mean he should let me do anything. :smack: As I say…a LOT of growing up to do. I sure hope you do it before you become a father. If you were my kid I’d probably shoot you and start over, wondering where the heck I went wrong. OK I’m exaggerating. A little. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/44 "2012-06-18T03:38:43Z")
Meh, those Landser guys are kind of boring. Yes, I clicked the link. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/45 "2012-06-18T03:38:44Z")
> [@gvozd](#): > > I shared it because most people may get angry at me sharing it. I like the fact that most people are driven to angry. I shared and listened it NOT because I accept what has done by A. Hitler or like the destruction that he has wrought, but because the songs has a good melody. What did Alois do wrong? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/46 "2012-06-18T03:54:39Z")
So the op is self aware enough to recognize that he is listening and sharing this particular music mainly for its provocative potential but was not expecting his father, who loves him, to be very upset that his son was provoking others for the sake of provoking them and choosing to do in a most offensive way? Okay. To our op: There are lots of ways to stand out in this world. One way is to work for justice. Is there anything going on in your society that you believe is unjust? Is there a way that you can make a reputation for yourself by helping work to address those injustices, in a way that does not place you at serious risk of harm and that does not harm others? Rest assured doing such will provoke many and it comes with the plus that it will also result in you eventually hanging out with a better class of social misfits. To our parent posters: At what point of antisociality would you comment or intervene on the recreational tastes and public identity of your 19 year old financially dependent emerging adult child? NeoNazi music is easy, but what if your kid played the “Gays should be locked up” sermons and shared them on line? How far does it have to go? Does that differ in different cultures and in different subgroups? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/47 "2012-06-18T06:17:54Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Well not just that, he also said he wouldn’t associate with people who listened to David Allan Coe either. The person who said that about David Allen Coe wasn’t the OP. Read more carefully before you do whatever it is that you do when you post. > [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Yes, it’s really annoying to have someone who pretends to be an precocious, earnest adolescent, sincerely eager for civil discourse and honest debate, just in order to yank the collective chains of gullible SDMB members… Once again, where the goddamn “like” button? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/48 "2012-06-18T07:01:31Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > 19 year old kid, listening to some music in their room or on their iphone/ipad/tablet/mobile phone/mp3 player etc. is dad really going to take much of an interest in the provenance and lyrical content of the music? Seriously? Unless the kid is rubbing it in his dad’s face, in America, I doubt many parents would notice what their 19 year old kid was listening to unless the volume was too loud. It depends. My dad is a classic Baby Boomer, and back in the day he was always interested in learning what music I was listening to. We’d even watch MTV together, back when MTV had music (well, I’d watch - he’d sit and read a book, stopping to drop the occasional remark). ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/49 "2012-06-18T07:25:20Z")
> [@gvozd](#): > > By that, I mean he should let me do anything. If I do something wrong, I will face consequences of my action, not he. Oy. Don’t join some skinhead gang, please. Tribalism and racism are common responses to the fear of scarcity, but they don’t address its causes directly. ---
**Author:** ![gvozd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gvozd/32/7301_2.png) [@gvozd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gvozd)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/50 "2012-06-20T08:29:48Z")
> [@SmellyCat](#): > > Sounds like the typical awkward teenage response to “the man.” If you are open to friends or significant others, be careful who you would attract should this be your calling card. **Ever hear of "karma?**" What goes around, comes around… > > I don’t buy that you like the “melody,” with limitless songs and melodies to like that do not include heinous dictators who have used children in cruel experiments. > > There are other ways to differentiate yourself from authority. Am I going to be “the man”? > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Your father sounds like a good responsible human being. In some ways, I doubt that. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Your dad has years of experience in the real world. A teenager knows jack shit about much of anything. Your dad is trying to help you. Listen to him. Of a surety. > [@rachelellogram](#): > > If it makes you feel any better, what you’re doing isn’t atypical of 19-year-olds, and you will probably grow out of this phase. The human cerebral cortex isn’t done developing until a person’s mid-20s, so for us to expect better of you isn’t as damning as if you were 35 and still pulling this kind of crap. Just try to find a more productive way to channel your teenage angst! This sounds hard-hearted. Because if my cerebral cortex has not developed as it should should, it is not my mistake. What you do by getting angry at my state of being awkward-responser to the mean and humiliating me because of it is no different than beating a handicapped person. > [@lavenderviolet](#): > > It