# My father is threatening to put my mom, who has cancer, in a nursing home **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 9, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011 "2014-09-09T20:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bad_News_Baboon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/21 "2014-09-10T03:06:09Z")
You suggested that they both move in with you/near you. What if your mom moves in with you and your dad hires caregivers for you? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/22 "2014-09-10T03:08:56Z")
Consider that if he’s struggling now, she WILL end up in care eventually, because the road is only going one way, in truth. The best thing may well be to shift her into care now, while she is somewhat lucid so there will be some familiarity with the place, people, routine, when she begins to seriously lose her lucidity. Shifting her now may well be the wisest move. And I will second the value of giving him the chance to dote over her, instead of caregiver to exhaustion, as the end approaches. I’m so sorry you’re being faced with such difficult times, my heart goes out to your entire family. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/23 "2014-09-10T03:41:10Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > I don’t see how you can get Dad to do what you want for him to do. In fact, he has the other children, who have done nothing The OP mentioned a half-sibling. If father’s other children are all also all half-sibs by a previous marriage, they may feel less need to jump in: the OP’s mother is not their mother. If Dad remarried when they were adults, they may not have had much connection with her. ---
**Author:** ![Brynda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Brynda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynda)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/24 "2014-09-10T04:05:47Z")
24 hour care is very, very expensive. At bargain-basement pay ($10 an hour), it adds up to $1000 every four days, and $7200 every month. You are NOT failing your mother if you allow her to go to a nursing home. Sometimes it is the only option that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/25 "2014-09-10T05:09:10Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Echoing the suggestion to re-look into hospice care at home. The description you gave doesn’t sound like the home hospice I’m familiar with. I’m a home health care (not home hospice) nurse, and one of the best persuasive points when I feel like a person needs to be moved into home hospice care is how much more assistance they get than under home health care. > > Under Medicare guidelines, a [home health benefit](http://www.medicare.gov/coverage/home-health-services.html)is available for “part-time or “intermittent” skilled nursing care.” and it’s designed to happen in 60 day increments. If I want to keep seeing a patient for another 60 days, there are hoops to jump through. It can be done, but the visits remain “part-time or intermittent,” generally one or two days a week. I can sometimes go out daily for a week or two, but Medicare really wants to know why and when I’m going to stop doing that. People who need full time or “custodial” care are specifically excluded from receiving those under the home health benefit. It specifically excludes homemaker services, as well. > > [Medicare home hospice benefit](http://www.medicare.gov/what-medicare-covers/part-a/how-hospice-works.html), on the other hand, offers much more generous benefits, including homemakers and more hours of a CNA to assist with activities of daily living (eating, washing, toileting, dressing) as well as more hours of a skilled nurse as needed. > > The benefits for private insurance vary, but are generally similar to Medicare. > > I’ve even had people go from home health to home hospice and, with all the extra help, get stronger and regain function and get better enough to come out of home hospice and back into home health. That can happen, there’s nothing to keep you in home hospice if you decide you don’t need that much help anymore. Transfers back and forth happen all the time. Just takes some paperwork - and you don’t have to do any of it, the nurses will take care of everything. > > Lots of people confuse home health and home hospice. I wonder if the person who explained them to you was one of them. > > I’m not saying you should go the home hospice route, mind you. From what you say, it may very well be that a nursing home will be the better choice for your family. But I want to be sure you are making your choice from correct information. My sister just died in February, and she was in home hospice. It was exactly like the OP said. Hospice came out a couple times a week to talk and see how she was. It was up to the family to do the care until the very end when she would be admitted to the hospice facility. She had to go to the hospital at one pont, and wasnt strong enough to go back home, so she went into the hospice facility to get stronger. They made it very clear that she would be going back home in a day or two, and they ordered a hospital bed to be delivered to her home so that she would be more comfortable. She died the day before the bed was to be delivered, and I am so happy it happened in the hospice facility where she felt secure. A friend died a couple of years ago (different part of the state), and hospice came a couple of times a week for an hour or so. Co-workers and her church provided care while her husband was at work, and then he took over. Near the end she was unresponsive and just slept in the hospital bed in her living room, where she died. So if the OP doesn’t have a network of people to help, her mother might get better care in a nursing home. It doesn’t mean that she or her dad don’t love and care for her mom, it might just mean that a nursing home is the best solution. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/26 "2014-09-10T05:46:06Z")
