You’ve done no such thing. You’ve simply asserted it to be true and refused to explain how that could even be possible when asked.
Then she’s a bigot. And an idiot.
Unless I try to force you to marry another man that’s nonsense. While you think you can impose your definition of marriage on millions of people.
All the time. Why do you think we have, say property laws? Because we aren’t some hive species and don’t want to share everything with everyone else. We could create some legal system where everything in for example San Diego belonged to everyone in San Diego collectively; but we don’t because we don’t like to live that way. We’ve set up a system of laws designed in part to conform to human desires, like the desire for private property, privacy, special privileges between parents and children, and so on.
The person demanding the creation of a special class here is you. You want homosexuals to be treated as third class citizens. Not even second class; mass murderers can marry, but homosexuals?! David42 says no! They have cooties!
No they don’t. They boil down to the fact that there’s no good reason to forbid it, and that permitting it is fair. “Straight marriage advocates” (a term about as accurate as “pro-life”) are criticized because it’s a position with no reasonable basis to it, a position based purely on the desire to persecute homosexuals with no redeeming qualities.
Nonsense. You assert that gays to participate in marriage diminishes marriage. I assert that an attitude such as that implies a very negative attitude towards gays. If you thought gay relationships were significant and wonderful you would have no problem welcoming them into the institution of marriage. I have a successful marriage based on any definition and gays marrying does nothing to improve or diminish my marriage. The success or failure of my marriage is between my husband and myself.
Making claims about marriage is based on natural, non-artificial procreation is a smoke screen to justify your position. There is no justification for not allowing same sex marriage that doesn’t have at it’s core nothing more than an emotional, knee jerk distaste for gay relationships.
That may be right and you are free to think so. My argument against gay marriage isn’t that I find it personally distasteful. My argument is that as a society the institution of marriage is breaking down at an increasing rate over at least seventy years and that gay marriage adds to that.
We have to look at what is best for raising children, and all the evidence we have points to a male father and female mother as best. broken families of divorce have been shown to be less than optimum and the reason is loss of one parent. Maybe if in fifty years of gays raising children in large numbers we will have evidence that it does no harm. But we do not have that evidence in hand now.
I do not buy the argument that we first must accept gay marriage and then get the evidence that it is in the best interest of children to artificially create families wholesale in this manner. Especially if the children are obtained by these families as pawns to create the evidence rather than love of the child for itself. Children are not pawns for social agendas. Especially when the only factor is self-gratification of gays so that they can feel they are the same thing as an opposite sex couple and nothing more. Gays aren’t the same, quit pretending they are.
Of course, you’ve repeatedly refused to explain how that could possibly work.
No it doesn’t, there’s no evidence than homosexual parents do a worse job. And even if there was, so what? There are no “ideal parents”, everyone is flawed.
But indulging in the gratification of your baseless sense of superiority over homosexuals is just fine, naturally. :rolleyes:
I’m glad that you have a sucessful and happy marriage. I’ve had two ruined ones, in both cases because of permissive societal attitudes which take anything meaningful out of marriage. Both my wives left because they were attracted to someone new and I did nothing wrong. My current gf says she will never marry anyone because it is a meaningless proposition–nothing enforces it whatsoever.
Now, if you’d bother correcting your assumptions about me, the only gays I dislike are ones who try to seduce me after I make it clear I am not interested. I’m not against gays. I’m against gay marriage. Personally I have been very kind to gays as individuals and have a live and let live attitude, and in the past have been politically active supporting gays as far as discrimination in housing jobs, medical care and other necessities of life.
Getting a break intended primarily to protect children when its impossible to have them is not a necessity and I draw the line there in my support of gays.
My personal experiences have a lot to do with my views, as anyone else’s. I am not motivated by hate of gays but by love of children.
its even possible that I could change my mind if proper evidence were shown to me. But everything I look at is manipulated by gays who then scream “Hater! Homophobe! Bigot!” if I point out a perceived flaw.
If gays started using legitimate reasoning tactics and good evidence instead, I might be persuaded.
But telling me I hate gays is not persuasive when I in fact have been very kind to all gays who behave themselves. i.e., not become convinced I accept them because I am secretly gay and if they try enough times I will have sex with them. As long as they understand it ain’t happening, I treat them like anybody else.
Please accept that, and my different point of view created by different experiences.
You just won’t stop addressing my personal qualities.
I have also asked you to have a look at the longer posts I originally made where these things ARE explained and sufficiently argued.
There is no evidence that gays do as good a job. They make the claim, but its on them to prove it, but it always gets twisted backwards into straights can’t prove gay is bad for child rearing. The duty to provide proof is one the one making the claim. Prove it.
Ah. So your marriages broke up purely because of “permissive social attitudes” - it wasn’t your fault at all - and you’re so hot that gays are harassing you.
Which means you are against gays. Just as supporting segregation meant you were against non-whites.
And the hundreds of marital rights and privileges that have nothing to do with children don’t matter, of course. :rolleyes:
Yet you refuse to address the point by point destruction of marriage post I made, instead sticking to cherry picking one line at a time. Please go read the earlier post which does in fact make the showing you claim I avoid.
Neither you nor anyone else has ever done that. nor am I the only one asking for an explanation as to how homosexuals getting married will magically harm marriage.
Of course there’s evidence. People like you have repeatedly made this argument, but it’s baseless. It’s just an another example of how opposition to SSM is based wholly on hatred.
No it doesn’t. You just asserted that homosexuals getting married harms marriage without providing any evidence how that’s even possible. Which is why I and others keep demanding that you actually come up with such a rationale. You just seem to think that homosexuals getting married will harm other marriages by some kind of sympathetic magic, like a voodoo doll.
“Dr. Lamb likes to talk about this rich deep literature and he doesn’t have any studies that are married, biological parents,” the optimum for raising children, Thompson told the judge. Instead studies mixed married and unmarried heterosexual couples, which Lamb conceded was often the case.
Did you take that part of it and consider it fairly, or simply dismiss it as hatred?
Dr. Lamb studied the wrong thing. Sure, children raised by gays may be no worse off than children from broken single parent homes.
Now, do you have any real studies where natural nuclear man +woman families ALONE are compared to children in gay families ALONE?
David, objectively speaking, you are getting your ass handed to you in this thread. (It’s OK, that doesn’t mean you’re gay.) Thanks, though, for providing specific examples of the kind of silly, illogical, magical thinking that I was talking about in the OP.
:rolleyes: That argument makes no sense at all. As well as being incredibly insulting for someone who supposedly has nothing against homosexuals.
If someone across the country eats sewage, does it hurt my nutrition? No. If someone across the country marries a same sex partner does it hurt a straight marriage? No.
Oh God, this is almost painful to watch. Look, I’ll start up a collection to send you to Remedial Metaphor School, OK, David? No one should have to live their life this way.