# \[My friend was killed in the\] Oregon community college shooting \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 1, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166 "2015-10-01T18:19:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/61 "2015-10-01T23:18:53Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > He already had a gun. He can’t shoot everyone so if there are employees with CCW’s then the school is no longer a soft target. Pshh, think of the logistics of this across 100,000 schools across the nation. And really, I’d rather have this conversation in GD or something (again). We both know this’ll just go 'round and 'round. A lot of people think more guns is the answer, a lot think less are. I get it. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/62 "2015-10-01T23:32:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > He already had a gun. He can’t shoot everyone so if there are employees with CCW’s then the school is no longer a soft target. Louisiana has shall issue concealed carry permits and open carry. So that theater down the street from where I used to live was not a soft target. Didn’t help much, did it? The guy got stopped because the cops were nearby, not by any John Waynes in the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/63 "2015-10-01T23:45:02Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Pshh, think of the logistics of this across 100,000 schools across the nation. And really, I’d rather have this conversation in GD or something (again). We both know this’ll just go 'round and 'round. A lot of people think more guns is the answer, a lot think less are. I get it. :shrug: Well that’s what usually happens in the absence of information. Odd that don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/64 "2015-10-01T23:48:43Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Louisiana has shall issue concealed carry permits and open carry. So that theater down the street from where I used to live was not a soft target. > Didn’t help much, did it? The guy got stopped because the cops were nearby, not by any John Waynes in the audience. I hadn’t heard there were armed people in the audience. Lucky there were armed cops nearby. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/65 "2015-10-01T23:49:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > A suburban community college in Oregon . . . is no place safe any more?! ☹ Unfortunately, no. I don’t want to sidetrack this thread, but Jared Loughner, who shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in 2011, and killed six people and wounded 12 others, attended a suburban community college in the Tucson area, where he was known to be a problem student. And he shot up a suburban shopping plaza. These shootings occur where and when you least expect them. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/66 "2015-10-01T23:52:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well that’s what usually happens in the absence of information. Odd that don’t you think? Absence of what information? Like watching action movies? Why would any average 21-year old citizen need one of [these?](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine_pic1.jpg) > [@Magiver](#): > > I hadn’t heard there were armed people in the audience. Lucky there were armed cops nearby. Who ever said anything about cops not having guns? Isn’t that the point of law enforcement officers? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/67 "2015-10-01T23:55:31Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Unfortunately, no. I don’t want to sidetrack this thread, but Jared Loughner, who shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in 2011, and killed six people and wounded 12 others, attended a suburban community college in the Tucson area, where he was known to be a problem student. And he shot up a suburban shopping plaza. These shootings occur where and when you least expect them. Actually the parents of the Tuscon shooter were actively trying to find him to prevent what happened. It’s almost impossible to lock up a nut-job. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/68 "2015-10-01T23:59:36Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Louisiana has shall issue concealed carry permits and open carry. So that theater down the street from where I used to live was not a soft target. That theater down the street where the shooting occurred was also a gun-free zone. Bad example. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/69 "2015-10-02T00:00:43Z")
You guys will never solve this: ever. Guns are too ingrained into your culture and things like this will happen a number of times a year forever. There’s no way to go back at this point. You need to live with this reality, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/70 "2015-10-02T00:01:51Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I hadn’t heard there were armed people in the audience. That’s the point. Under the laws of the State of Louisiana, just about anybody can get a concealed carry permit, or open carry without one. Apparently, no one in the theater chose carry a gun. So loose gun regulations have no effect on preventing mass gun violence. Unless you are planning to force people to carry? