# \[My friend was killed in the\] Oregon community college shooting \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 1, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166 "2015-10-01T18:19:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/41 "2015-10-01T21:39:54Z")
Lancia, you said you’d heard one professor was OK. Is that the favorite one from the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/42 "2015-10-01T21:44:08Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It means anyone ignoring the signs is presumed to be bent on mayhem. Anyone can call police as soon as they see a gun, because they don’t have to distinguish between legal carry and psychotic killers. Police can shoot on sight anyone carrying a gun. Didn’t seem to help a lot, did it? In fact, can you cite one situation where being a “gun-free zone” helped in any way? I can’t recall any. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/43 "2015-10-01T21:44:42Z")
Seems like another religious fanatic? They’ll find out pretty soon. My prayers go out to the injured and the families affected by this senseless tragedy. > **[Madman kills nine, injures seven after shooting at Umpqua Community College...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/10/02/madman-kills-nine-injures-seven-after-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-oregon/)** > > A lone gunman killed nine people and wounded seven more Thursday in a blood-soaked Oregon college campus rampage as America’s recurring national nightmare returned. The carnage erupted at 10:… > [@](#): > > The shooter fired through a window in Snyder Hall, an academic building, and shot a writing teacher in the head, student Kortney Moore told NRToday. > > Once inside, the shooter told everyone to get on the ground, then asked everyone to stand up and state their religion, and began firing. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/44 "2015-10-01T21:46:08Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Didn’t seem to help a lot, did it? In fact, can you cite one situation where being a “gun-free zone” helped in any way? I can’t recall any. Seriously? How many schools didn’t have mass shootings today? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/45 "2015-10-01T21:48:51Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Well, the campus _is_ a gun-free zone. I really am baffled what the point is making it a gun-free zone. The shooter can just ignore the signs. It may not stop this type of shooting, but could prevent an incident with people who are just carrying guns around get carried away. Most “criminals” start out as law abiding citizens. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/46 "2015-10-01T22:00:30Z")
This happened because? Why do you think? Crazy? Existence of guns in the world? Question one: Has an intercity school full of gangs, and clubs and much racial unrest & probably many homemade weapons on students on any give day been shot up? Question two: ‘Gun free zone’ help or hurt or there is not enough data yet? Your opinion on that question??? More work on medical \* psycho-testing \*\* … either both, but weighted towards \*\* ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/47 "2015-10-01T22:01:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Seriously? How many schools didn’t have mass shootings today? Really? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/48 "2015-10-01T22:09:21Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Didn’t seem to help a lot, did it? In fact, can you cite one situation where being a “gun-free zone” helped in any way? I can’t recall any. My search-fu is failing me, but a few years back a student tried this at another college, one in Israel. He was soon stopped by armed staff (and maybe students). ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/49 "2015-10-01T22:11:36Z")
Making something like this about 2nd amendment gun-rights is just so tedious and pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/50 "2015-10-01T22:16:07Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Lancia, you said you’d heard one professor was OK. Is that the favorite one from the OP? Yeas, that was her. She’s ok, as is another professor I knew and had messaged. I’m waiting to hear from a third. Rumor has it it was a remedial English comp. class that was targeted. If that’s the case, there’s a good chance the prof that was killed was one of several I had worked with when I was there. Jesus H. Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/51 "2015-10-01T22:20:52Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Well, the campus _is_ a gun-free zone. I really am baffled what the point is making it a gun-free zone. The shooter can just ignore the signs. The point of gun-free zones isn’t that anyone thinks signs magically protect people; it’s so that if anyone on campus sees someone with a firearm, they know for a fact that the person is in violation of the rules and doesn’t need to worry about whether they have a permit or not. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/52 "2015-10-01T22:26:32Z")
> [@Lancia](#): > > Yeas, that was her. She’s ok, as is another professor I knew and had messaged. I’m waiting to hear from a third. > > Rumor has it it was a remedial English comp. class that was targeted. If that’s the case, there’s a good chance the prof that was killed was one of several I had worked with when I was there. > > Jesus H. Christ. Heard from the thrird prof I knew. She was out sick today, and was not on campus. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/53 "2015-10-01T22:27:43Z")
> [@Lancia](#): > > Heard from the thrird prof I knew. She was out sick today, and was not on campus. Thank god. Glad those you care for turned out to be okay. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/54 "2015-10-01T22:47:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It means anyone ignoring the signs is presumed to be bent on mayhem. Anyone can call police as soon as they see a gun, because they don’t have to distinguish between legal carry and psychotic killers. Police can shoot on sight anyone carrying a gun. Is this factually correct? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/55 "2015-10-01T22:53:34Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Well, the campus _is_ a gun-free zone. I really am baffled what the point is making it a gun-free zone. The shooter can just ignore the signs. Or the shooter can NOT ignore the signs and use that information to it’s fullest extent. Haven’t confirmed this but it’s been reported that the shooter [asked people what their religion was](http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/oregon_shooting_shooter_ask_vi.html). There is a tremendous lack of information regarding this starting with who the shooter was, what he supposedly posted and any motive. It was hours before they reported the shooter was a male. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/56 "2015-10-01T22:58:58Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > The point of gun-free zones isn’t that anyone thinks signs magically protect people; it’s so that if anyone on campus sees someone with a firearm, they know for a fact that the person is in violation of the rules and doesn’t need to worry about whether they have a permit or not. It also tells the shooter there is completely defenseless people at that location. Excellent hunting for anyone sick enough to commit terror. We’ll never know if an armed teacher could have made a difference. Maybe so, maybe not. Depends on their training and if they were in the right location to act. We have a lot of veterans after 12 years of war. Some of them might work at the college. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/57 "2015-10-01T23:04:09Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It also tells the shooter there is completely defenseless people at that location. Excellent hunting for anyone sick enough to commit terror. > > We’ll never know if an armed teacher could have made a difference. Maybe so, maybe not. Depends on their training and if they were in the right location to act. We have a lot of veterans after 12 years of war. Some of them might work at the college. So, of course, the answer is to have armed security at every classroom door with AK-47s, or hell any public soft target: Churches, theaters, stores and supermarkets, etc. He was able to kill and injure dozens of people in under a minute. If he knows the teacher is armed, guess who’s the first shot? Yay, free gun! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/58 "2015-10-01T23:09:34Z")
I wasn’t suggesting armed guards. Trained employees that worked there anyway could be armed and conceal carry. I stress trained. Preferably veterans, active duty military reserve, or ex police holding various jobs in admin or Faculty. No guarantee they’d be in the right place at the right time. But any advantage against these nut jobs helps. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/59 "2015-10-01T23:13:48Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > So, of course, the answer is to have armed security at every classroom door with AK-47s, or hell any public soft target: Churches, theaters, stores and supermarkets, etc. > > He was able to kill and injure dozens of people in under a minute. If he knows the teacher is armed, guess who’s the first shot? Yay, free gun! He already had a gun. He can’t shoot everyone so if there are employees with CCW’s then the school is no longer a soft target. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/60 "2015-10-01T23:17:29Z")
God Dammit! God Dammit!! I’m crying as I type this. Seriously, I think this is the first time I’ve ever actually cried over one of these shootings. I’m just overwhelmed. I know that we will never solve this fucking problem. My heart is just breaking for all these people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166.md?page=4)