sounds like you live in Turkey. Is that right? > My impression as an outsider is that Turkey is more free than many other countries but not as much as Western countries. If that’s true, I can see how you would have the urge to want to test boundaries and challenge authority. Can you think of a way to do that in a way that is productive? Maybe being part of a charity that works to improve things for other people? Why should I choose a productive way? The state of its being" productive" is your definition. > [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > To be fair to the OP, while he is a troll he doesn’t admire Hitler. What I do in this forum is not trolling. You might consider what I do by sharing that music trolling. > [@astro](#): > > If I were not so solidly convinced by the quite obviously intentionally slack grammar deliberately injected into nicely parsed sentences that you are an obvious troll playing at “dance puppets dance”, I would take the time to give you an answer, but since you are an incredibly obvious troll no answer is forthcoming. Hilarious. Not because you are completely mistaken but because you are so certain. Do you ever question yourself? > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Indeed. There are two plausible reasons to groove on neo-Nazi music: > > 1. Because you agree with what they’re saying, in which case you’re worthless trash [note: you don’t seem to be in this category]; or > 2. Because you’re so desperate for attention that you’re willing to act out in order to get it, in which case, Jesus, dude, get a hobby. > > Were my child listening to the music, I’d desperately hope they were in the merely pitiable second category, and sure as shit I’d intervene, helping them find a way to get attention that wasn’t so pathetic. But I’d also be examining my parenting: how did I fail so badly as a parent that my child thinks that this is their best avenue toward getting attention from the world? Those who think like you cannot get the general idea. It is my mistake that I have been regarded as a teenager who likes to listen to hitler music in order to challenge authority. What I was trying to get at was completely different. I do no try to explain it anymore in this thread since I am sick and tired. > [@oreally](#): > > Yeah right. It has nothing to do with being antagonistic and an attention whore. > > Gee I can’t imagine why. :rolleyes: > > No, obviously you don’t. > Yeah what’s with fathers caring about what their sons do? > > Sorry but wow do you have a lot of growing up to do. > > LOL > > You really don’t know much about America. Irresponsibility and coddling is all the rage. > :smack: As I say…a LOT of growing up to do. I sure hope you do it before you become a father. > > If you were my kid I’d probably shoot you and start over, wondering where the heck I went wrong. > > OK I’m exaggerating. A little. Are you only angry at the fact that I listen to this music? All this anger in your post… Why? ---
**Author:** ![mdhruska](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@mdhruska](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mdhruska)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/51 "2012-06-20T11:10:46Z")
Try reading some Buddhist philosophy, particularly about the Eightfold Noble Path. If you are really concerned about your fathers reaction and how you are involved, this read can shed some light. Otherwise, sounds like you need some attention. Good Luck! ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/52 "2012-06-20T11:18:15Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Hitler was a mass-murdering fuckhead, most people aren’t going to overlook that for the sake of a catchy melody. Okay, the song linked sucked, but pretty much every film snob out there agrees that Triumph of the Will is an **excellent** work of filmmaking. I believe the standard line for both Triumph of the Will and Birth of a Nation is that they’re “excellent films that argue for evil.” So yes, quite a lot of people can see something for the art and vehemently disagree with the message. Granted film snobs probably don’t qualify as “most people.” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/53 "2012-06-20T11:35:24Z")
I can see myself appreciating _the Triumph of the Will._ I just can’t see myself enjoying it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/54 "2012-06-20T11:40:17Z")
Have you actually watched “Triumph of the Will”? I have. It’s two hours of people marching and listening to speeches. It may be a triumph of propaganda, but no one is going to watch it for the purpose of entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/55 "2012-06-20T11:43:21Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Have you actually watched “Triumph of the Will”? I have. It’s two hours of people marching and listening to speeches. It may be a triumph of propaganda, but no one is going to watch it for the purpose of entertainment. Oh, lord yes, I agree completely. I recognize the good cinematography, staging, editing, and all the other pieces that make it great **for its intended purpose** (which is why it gets praised to much), but if you were to put it in a theater and show it to people, they’d be bored out of their minds (like I was when I had to watch it!). ETA: For the OP, here’s [more fodder](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpRqvCps_MQ&skipcontrinter=1) for you to appreciate. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/56 "2012-06-20T14:19:44Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Michael Jackson is Hitler? Then what is chowder? I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/57 "2012-06-20T14:26:34Z")
Well, as long as it is just “a” Hitler, and not “the” Hitler, I think your Dad is overreacting. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/58 "2012-06-20T14:46:28Z")