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/71 "2015-10-02T00:07:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That’s the point. Under the laws of the State of Louisiana, just about anybody can get a concealed carry permit, or open carry without one. Apparently, no one in the theater chose carry a gun. Again, that theater was a GUN FREE ZONE. Just like this college was. Look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/72 "2015-10-02T00:07:12Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Absence of what information? Like watching action movies? well by now I’d expect to know the shooter’s name, anything posted on the internet, motive, past history… things like that. > [@cmyk](#): > > Who ever said anything about cops not having guns? Isn’t that the point of law enforcement officers? Nobody said anything about cops not having guns. Look at how helpful they were at the school. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/73 "2015-10-02T00:12:42Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > You guys will never solve this: ever. Guns are too ingrained into your culture and things like this will happen a number of times a year forever. > > There’s no way to go back at this point. You need to live with this reality, unfortunately. You’re absolutely right. It’s more than cultural, it’s emotional to a large degree. I know too many people who are attached to their guns, and it’s almost like it’s part of their identity. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/74 "2015-10-02T00:20:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Again, that theater was a GUN FREE ZONE. Just like this college was. Look it up. Good guy with a gun [shoots carjacking victim](http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/09/27/one-man-injured-after-carjacking-shooting-at-gas-station/72923278/): > [@](#): > > Officials say two men jumped another man in the gas station parking lot and took the victim’s Chevrolet pickup truck. Police say a witness then pulled out a gun and began shooting at the suspects, accidentally hitting the carjacking victim in the head. Multiply that by ten if a shootout breaks out in a theater. That’s why they are gun-free zones. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/75 "2015-10-02T00:34:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Good guy with a gun [shoots carjacking victim](http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/09/27/one-man-injured-after-carjacking-shooting-at-gas-station/72923278/):Multiply that by ten if a shootout breaks out in a theater. That’s why they are gun-free zones. Ah so first you say that no one bothered to bring a gun. Then when you find out that you didn’t know the theater was a gun-free zone, you decide to bring up some incident from somewhere else that had nothing to do with the theater. Just admit that you screwed up in your kneejerk. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/76 "2015-10-02T00:38:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Ah so first you say that no one bothered to bring a gun. Then when you find out that you didn’t know the theater was a gun-free zone, you decide to bring up some incident from somewhere else that had nothing to do with the theater. Just admit that you screwed up in your kneejerk. It demonstrates that some gun owners, like most people, are shitty in crisis situations. That’s the problem. More guns, means more shitty people panicking and reacting out of adrenaline. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/77 "2015-10-02T00:40:50Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It demonstrates that some gun owners, like most people, are shitty in crisis situations. And some are fine in crisis situations. What does that prove? > [@](#): > > That’s the problem. More guns, means more shitty people panicking and reacting out of adrenaline. Sure. Much better when only the mass shooter has a weapon. MUCH better. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/78 "2015-10-02T00:45:43Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > …Why would any average 21-year old citizen need one of [these?](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine_pic1.jpg) (post shortened) Self defense. Hunting. Target shooting. Plinking. Because the 2nd Amendment confirms an unalienable right to own weapons for defense. You know. The same reasons that have existed since the Bill of Rights was approved on December 15, 1791. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/79 "2015-10-02T00:46:06Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > And some are fine in crisis situations. What does that prove? I would think, that since fear is what drives a civilian to carry every day, they would tend to be at least as shitty as the society as a whole. But that’s neither here nor there. > [@](#): > > Sure. Much better when only the mass shooter has a weapon. MUCH better. It was for the guy getting carjacked. The last thing you need is frightened people thinking they’re action heroes and firing into crowds. Yes, it’s possible that a gun carrying bystander could have saved the day. I find it unlikely that it’s more likely to save lives than endanger lives. It would be nice if we could gather data on incidents like this to come to the actual truth, but, of course, the NRA made collecting such data impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/80 "2015-10-02T00:49:31Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > The last thing you need is frightened people thinking they’re action heroes and firing into crowds. Yes, it’s possible that a gun carrying bystander could have saved the day. I find it unlikely that it’s more likely to save lives than endanger lives. For crying out loud, the guy had the students lie down on the floor then methodically started shooting them. Don’t you think if some of those students had guns on them they could have stopped it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166.md?page=5)