My grandparents eloped!

When I was little, I remember my grandmother having live-in boyfriends, but she would never marry them. (This was in the 70’s, and still, to me, kind of ‘wow, what a rebel!’) She’d been married once, which ended with the drowning of my grandfather as he tried to save a friend who’d fallen into Lake Michigan. None of my family’s particularly religious, and no Catholicism at all, so I’ve always guessed the reason for no re-marriage is a combination of ‘been there, done that; no thanks!’ and genuine affection for her first husband. To the end of her life, though, she was the world’s biggest flirt! She wasn’t even trying, she’d just suddenly be stepping off the plane with an Admiral and we’d have to follow her and her new beau to the PX while he bought her stuff duty-free…it’s not as though any in my family are good-looking, either; she just had a way about herself, I guess :slight_smile:

My parents got married exactly nine months before I was born. :wink:

At least, that was the story for about 30 years.

Then my mom 'fessed up that they hadn’t bothered marrying until after 10 years and the 4th kid came along. This somehow didn’t surprise me at all, but what does still amuse me is that, after finding that out from my mom, I asked my dad sneaky questions about how he and mom had got together. And boy, does he bring out the memories! All of which are technically true, according to my mom.

But he strings as fine a yarn as his mamma did, apparantly, because to this day he won’t ever admit they weren’t actually married at the time any of the children were born. It’s very sweet; I don’t think I’ll ever let him know that I know.

I don’t have a lot of details because this is so far back in my family history, but my dad was researching out genealogy and just a few weeks back found this interesting tidbit out. Apparently somewhere back in the late 1600s, we are related to a Danish princess. However, she fell in love with her coachman (or footman or something) and were shunned from the royal family. Her name was stricken from the records and they eloped to America. My dad is really intrigued by this and is trying to find out more information, but, since she was stricken from all records, it’s kinda hard to find her…

Not my family, but when I was in Mexico working on a project, one of the lab techs took a day off to go to his grandparents’ wedding. Now, this is Mexico: it’s not unusual for a man to have more than one family, so people asked if this was the case. No, the bride was, as far as they knew, the groom’s only girlfriend; they had half a dozen kids, two dozen grandkids and had been together for more than 40 years. But they had never lived together or bothered getting married until the great-grandchildren had started asking “why are Gramma and Granpa not married?”
One of my great-grandmothers was a young lady of good breeding from Bilbao. At 17 she got this suitor, a medical student who was also from Bilbao and also descended from one of the men that founded the place (Bilbao is a newborn by Spanish standards, being only 700 years old), but for some reason he was considered unsuitable by her mother. They met again some 12 years later and the old spark didn’t so much get rekindled as discover it had never gone off, so they married despite her family’s threats to disown her - which they did.

He died just a few years later, one of the earliest victims of an epidemic, leaving her with a toddler (my future paternal grandmother) and a newborn. They were taken in by some distant relatives; I’ve met some of their descendants at different times (both my lastname and theirs are rare enough to identify each other easily).

My paternal grandfather’s family all volunteered with the rebel side in the 1936-9 Spanish Civil War. The sisters were originally sent to be nurses, but one of them was such a sargeant that they reassigned her to a warehouse where she’d work under her father, thinking “if he can’t rein her in, nobody can.” She did eventually make sergeant. She also did fall in love with one of the first local policemen to ride motorbikes, and a dashing figure he cut accourding to all. Now, the man was “a gambler, but not too much; a drinker, in moderation; handsome yet not conceited, and his foreparents were known for a long time”; he was employed and doing well; in other words, he was everything a man should be according to the wisdom of the time and place. But alas, the sergeant was her mother’s daughter, and they locked horns over the suitor, which the mother did again not find suitable (note that in neither case do we have a record of the father’s opinion), so they eloped. Eventually they moved to Venezuela; one day when I was living in Miami I called home and was told that one of my second-cousins had established contact with my grandmother and it turns out this cousin’s parents (that is, my father’s cousin and her husband) were living in Miami, 25’ away from my own house. I spent Thanksgiving with them, discovered that a second-cousin of mine had gotten kicked out of the Marines on grounds of Stupidity (1) and convinced her mother to let him become a mechanic like he wanted instead of insisting that he had to be a lawyer. I have no idea why I seem to keep having conversations like that one with people, from relatives I’m meeting for the second time to people whose kids I used to babysit.

1: he hurt his ankle in the obstacle run, didn’t go to the infirmary because We Be Mucho Macho, a couple days later he landed wrong again but one of the DIs saw it and, upon seeing the color and amount of swelling, realized that foot had already been in bad shape. So he got a medical on grounds of Being Too Stupid To Know When To Ask For A Medic.

Great stories. My own is a bit lacking.

In my family’s ancestral photographs, there is a young woman about whom apparently not much is known. A “love child”? I have no idea, but I bet there is a juicy story somewhere.

All of my grandparents got married just in time for my grandfathers to go off to World War II. They all remained married until death, well over 50 years in both cases.

