# \[My friend was killed in the\] Oregon community college shooting \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 1, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166 "2015-10-01T18:19:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/101 "2015-10-02T01:25:46Z")
Here’s the [4chan thread](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OZGEjT1ilSUJ:https://archive.moe/r9k/post/22785729/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) that the shooter started warning he was going to do it. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/102 "2015-10-02T01:26:14Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] Why would any average 21-year old citizen need one of [these?](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine_pic1.jpg) [/QUOTE] Is this one ok? [http://ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html](http://ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html) ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/103 "2015-10-02T01:27:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > A car is easy. Any stupid pussy with a car can kill someone. Or several someones. This is the second goofiest argument the pro-gun side has. Our economy wouldn’t exist without cars. They easily save or create conditions where millions of people prosper and have better existences. Private ownership of guns is a hobby, or lets mountain folk eat Elk meat all winter. Not the same thing. Not that I’m against private ownership of guns, but the idea that it’s the same thing as car ownership is _drivel_. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/104 "2015-10-02T01:29:25Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > You’re conflating that event with Elliot Rodger of the [Isla Vista killings.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Vista_shooting) No I’m not. Jared Lougner was the one who shot U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 people. His parents would disable his car to keep him home and had taken his guns away. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/105 "2015-10-02T01:31:45Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Of course. People with a gun would have just remained there on the floor to be shot. Without trying to defend themselves. In your world. It’s your world too. People are cowards. And if they do act, they will, I contend, likely do something counter productive often. Even gun owners. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/106 "2015-10-02T01:31:52Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You haven’t demonstrated my argument is stupid. In order to do that, you’d need to show me how common mass knifings are. > > Go on. Mass murderers have used many different objects and devices as weapons in order to commit mass murder. You chose to blame inanimate firearms and knives. What will you attempt to ban next, automobiles? Is there any chance you might actually consider dealing with the actual murderer(s)? ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/107 "2015-10-02T01:32:37Z")
By the way, [UCC is NOT a Gun Free Zone](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/): > [@](#): > > Umpqua Community College, however, was not a gun free zone. A 2011, state court decision prohibited public colleges from banning guns on campus. The decision stemmed from a suit filed by the Oregon Firearm Education Foundation, a gun rights group. There was an effort to pass a new law to reinstate the ability of public colleges to ban guns. That measure was defeated by gun rights advocates. We have had, since Jan 1, 2015, a mass shooting (4+ victims, including shooter) [everyday (on average)](https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DPmk22VzHqt4IDg1XUHwvuDFuOw=/600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4004170/mass_shootings_calendar.0.png). Most of these DON’T make the national news, because they are PRIVATE killings (as in family members, or households). [Gun violence in America, in 17 maps and charts.](http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/108 "2015-10-02T01:33:50Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If you point your finger at the murderer, will the murderer wilt before your stern glare? > > How would you respond if the murderer made your finger disappear before your very eyes, almost as if by magic, complete with a flash and a bang? > [@Magiver](#): > > No, I think if there was a number of CCW students dispersed in the school they could shoot someone who has an AR-15 shooting you. > > Or, and I’m just throwing this out, you can sit their waiting for the police. How long did you survive your own scenario with an AR-15 pointed at your head? If you need help with the math I’ll get you started. The bullet from an AR-15 travels at 3,200 ft/s. Hey, go ahead and pull out your .45. You’ve just made yourself the first target. What’s the math again? There’s no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. Either way. It’s either go back to the Wild West, or try to magically make 400,000,000 guns disappear, or stick with the status quo. The status quo it will be. And I’m not necessarily a heavy anti-gun guy. I quite enjoy firing them. But I don’t get boners over them, especially when this non-sensical act of cowardice and evil pops up in the news. Again. And again. And again… ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/109 "2015-10-02T01:35:57Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > This is the second goofiest argument the pro-gun side has. > > Our economy wouldn’t exist without cars. They easily save or create conditions where millions of people prosper and have better existences. > > Private ownership of guns is a hobby, or lets mountain folk eat Elk meat all winter. Not the same thing. > > Not that I’m against private ownership of guns, but the idea that it’s the same thing as car ownership is _drivel_. That’s just goofy. There is no Amendment guaranteeing your right to own or drive a car. You’re still left with have to overcome that 2nd Amendment roadblock that’s prevent people like you from banning all firearms. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/110 "2015-10-02T01:38:23Z")