> [@Lurgic](#): > > I’m not opposed categorically to nursing homes. If my mom were closer to the end of her life, I’d be okay with considering it. Ahem… > [@Lurgic](#): > > The median life expectancy is 12-18 months from diagnosis, but her doctors said her age the fact the tumor couldn’t be removed likely make her prognosis very poor. Your mom is close to the end of her life. Your dad can’t take care of her by himself. And while you are willing to drop everything to take care of your mom, doesn’t make your dad evil or selfish because he can’t or because he doesn’t like having strangers in his house every day. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/27 "2014-09-10T06:15:15Z")
You didn’t say if you’re familiar at all with your dad’s home culture, but due to that and his age he could have very different ideas on what a spousal relationship entails or letting people into his house or what he “owes” to you and your mom. You and him could have very different views of the situation due to that. I know with my own mother she is very different culturally due to this, and as she gets older it only comes out stronger. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/28 "2014-09-10T06:37:12Z")
I quit work to care for my aunt. It did not work out, to put it mildly. She ended up in a care home and it really was the least worst option. Trust your father to find a suitable place for her. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/29 "2014-09-10T12:55:45Z")
If you move your parents 500 miles into your apartment, it won’t be more than a couple months that your mother will need to go into hospice or a nursing home anyway. Then you will need to move a 75 old man and a dying woman 500 miles back and find a hospice or nursing home anyway. It won’t be long before she doesn’t know where she is anyway. Being at home isn’t going to be any better than being in a nursing home. Sorry for your situation, and that of your father. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![as\_u\_wish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@as\_u\_wish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/as_u_wish)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/30 "2014-09-10T14:02:35Z")
I haven’t read all the discussion, but want to offer this small bit of encouragement: We agonized over the decision, but finally relented and took by husband to residential hospice care. It was so wonderful. For him - to have round the clock, compassionate care without feeling he was a burden. For us - to be able to get some sleep knowing he was cared for and to have caretakers who understood he was living, though dying. The hospice center was so like home, with large family friendly rooms (we were able to sleep there, cook there, play games, watch TV or DVDs, internet…). It had play rooms for the kids and library (books and video) for adults. My husband said he wished we had moved him sooner… So, perhaps, you and your parents do not have as much to fear as you imagine… ---
**Author:** ![DummyGladHands](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DummyGladHands](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DummyGladHands)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/31 "2014-09-10T14:35:04Z")
> [@](#): > > I haven’t read all the discussion, but want to offer this small bit of encouragement: We agonized over the decision, but finally relented and took by husband to residential hospice care. It was so wonderful. For him - to have round the clock, compassionate care without feeling he was a burden. For us - to be able to get some sleep knowing he was cared for and to have caretakers who understood he was living, though dying. The hospice center was so like home, with large family friendly rooms (we were able to sleep there, cook there, play games, watch TV or DVDs, internet…). It had play rooms for the kids and library (books and video) for adults. My husband said he wished we had moved him sooner… Yes. As hard as it is on your Dad now, it’s only going to get worse for him. Then the quality of care he is able to provide your Mother will not be what you would like it to be, and there may even be a point of emotional & physical overload for him THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS FOR YOUR MOTHER. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/32 "2014-09-10T14:43:07Z")
It’s a nursing home, not a prison. A friend’s dad has just been moved into a nursing home (Parkinson’s, with quite advanced dementia) and I suspect his wife (the sweetest lady) would have killed him and then herself in another 3 months if she hadn’t done it. ---
**Author:** ![dracoi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dracoi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dracoi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/33 "2014-09-10T15:23:44Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Ahem… > > Your mom is close to the end of her life. Your dad can’t take care of her by himself. And while you are willing to drop everything to take care of your mom, doesn’t make your dad evil or selfish because he can’t or because he doesn’t like having strangers in his house every day. You took the words out of my mouth. For the OP, here’s how I see it: you can be responsible for changing diapers and feeding and bathing, etc. for your mother’s final days, or she can be put in a place where they have round-the-clock care by professionals so that you can visit as often as you like and spend the time on things like conversations. My mother-in-law went through Parkinson’s and refused to go into a nursing home. In fact, once there, she behaved as badly as she could in an effort to get kicked out because she thought if we ran out of nursing homes, she could come back to the house. But the reality is that a nursing home is exactly where she needed to be. Even home health care didn’t work well (especially when she kept telling the girls to go home because she refused to admit to the true level of her needs; you notice the similarity to your father in sending help away - my perception of this is that home health care is just as disruptive and intrusive on normal life as living in a nursing home). As Omar points out from your own post, if there’s perhaps only a year left… hospice care normally starts at 6 months from when death is expected. She is at the end of her life. As a family, I would strongly encourage you all to spend less time changing her diapers and more time enjoying her company. So whatever you do, do not give up your career to care for your mother. If your father is the only care provider