That’s a hell of a lot better than my parents, or anybody else in my family for that matter.

Try looking in records from other countries, that far back it may be difficult, btut where they can expunge their own records, you cant expunge mentions of court visits and gift exchanges from other countries records =) Denmark was on good terms IIRC with France, so some French court records may have mention of a gift exchange, also Sweden might.

I love hearing about other peoples family, the variety is absolutely fascinating.

I am sure mrAru and I are going to be destined to go down in our families as the excentric childless aunt and uncle that give strange and fun presents for christmas =)

I’ve told this before.

When my grandfather’s mind was starting to go he told us about his first date with my grandmother…

The went to a motel. He couldn’t perform so he saw it as a sign from God that this was the woman he was supposed to marry.
My grandmother at that time already had my father. She was fifteen when my Dad’s bio father was stationed in St. Paul during WWII and knocked her up. They married, but the marriage didn’t last longer than the war.

My grandmother was not a prude.

My grandparents met while they were living in Ohio: grandpa was in Norwood and grandma in St. Bernard. Grandpa used to walk to St. Bernard (about an hour walk, according to Google Maps) every day just to see her. Grandpa asked her to marry him. Her family said they would disown her if she did: she was raised Catholic and grandpa was… not. He didn’t go to church, but he was more Protestant than anything. He came back home to KY and told her the offer was open. She was on the next bus, and they married July 23, 1943.

I’ve recently gotten in touch with her family - well, her brother’s children. We’ve been able to share pictures and stories, and I’ve been able to tell them what a wonderful person my grandma was. I’m sad they didn’t get to know her.

Only after I tallied up the months did I realize that one of my great-great-great-grandmothers, Catherine KELLY, was about three months pregnant with my great-great-grandmother when she walked down the aisle.

This 3X-grandmother’s sister Ruth was involved with a man named John Catlin, who had a quarrel of some kind with her brother Abel. She sent Catlin a note saying she would elope with him, but that fell through and her brothers caught up with him. Her brothers Abel and Abram showed up with their uncle and their brother-in-law Jesse Martin to confront him, and Martin shot at Catlin. Catlin returned fire, killing him, and Abel then shot Catlin. Abel and Abram fled to Kentucky and hid out there for several years until things died down. Ruth married a couple of years later and so far as I know had a long and happy life.

I think I’ve told this here before. For a long time my father would tell us his first wedding happened in November of 1928, but he couldn’t remember the date. Easy enough for us to believe, since he had a hard time with our birthdates. It wasn’t until after he died that we found his marriage certificate, showing a date in March, 1929. Apparently he didn’t want to 'fess up, given that my oldest brother was born in September of that same year. The funny thing is, my mother (his second wife) found the certificate once and mentioned to him that she had seen it. The next time she went to find it, it was gone. He wouldn’t admit the truth even to her.

This reminds me of something I’ve read, that basically everyone today who is of European descent – or at least Western European – is descended from Charlemagne. Could this be true? Sounds a stretch, but then we are talking 1200 years of intermixing.

Not only possible, but virtually certain.Here’s an interesting websitediscussing the mathematical model to find the MRCA (most recent common ancestor) of ALL LIVING HUMANS, and the result he reaches is that the MRCA of most, but not quite all, humans lived c. 700 AD-1200 AD. That may seem shockingly recent, but consider pedigree collapse, a fancy term for inbreeding – since your total number of ancestors doubles every generation you go back (ie you have two parents, four grandparents, etc.) within a thousand years or so you should have more ancestors than were alive at that time. Pedigree collapse is how this is possible; cousins marrying cousins. Not all your ancestors are unique ancestors. If we had impeccable genealogies going back thousands of years, the same names would appear over and over again. If you go back to, say, 500 BC, anyone alive at that time is either the ancestor of EVERYONE alive today, or NO ONE alive today.

Charlemagne is just an easy example to use because he’s known to have left many children who in turn left many, many descendants. The probability is virtually certain that every European and every person of European descent is descended from Charlemagne, along with hefty chunks of Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. There’s not anything particularly magical or special about royal families except that they happened to be better documented than their contemporaries.

And of course, Charlemagne predates the Black Death, which would have helped wipe out a lot of any non-descendants too.

Good idea! I’ll pass that along to my dad!

glad to help=)

Swedish might be better than French - the French revolutionaries burned a lot of court documents. Also, portraiture of entire families or of groupings of children. If the portraiture of the family shows 3 girls and 4 boys, and only 2 girls are named in history books, something is dodgy and might indicate your missing princess:D

Evidently almost all Western Europeans are decended from Muhammad as well. Including Wilders. And taking it further possibly Ann Coulter?

I am almost certain I am not descended from Ann Coulter.

Meh, my grandparents eloped too.

My grandmother on my mom’s side initially lived on a farm in Luxembourg (she had stories of the German occupation during WWII). Grandpa met her while he was stationed there and stole her back to the US with him. He had a friend in the service who did likewise with another woman and our two families have been close ever since.