# My heart needed a workout, or 22" of cheesesteak **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2003, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380 "2003-06-12T17:10:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Antonius\_Block](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Antonius\_Block](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antonius_Block)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/21 "2003-06-13T07:02:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > \*\*Here in Northern California we have a series of joints called “The Cheesesteak Shop” and they are pretty damn good. And faithful, from what I gather. \*\* I’ll second **White Lightning** ’s endorsement of the SF Bay Area “Cheesesteak Shops”. There are branches in [San Francisco](http://www.fudcourt.com/stkshop.html) and Oakland (I’ve been to both), plus apparently Berkeley and Walnut Creek as well. I lived in Philadelphia for a short while, and have at least tasted the Real Thing. The Bay Area ones seem perfectly fine to me. Since I’m not a Philly native, no-one who _really_ cares about cheesesteaks is going to listen to my opinion in any case, but there it is. In any case, I doubt if anyone in the above places would dream of putting mayo on any of the available cheesesteaks. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/22 "2003-06-13T07:33:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aholibah \* > \*\*And **Zoid** , there are no good cheesesteaks outside of Philadelphia. \*\* Ahem. I am the God of Cheesesteaks, having made them for seven years plus. I would put one of mine against Pat’s, Geno’s, and Tony Luke’s any day of the year. And I’m from the Harrisburg area. Find your way here and I’ll prove it. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/23 "2003-06-13T07:45:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > **I am the God of Cheesesteaks, having made them for seven years plus. I would put one of mine against Pat’s, Geno’s, and Tony Luke’s any day of the year.** Since you haven’t corrected **pilot141** can we assume his account of making a cheesesteak is correct? Or do you have a different recipe? And this hoagie bun is what exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/24 "2003-06-13T08:00:22Z")
It’s pretty chose. Strictly speaking, for “authenticity” you need Cheez Whiz, although that’s always been a matter of dispute. The traditional roll in question is made by Amoroso’s bakery, although that also is in dispute. [Here is what they look like](http://www.amorosobaking.com/national_distribution.html). Let’s just say that if you served that in Philly you wouldn’t be chased out of town, since that’s really the only standard, whether the surly Philly folk will eat them or not. What we used to do is this: We would get rib meat in what was more or less large hunks, line up the grain and create large slabs of beef, freeze it solid, and then slice it thin on a slicer. Not too thin, mind you, roast beef is a good comparison, or maybe ham. Then you throw it on a grill, cook it up until brown, throw some fried onions on it, drown it in cheese (whatever you wanted), and from there you could desecrate it with whatever nasty stuff appealed to you. In my prime I could take 15 orders at a time, have three different conversations, and have the waiting time down to about three minutes no matter how far back in line you were. As I said, I’m awesome. Ask **Jonathan Chance** or **Weirddave** and they’ll tell you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/25 "2003-06-13T08:23:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by \*\*Antonius Block \*\*\* > There are branches in [San Francisco](http://www.fudcourt.com/stkshop.html) and Oakland (I’ve been to both), plus apparently Berkeley and Walnut Creek as well. And Pinole, and the Pinole branch is actually surprisingly good. I’ve never been to the Walnut Creek one, but the SF, Oakland (Grand Ave) and Berkeley (lower University) are all palatable. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/26 "2003-06-13T11:50:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*Ahem. > > I am the God of Cheesesteaks, having made them for seven years plus. I would put one of mine against Pat’s, Geno’s, and Tony Luke’s any day of the year. > > And I’m from the Harrisburg area. Find your way here and I’ll prove it. \*\* Great. I _had_ to open this thread. Now I want a cheesesteak really bad. Um, sweetheart, if I get off 581 at the Carlisle Pike exit, do I go left or right to get to the restaurant? That’s gonna be our dinner. Robin ---
**Author:** ![joemama24\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@joemama24\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joemama24_98)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/27 "2003-06-13T12:03:13Z")
Damn, I thought everyone put mayo on cheese steak. I am from Florida, tho. I have had a cheese steak in Philly, and it was good. Lately, I’ ve been spending a lot of time in North Central PA (Coudersport). Everyone one there seems like like mayo on everything, including cheese steak. Of course, this is a town where the only vegetables you can get at a restaurant come batter fried, french fries on salad are standard. Please tell me you’re joking about the ketchup on the hot dog thing. I don’t know a single person who does not put ketchup on a hot dog. I like mine like that with mustard and onions also. To each their own. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/28 "2003-06-13T12:22:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by joemama24\_98 \* > \*\*Damn, I thought everyone put mayo on cheese steak. I am from Florida, tho. I have had a cheese steak in Philly, and it was good. > > Lately, I’ ve been spending a lot of time in North Central PA (Coudersport). Everyone one there seems like like mayo on everything, including cheese steak. Of course, this is a town where the only vegetables you can get at a restaurant come batter fried, french fries on salad are standard. > > Please tell me you’re joking about the ketchup on the hot dog thing. I don’t know a single person who does not put ketchup on a hot dog. I like mine like that with mustard and onions also. > > To each their own. \*\* _sigh_ Ketchup does not belong on a hot dog. Yes, it is delicious. But it’s simply not done. The Master has [this](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_095.html) to say on this very subject. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/29 "2003-06-13T12:22:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*As I said, I’m awesome. Ask **Jonathan Chance** or **Weirddave** and they’ll tell you. 🙂 \*\* He is, the boys got talent. Gonna bring that griddle to the party? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/30 "2003-06-13T13:12:40Z")
