# My kid put something bad on the internet...censor the internet NOW! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270 "2008-11-24T17:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/41 "2008-11-25T19:34:37Z")
> [@Fell\_through\_the\_Ice](#): > > Would you be saying that if he were threatening to shut down **this** message board and sue the Chicago Tribune? 😕 I would say that the guy just lost his son; he’s going to do a lot of things that we may see as irrational; lashing out at the internet is one of them. Blaming internet cameras would be another. Blaming the medicine that he used to overdose on would be another. Dad just lost his son that he thought was better off now than he was months ago. This made the father jump to conclusions, find blame, and/or any other thing to grasp to displace the pain and anger over the suicide that he didn’t see coming at this point in time. Dad doesn’t want to blame the son for his own death, but he is willing to irrationally pin blame on the ingredients his son used for his own death. It has nothing to do with who or what he (dad) wants to sue or shut down. Time will make him see that once he gets through the grieving process. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/42 "2008-11-25T20:10:19Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > That view makes no sense. The lack of emotional connection to the person you’re encouraging to commit suicide does not somehow make your act any less cruel – it just makes it easier for you to do. > > ETA: The alternative is sociopathy. You don’t care about Darfur at an emotional level – but you can still think the situation needs to be helped and lobby for that to happen. You don’t know the people you pass on the street –you don’t trip them, though. Do you assume that the cruelty is in the intent or in the result? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/43 "2008-11-26T14:58:16Z")
Streaming video Sites can idemnify themselves easily with a simple test on the front page: Do you intend to kill yourself? Yes No. the yes can redirect to 4chan or somewhere similar. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/44 "2008-11-27T06:39:55Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > But people encouraging someone they don’t know to commit suicide aren’t engaging in cruelty - they don’t know this stranger, and they don’t care about them. Sure, in the abstract we should all aspire to better behaviour than that, but the person being encouraged by people they don’t know can also say, “I don’t know these people, and they don’t know me - I have no reason to care what they say.” You have got to be shitting me. It’s easy to use the distance of it’s only the internet to hide behind expressing things that you wouldn’t dare to say in public, but you’re as responsible for your views nonetheless. People encouraging someone they don’t know to commit suicide **are** engaging in cruelty. They left any claim to just being on the sidelines and watching Darfur happen when they said do it, even if it’s only over the internet. It’s the difference between realizing that horrible things go on every day in the world that you have no control over aside from the vaguest sense and telling someone who is suicidal to do it. Encouraging someone you don’t know over the internet to kill themselves is believe it or not active cruelty. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/45 "2008-11-27T08:55:50Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I would say that the guy just lost his son; he’s going to do a lot of things that we may see as irrational; lashing out at the internet is one of them. Blaming internet cameras would be another. Blaming the medicine that he used to overdose on would be another. > > Dad just lost his son that he thought was better off now than he was months ago. This made the father jump to conclusions, find blame, and/or any other thing to grasp to displace the pain and anger over the suicide that he didn’t see coming at this point in time. Dad doesn’t want to blame the son for his own death, but he is willing to irrationally pin blame on the ingredients his son used for his own death. > > It has nothing to do with who or what he (dad) wants to sue or shut down. Time will make him see that once he gets through the grieving process. Well said! That is a father going through intense grief and feelings of guilt. He is looking for something to blame, something to make it all make sense. Give the man a break. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/46 "2008-11-27T18:40:06Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > \. Encouraging someone you don’t know over the internet to kill themselves is believe it or not active cruelty. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/47 "2008-11-27T19:46:25Z")
> [@calm\_kiwi](#): > > Well said! That is a father going through intense grief and feelings of guilt. He is looking for something to blame, something to make it all make sense. Give the man a break. Then he probably shouldn’t be giving interviews at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/48 "2008-11-28T05:55:31Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > Why? If you have to ask, you’re too fucked up to understand it. Really, you have to ask why telling someone who is suicidal to pull the trigger is active cruelty? Is just because you don’t actually know them an excuse? Really, take it to the real world. If you see a jumper on a high building and you’re one of those saying jump, then guess what? You encouraged it and in doing so you acted with cruelty. You wanted to see it happen and actively encouraged it. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/49 "2008-11-28T06:02:03Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > Then he probably shouldn’t be giving interviews at that time. Welcome to the real world? Cameras in your face and the media camped on your doorstep happens when your own personal tragedy happens and it’s got notoriety, whether you want your son’s death displayed to the world or not. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/50 "2008-11-28T15:20:05Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Welcome to the real world? Cameras in your face and the media camped on your doorstep happens when your own personal tragedy happens and it’s got notoriety, whether you want your son’s death displayed to the world or not. And of course the “media” held a gun to his head and forced him to give them an interview. No one is required to speak to reporters under any circumstances. Personally, I think that people who insist on invading the privacy of people who are suffering from a recent personal tragedy are vultures and ghouls. If anyone ever shoved a microphone in my face and started asking me questions about “how I felt” under similar circumstances they’d be lucky if all they got from me is a direct “Fuck Off!” More likely they’d be looking for a doctor to remove the microphone from whichever of their orifices I’d inserted it. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/51 "2008-11-28T16:25:29Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > And of course the “media” held a gun to his head and forced him to give them an interview. > > No one is required to speak to reporters under any circumstances. Personally, I think that people who insist on invading the privacy of people who are suffering from a recent personal tragedy are vultures and ghouls. If anyone ever shoved a microphone in my face and started asking me questions about “how I felt” under similar circumstances they’d be lucky if all they got from me is a direct “Fuck Off!” More likely they’d be looking for a doctor to remove the microphone from whichever of their orifices I’d inserted it. This was pretty much my point. Hell, I live in LA, media, microphones and cameras central. I’ve seen the paparazzos camped outside of Britney’s place. You still have the option to say no. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/52 "2008-12-01T18:48:57Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > If you have to ask, you’re too fucked up to understand it. > > Really, you have to ask why telling someone who is suicidal to pull the trigger is active cruelty? Is just because you don’t actually know them an excuse? Really, take it to the real world. If you see a jumper on a high building and you’re one of those saying jump, then guess what? You encouraged it and in doing so you acted with cruelty. You wanted to see it happen and actively encouraged it. I want you to articulate why you think it’s a bad thing, rather than just spluttering and saying, “Well, it just IS!” I’ve given reasons here for why apparent cruelty from an anonymous stranger is a morality-neutral thing (and you may note that I have not said anything about my personal opinions about what I would or wouldn’t do in that situation). ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/53 "2008-12-02T21:53:20Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > This was pretty much my point. Hell, I live in LA, media, microphones and cameras central. I’ve seen the paparazzos camped outside of Britney’s place. > > You still have the option to say no. I think the dad’s irrationality is also affecting his judgment in regards to media attention as well. I believe he was reacting before he was thinking when he said what he said. Just me speculating. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270/54 "2008-12-02T23:37:39Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > **There are no good or bad people. They are all evil, but some are on my side.** My new screen saver marqee [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-kid-put-something-bad-on-the-internet-censor-the-internet-now/474270.md?page=2)