> [@gvozd](#): > > Greetings, > > My father nowadays strongly criticize me in a threatening way because I read webpages that are not accepted by the majority of society and share & listen songs that most people will not like. Like: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YsCbUaf7o8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YsCbUaf7o8) > > I shared it because most people may get angry at me sharing it. I like the fact that most people are driven to angry. I shared and listened it NOT because I accept what has done by A. Hitler or like the destruction that he has wrought, but because the songs has a good melody. > > He says I give him the impression of that I am fan of Hitler:smack::smack::smack: > And he continues “If I get this impression, imagine what other people think about you. People think you are an national-socialist idiot. You cannot do that. You have to care what other people think and become a part of the society”. I have not changed anything he said. That’s exactly what was said by him. > > And, the main reason behind the fact that he strongly criticized me was that I would automatically isolate myself from society and other people via reading & joining 4CHAN and Turkish version of 4CHAN. > > I do not understand why he is so concerned about me being part of society and doing stuff not possibly being liked by many people. > > I can accept he can criticize me. But why does he do this like a mad dog and threatens me? > > I am 19-years-old boy and know what to do. He should mind his business. > > I guess if we were an Western family, he would not interfere in my affairs like that. In Middle Eastern and Asian cultures social loyalty is of great importance. While self reliance, individuality, and responsibility are taught by American parents to their children, family loyalty is the greatest lesson taught in my country. And if you act in an anarchy-like way in my country, you will get punished by, extremely harshly. > People who have mindset like in my country should surrender it IMO. > > By that, I mean he should let me do anything. If I do something wrong, I will face consequences of my action, not he. > > What do you think about me sharing and listening such music and viewing 4CHAN-like webpages? Does he has a right to criticize me? What I am doing is right? Should he mind his own business? What would you do if your 19-years old son listened such music and viewed such websites? First, I am a big fan of music in general. I once worked for a show that interviewed bands. Being a fan of music, I understand that there are people who just like a catchy tune, and those who really get into the background of music. My wife hears a song, and likes it. She couldnt tell you who sang it, who wrote it, or the message. That being said, there are others who do pay attention to lyrics and story in the music, and the songs you enjoy can project a perception about you. An example of this was the little feud between Neil Young and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Essentially, Young called people of the south bigots. Skynyrds response essentially was, I dont care what you think. I personally love the song, even though it was thumbing their nose at Youngs accusation. People who understand the background call me a racist. Skynyrd is one of my absolute favorite bands. JMHO, the bigotry doesnt change the fact that the music is incredible. You cannot change these perceptions. It will reflect on you, that is human nature, right or wrong. When you involve someone who is arguably one of the most brutal and evil figure in history, you are going to touch a lot of nerves. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/59 "2012-06-20T14:55:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh yes, **I kinda like to anger people** who think what they think is absolute true and try to censor things that they don’t like. But I do not annoy people _just for my own pleasure_. Look hard at these two sentences. When you figure out why they don’t go together, you’ll have a clue, as to whom is in the wrong here. Grow up a little bit. You want attention, do something admirable instead of something obnoxious. You’re too young to know where you’ll, be in the world, in the future. Posting Hitler admiring links on your Facebook is an incredibly ill advised thing to do. It’s kind of out there forever. Never forget; Everything you’re ever going to be, in the future, you’re currently in the process of becoming. What do your actions say about the person you’re becoming? Bit of an attention whoring jerk, maybe? You sure that’s who you want to become? Are these really traits worth pursuing? The muscles you use, are the ones that grow stronger, choose carefully. Give it some thought, is all I’m saying, you seem a clever enough young man to work it out, I think. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435/60 "2012-06-20T22:10:27Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Look hard at these two sentences. When you figure out why they don’t go together, you’ll have a clue, as to whom is in the wrong here. That’s only a problem if you think that morality and leisure are somehow one and the same. Making someone angry because what they are doing is wrong is not the same thing as enjoying making people angry. If this is the way you guys think, no wonder so many people get frustrated at me. My ethics have nothing to do with what I enjoy. They are solely about what is right. And, seriously, if bad people hate you, why in the world should you care? If anything, that’s an indication that you are a good person. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-mad-at-me-because-of-the-fact-that-i-listen-to-a-song-praising-a-hitler/625435.md?page=4)