The guy has zero friends on his Facebook page. His last posting was a link to an article “Signs You Have Raised a Serial Killer”. Dated two weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/111 "2015-10-02T01:39:16Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Hey, go ahead and pull out your .45. You’ve just made yourself the first target. What’s the math again? (post shortened) You’re already a target. What’s the chances of you surviving being struck by a car or surviving shrapnel from an IED? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/112 "2015-10-02T01:41:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > That’s just goofy. There is no Amendment guaranteeing your right to own or drive a car. You’re still left with have to overcome that 2nd Amendment roadblock that’s prevent people like you from banning all firearms. I don’t want to ban all firearms. So please don’t misrepresent my position. The right to own a gun, and what we have now, are two circles that overlap. How much is a matter for lawyers and lawmakers. To assume that we have the best laws currently for public safety is a difficult assumption to defend. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/113 "2015-10-02T01:42:37Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Is there any chance you might actually consider dealing with the actual murderer(s)? Before, or after they were responsible gun owners? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/114 "2015-10-02T01:44:55Z")
> [@lawoot](#): > > By the way, [UCC is NOT a Gun Free Zone](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/) This was on the college’s web site page (the web site is currently down) Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited. [http://www.vocativ.com/news/236421/the-complications-of-oregons-guns-on-campus-laws/](http://www.vocativ.com/news/236421/the-complications-of-oregons-guns-on-campus-laws/) Any student who brought his gun to campus would face a disciplinary action. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/115 "2015-10-02T01:56:45Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > Is this one ok? > [Ruger® Mini-14® Ranch Rifle Autoloading Rifle Models](http://ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html) For a 21 yo? No. If I had my druthers, I’d limit caliber, capacity, firepower, and action based on particulars of age, background and training. So, let’s just say, a 21 yo can purchase a small-capacity, lever-action, .22 rifle w/decent training and a background check. But not a semi-automatic assault rifle. That would require being ~35 yo, with rigorous training and background check before issued a license. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/116 "2015-10-02T02:04:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Before, or after they were responsible gun owners? Do you consider all mass murdering bombers to be “responsible gun owners” or do you just consider them to be potential “responsible gun owners”? You seem to have an obsession with blaming gun owners for all mass murders when it’s obvious that mass murderers use many different methods to murder people en masse. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/117 "2015-10-02T02:10:31Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Do you consider all mass murdering bombers to be “responsible gun owners” or do you just consider them to be potential “responsible gun owners”? You seem to have an obsession with blaming gun owners for all mass murders when it’s obvious that mass murderers use many different methods to murder people en masse. How many people die in bombings in the US? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/118 "2015-10-02T02:14:23Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > For a 21 yo? No. > > If I had my druthers, I’d limit caliber, capacity, firepower, and action based on particulars of age, background and training. > > So, let’s just say, a 21 yo can purchase a small-capacity, lever-action, .22 rifle w/decent training and a background check. But not a semi-automatic assault rifle. That would require being ~35 yo, with rigorous training and background check before issued a license. Missed the edit. I’d also put a cap of two or three guns per individual. But some sort of gradual, tiered measure of weapon vs. age/training/background is better than just handing a high-caliber semi-auto assault rifle to a 21 yo. (btw, I get the Mini-14 is a very similar rifle compared to the AR-15… nice try 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/119 "2015-10-02T02:16:51Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > This is the second goofiest argument the pro-gun side has. It’s not a pro-gun side but you don’t seem capable of understanding that… If you took the gun away from today’s situation nothing would change. The problem is the person committing the act and not the methodology. > [@Lobohan](#): > > Our economy wouldn’t exist without cars. They easily save or create conditions where millions of people prosper and have better existences. 30,000 people die in car accidents every year in the US. Doesn’t change the argument one iota. Nobody at the college was killed by a gun. They were killed by a person intent on doing them harm. When I was young we carried knives in school yet nobody was stabbed. I made a foot long knife in shop class and carried it around as a bookmark while making it. Some of the schools in my area had shooting clubs yet nobody was shot. Again, a person killed those students. A fact almost completely ignored by this thread and the news industry. > [@Lobohan](#): > > Private ownership of guns is a hobby, or lets mountain folk eat Elk meat all winter. Not the same thing. unlike a car, I can carry a gun for protection. That’s not a hobby. > [@Lobohan](#): > > Not that I’m against private ownership of guns, but the idea that it’s the same thing as car ownership is _drivel_. nobody suggested they serve the same purpose. They’re tools. Both can be used to kill a lot of people. Someday you’ll understand that. Well maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166/120 "2015-10-02T02:17:34Z")
Updated fatalities. Thankfully it’s gone down from 13 that was reported earlier today. > **[Madman kills nine, injures seven after shooting at Umpqua Community College...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/10/02/madman-kills-nine-injures-seven-after-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-oregon/)** > > A lone gunman killed nine people and wounded seven more Thursday in a blood-soaked Oregon college campus rampage as America’s recurring national nightmare returned. The carnage erupted at 10:… [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/authorities-multiple-casualties-oregon-college-shooting-34182327](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/authorities-multiple-casualties-oregon-college-shooting-34182327) > [@](#): > > A lone gunman killed nine people and wounded seven more Thursday in a blood-soaked Oregon college campus rampage as America’s recurring national nightmare returned. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-friend-was-killed-in-the-oregon-community-college-shooting-edited-title/733166.md?page=7)