What, specifically did you google?
Yes, and I have provided cites.
Do you?
You’re not being harassed. You’re being asked to demonstrate the truth of what you are saying.
No, I don’t think you can. If you could answer any of these questions, you could have done it pages ago. “You’re asking too many questions” isn’t a sensible excuse.
It should be obvious to you by now that the things you think are common knowledge and “things we all should know” actually are not. This is mostly because the things you are saying are factually wrong. Saying over and over again “you know I’m right” is not an argument.
You’re misstating your own post now. You said gay activists are publishing magazine articles and things to encourage other gays to participate in studies about gay adoption, and further, you implied this makes survey results unreliable and that some of them were adopting children they didn’t even want just so they could participate in the studies and make gay marriage look good. (That was especially silly.) Wouldn’t it be easier to just admit you can’t prove it and that your friend was talking out his ass?
It’s the truth. Sorry: the world does not unanimously share David42’s convictions.
No, you keep making baseless claims, then insisting that everyone should know them. And you keep distorting what I say, regardless of how many times I correct you.
No. Nobody cared but you. No one but you thought it was important in any way. You just kept bringing it up like it mattered and getting huffy when nobody cared.
Except that in recent years crime has gone down.
Yes you did, repeatedly.
Since most of your claims are baseless on your part, it isn’t surprising we don’t “know” them.
No, it’s you throwing out a bunch of baseless nonsense to justify your desire to persecute homosexuals and most people in the thread demanding evidence.
“that the surveys were unreliable because gays were manipulating the results,” see, there are just too many variables that are similar to what I said but not what I said and people still bringing up stuff that I partially retracted. No one is willing to resolve impasses in how debates ought to work except to say your side is right. I don’t care how many of you play this game.
I never said gays manipulate survey data. quit the games and be agreeable and stop arguing your own authority–meaning “I don’t know so it can’t be true.” Tell you what, I will fetch you a link to a guide to logical fallacies. I honestly believe you really do not know about that.
You have been abusing, bullying, misquoting, making insults at me since my first post.
You said repeatedly that you were concerned they were adopting children just so same-sex couples would look good. It wasn’t limited to survey data alone, but you suggested they were adopting children just to manipulate the public image of same-sex couples.
Of course you also said
And we now know you were completely wrong. There have been dozens of studies on same-sex couples for many years, and they show same sex couple do just as well as raising children. You were wrong about that, and your argument about gays damaging marriage has collapsed so badly that you’re left trying to win an argument about surveys rather than about your original point.
Questioning or disputing the accuracy of another poster’s statements–“I don’t think that’s right”, “That’s incorrect”, “You are mistaken”, or even “That’s not true”-- is what Great Debates is all about. However, questioning the intent of another poster in making an arguably false statement–e.g., “You are a liar”, “You are lying”, “That is a lie”, “That’s not true and you darned well know it isn’t true”–is crossing the line into attacking the other poster rather than attacking the other poster’s arguments, and will be considered a violation of the rules of the forum.
bold emphasis is mine.
MEBuckner in the stickies.
I note he discusses attacking a person’s motivations, here. I think claiming my arguments are nothing but to persecute gays qualifies.
You are incorrect, and you will leave the moderating to the moderators from now on. I am getting tired of dealing with this. If you junior moderate again I will lock the thread and warn you formally. Throughout this thread you’ve been accusing people of abusing you, ganging up on you, and of being dishonest (by saying they are playing dumb and ignoring things they know to be true). This entire conversation has become pointless and it won’t take much to convince me to shut it down. If you want to keep it going, stop doing this.
David42, using your debating tactics, what’s to stop me from making any claim I like, and then saying “It’s common knowledge! It’s common knowledge! It’s common knowledge!” when questioned as to the evidence for it?
E.g., I claim it’s common knowledge that Bill Clinton had polio as a child. You’ve never heard that, and find it unlikely. No one else in the thread seems to have heard it either. You all ask me for evidence. I refuse to provide any, and say “It’s common knowledge that Bill Clinton had polio as a child. My buddy Greg heard it on the news. It’s common knowledge! Why are you being so obstructionist as to not acknowledge it?”. You remain unconvinced, but I continue to insist it’s common knowledge, that if you asked your friends, you’d find most of them know that Bill Clinton had polio as a child. You find that doubtful, so I began shouting how, if there were a debate judge, they would almost certainly declare that “Yes, it’s common knowledge that Bill Clinton had polio as a child”, at least if they had any integrity. You are rather unimpressed with the weight of evidence I can bring to bear on the claim.
Do you see how what you are doing is just the same thing? Or are you convinced now that Bill Clinton had polio as a child?
As a moderator I think maybe you might should take a look at some of the peripheral bullshit going on here.
der trihs has more than once and again just now is making character assasinations about my motivations. he stopped yesterday but just can’t stop talking about my lies in order to persecute gays.
Its in the rules, I have asked him politely to stop, and he doesn’t.
Please deal with it.
That’s your reply to *that *post? Seriously? You don’t have any integrity, do you?
I would have kept my word and provided a cite if Marley would have said a simple, I asked three people and they all said no, at her word, even if she didn’t really do it. Would have been solved then. I’m up to four people now and one doesn’t remember gay activists in the news. Most remeber a lot of things gay activists have said.
Do you have an alternate proposal for a way to work common knowledge other than abandoning common knowledge or accepting the logical fallacy of “I don’t know so most can’t?”
“No one else in the thread seems to have heard it either.” would be a little more meaningful if it wasn’t actually “No one else in the thread who disagrees with you seems to have heard it either.” Notice everyone who is making this claim just happens to take the opposite position from me. Proponents of gay marriage alone disagree about common knowledge. Convenient, with all the various things they claim not to know.
I don’t do requests. And I just asked you to stop trying to moderate this thread on your own, so I have no choice but to step this up and warn you formally. If you want to keep this discussion going, stop complaining and bring cites.
I’m a man, but more importantly, I don’t think you understand how things work here. Cites are expected and do not have to be earned, and a lot of people asked you to support that claim- not just me. It is not worth my time to annoy people with pointless questions about gay activists, and it doesn’t get at the truth of the matter. Aat this point I’m forced to conclude you are deliberately wasting everybody’s time. If you knew of examples of this kind of thing, you easily could have posted them.
Now you’re implying also negative implications about my motivations. Integrity deals with honesty, are you claiming me a liar?
Its gone from overwhelming misquotes and confusion to character assasination.
I think we’re done here. The debate was weak enough; the squabbling is not worth the bandwidth. I’m locking this thread.