If I can find it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/31 "2003-06-13T13:31:34Z")
Bring it on, son. I’ll make it worth your while. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/32 "2003-06-13T13:32:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > Ketchup does not belong on a hot dog. Yes, it is delicious. But it’s simply not done. > > The Master has [this](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_095.html) to say on this very subject. Note that the original poster who commented on no ketchup is also from Chicago. Many hot dog places in town, when asked for a hot dog with “everything”/“the works” will dump all sorts of things on it (mustard, onions, celery salt, peppers, etc.) but not ketchup, even if they have it in the restaurant for use with hamburgers and fries. If you ask for it specifically, you’ll at least get a quizzical look and a mental judgement that you’re from out of town. Me, I put ketchup on my hot dogs, but that’s because I’m from Wisconsin originally, and I eat veggie dogs anyway - they hardly count. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Frank\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank_2)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/33 "2003-06-13T13:34:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cleophus \* > \*\*Details, please. What type of cheese? Where? \*\* Got it from a local pizza place around the corner. To be specific I got a pizza steak, which for those not in the know is a cheese steak with pizza sauce on it. My steak also had provolone cheese with a slightly toasted roll. Plus tons of dripping grease. 🙂 What a fantastic lunch, although my arteries would disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Meros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Meros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meros)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/34 "2003-06-13T13:49:42Z")
Ahhhh, the many things you can desecrate a cheesesteak with. My personal favorite addition recently has been pepperoni which, in addition to effectively doubling the volume of my poor abused heart’s screams of agony is actually quite tasty. As far as cheese goes I’ve never cared to much for a 'whiz steak…I make them with a mix of American and Provelone and have yet to get any complaints. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/35 "2003-06-13T14:05:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*Bring it on, son. I’ll make it worth your while. \*\* Oh yeah? I know Dave doesn’t want a rematch. Or does he? 😉 Hell, now that I think about it, why would anyone want to challenge me? I beat Perfection, I won the Cheesesteak Challenge, and I schooled you at Star Wars Trivial Pursuit. I’m already king of the world, what else is left? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Agentakbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Agentakbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agentakbar)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/36 "2003-06-13T14:09:47Z")
Hey all, Does anyone here know where to find a good cheesesteak in New York City? (NOT BB’s. Bleck.) I’ve been dying for one for years, and never have a chance to go to Philly. (Yes, I’ve had the real thing. Many times.) Is there anything in New York that even comes close? A.A. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/37 "2003-06-13T14:47:22Z")
Don’t we have a poster here named **cheesesteak**? Bwhaa! Kinda puts “My heart needed a workout, or 22” of cheesesteak" in a hole new light. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/38 "2003-06-13T16:54:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*Oh yeah? > > I know Dave doesn’t want a rematch. Or does he? 😉 > > Hell, now that I think about it, why would anyone want to challenge me? I beat Perfection, I won the Cheesesteak Challenge, and I schooled you at Star Wars Trivial Pursuit. I’m already king of the world, what else is left? 😃 \*\* Yeah? I’m thinking of having an _Operation_ game at the party. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/39 "2003-06-13T17:15:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **joemama24\_98** \* > To each their own. Absolutely false. There are some things in this world that _are_ black and white, to which there _is_ a “right answer” and a wrong one. Ketchup on hot dogs is one of them. Although if by “to each their own” you mean that some people have the right to be wrong, I agree. That doesn’t make it any less wrong though. ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380/40 "2003-06-13T17:26:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > **Absolutely false. There are some things in this world that _are_ black and white, to which there _is_ a “right answer” and a wrong one. Ketchup on hot dogs is one of them.** Absolutely. Ditto for mayonnaise on cheesesteaks, an abomination I have never heard of before. Oh, and **Airman** make mine a pizza steak, please. Would you mind flying it out here? If you don’t have time a same day FedEx might work. Thanks! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-heart-needed-a-workout-or-22-of-cheesesteak/181380.md?page=3)