left and he wants a nursing home, then respect his decision. Obviously, there are a lot of underlying family problems; spend these last months building the relationships as best you can ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/34 "2014-09-10T15:30:16Z")
I have no experience in this matter, I don’t know you, and I don’t know your parents. But, I really feel for all of you. There is no _great_ outcome here; just the best you can do. As I said, I don’t know your mother, so I don’t know what kind of woman she is. But, I wonder - might it be less traumatic _for her_ to be moved into a nursing home while she is still somewhat lucid and can get some kind of grasp on what is occurring (and even have a hand in the decision-making, if that’s possible and appropriate)? From what little I know of dementia, it seems like it might be more traumatic to her to move when she doesn’t understand the why and where of the move (and possibly even the who). Is it possible that giving her time to adjust to the new living arrangements might make things easier down the road when she is _not_ lucid? I wish you well regardless of how it turns out. I am dreading these decisions in my own life, and I’m at an age where they will be coming much sooner than I’d wish. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/35 "2014-09-10T15:36:04Z")
My Grandpa had home help for a year or so before it was just too much, and his daughters inisited on a nursing home. The aides were so mixed- some were OK, some were awful, some wouldn’t help with stuff that needed doing, some never showed up on time, and one got caught stealing, which particularly sucked as she was the one he liked most. He was massively opposed to going into a home, and yes, his dementia had got pretty bad by the time they got him to go, but he really liked the place. It seemed really nice every time I went there, and when we took him out for the day, he’d sometimes just keep asking when we were going back. What does your mother think of the idea? You’ve said what you think, and what your father thinks, but was it something you ever discussed with her? I’d suggest trying to find somewhere good and close enough that your Dad can easily get there, that does respite care as well as long term, and try it for a week or so. If it doesn’t suit her, well, it’s just a week to give your Dad a break, if she actually gets on OK with it then it can become permanent. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/36 "2014-09-10T16:01:53Z")
My father passed about two months ago after more than a year of decline. I have no sage words for the OP but they do have all the compassion I can offer. One thing that worked very well for us is that the family were all on the same page with almost everything. My mother is in her 70s but sharp as a tack and even though my brother, sister and myself have had issues through the years we all put the effort into reaching a consensus. I’m the one still in my home town so I did more day to day things than anyone but my mother. In fact much of what I did was giving my mother a few hours off as many days a week as I could. My brother and sister contributed where they could. When my father needed to go to a nursing home, it wasn’t a choice. It was a necessity. And in some ways it was the best thing for both of my parents. My father needed more care than he could have been given at home and my mother resumed getting full nights sleep. Putting someone in a home doesn’t have to mean you’re shoving them out on an ice flow. My mother visited almost every lunch and dinner time to help feed my father (he had swallowing issues) and I probably spent more time with him in the last six months of his life than I had in the previous few years. There is a certain inevitability in end stage care, sometimes making the best of what options you do have is the best you can do. My father’s passing brought my family closer together. It doesn’t always work that way but I hope the OP and their family can work together to find a way to work together. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/37 "2014-09-10T19:12:50Z")
When my brother in law was terminal, the one peice of advice we got over and over again from people who had been there was “I wish we would have gone to hospice sooner.” We didn’t - he didn’t - he never really wanted to admit that he was all that terminal. The strain of home health care was incredible, even with paid aid. It tore the family apart. When he did make it to hospice - he was only there one day before he passed - but it was the best place. It was homey and comfortable and the staff was there to really support everyone. My advice, having been there…I wish we’d done hospice sooner. I’m very sorry about your mother. I wish you all the strength you need. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/38 "2014-09-10T23:14:24Z")
When my mother started her decline (probably brain cancer, possibly strokes) I ended up putting her in a nursing home after exploring other options with my sister. I was surprised that it didn’t end up being an upsetting experience for my mother at all (but by then whatever the disease process was had exterpated the memory that she’d been a 3-pack a day smoker her whole life). She lasted 3 months. Neither my sister nor I have any regrets about the choice. Odd little side note, it turned out that the nursing home we chose was the place my mother had worked at years before as an aide, and one of the nurses there remembered her. It seemed sort of meant to be, at that point. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/39 "2014-09-10T23:29:24Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > The OP mentioned a half-sibling. If father’s other children are all also all half-sibs by a previous marriage, they may feel less need to jump in: the OP’s mother is not their mother. If Dad remarried when they were adults, they may not have had much connection with her. Aware of it. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011/40 "2014-09-11T00:39:36Z")
You have my condolences. Make sure to save a couple weeks of FMLA for the wrapping up of her business and funeral. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-father-is-threatening-to-put-my-mom-who-has-cancer-in-a-nursing-home/698011.md?page=3)