# "My Naked Truth" or what I call "Bullshit" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228 "2014-07-15T21:59:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/121 "2014-07-16T17:46:28Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Guy here. _Old_ guy. Experienced enough to know all about smooth skin, old enough to be quite familiar with wrinkles. And I too am going with the ‘bullshit’. As others have said, it isn’t any single circumstance, it is the cumulative scenario. > So yeah, this story still sounds like BS. Yep, BS. What I think is that he did beg off, gave no good reason, and she posted what she _thought_ his excuse was. What’s more likely is ED or she had something else like body odor. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/122 "2014-07-16T17:55:11Z")
Y’know, I just read it again, and I realized that another reason I doubt it’s veracity is the fact that it’s so excessively evocative-- it’s just badly written because it’s overwritten. It strikes me as imaginative, and not honest. Also, the quotes don’t sound like what people would say. Even if the man was turned off by her physicality, would he say “Your body is too wrinkly”? That’s just too Our Bodies Ourselves, or something. I think he’d say something more along the lines of “Your skin is more wrinkled than I thought it would be.” And I doubt she would forget the exact wording. I also doubt he would come out and say he was _spoiled_ by younger women. That sounds like her conclusion. He’d be more likely to say something like “I usually go out with younger women, and that’s what I’m used to.” So, maybe there is a rejection episode somewhere in her past, but I don’t think this is a very accurate reporting of it. I would go so far as to call it disingenuous. And that’s assuming that _something_ happened. Maybe she’s claiming a friend’s experience, or maybe it’s entirely made up, but it doesn’t feel honest to me. ---
**Author:** ![jayrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@jayrey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayrey)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/123 "2014-07-16T17:59:14Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Y’know, if she had a little subcutaneous fat, maybe she wouldn’t be so wrinkly. > > Is it remotely possible that something like this really happened, and the guy was actually turned off because she was _too_ skinny? This just now occurred to me. This is what I was wondering about. I’m 57, not particularly overweight but not skinny either and I’m not wrinkly. None of my friends in that age range who have a couple of extra pounds are wrinkly either. I wonder if **RivkahChaya** is right and this woman was in fact too skinny. Several guys have said over the years that they like a little “pillowing” in their women. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/124 "2014-07-16T18:07:13Z")
Maybe the “younger women” that spoiled this guy were prostitutes? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/125 "2014-07-16T18:08:43Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I’m going to only address this one point, as the rest has become incredibly tedious and I no longer give a shit. Am I reading what followed correctly as _basically_ arguing you feel you’re probably right since you’re in the majority? That’s not a criticism, I’m actually asking, because I’m not certain whether that’s what you meant or not. Just to clarify one other point–you didn’t find it particularly insulting when I referred to how many human beings you know, did you? ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/126 "2014-07-16T18:14:44Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Y’know, I just read it again, and I realized that another reason I doubt it’s veracity is the fact that it’s so excessively evocative-- it’s just badly written because it’s overwritten. It strikes me as imaginative, and not honest. Also, the quotes don’t sound like what people would say. I often read the op-eds from The Guardian, and this is just like what they churn out every day. Female author claims to have had a poor experience with a man, tells an unlikely story about it with incredibly false-sounding dialogue and extrapolates at will until their anecdote is iron-clad evidence of whatever truth about society keeps the pay cheques coming. It works. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/127 "2014-07-16T18:15:46Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Maybe the “younger women” that spoiled this guy were prostitutes? Maybe the “younger women” who spoiled this guy were guys. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/128 "2014-07-16T18:24:42Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > I often read the op-eds from The Guardian, and this is just like what they churn out every day. Female author claims to have had a poor experience with a man, tells an unlikely story about it with incredibly false-sounding dialogue and extrapolates at will until their anecdote is iron-clad evidence of whatever truth about society keeps the pay cheques coming. It works. And that’s part of my problem (if you could call it that) with this article. Now if you look at the comments to her piece, you’ll notice a particular demographic pattern who will likely share this story and let it propagate in social media without doing any fact-checking or critical analysis (not that there’s much that really could be done). My favorite comment is about how this guy is representative of the majority of all men, presuming that the commenting person has been victim to boorish behavior from those bearing the XY chromosome. The person who made this statement has her Facebook profile photo a picture of her giving the finger. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/129 "2014-07-16T18:29:00Z")
> [@jayrey](#): > > This is what I was wondering about. I’m 57, not particularly overweight but not skinny either and I’m not wrinkly. None of my friends in that age range who have a couple of extra pounds are wrinkly either. I wonder if **RivkahChaya** is right and this woman was in fact too skinny. Several guys have said over the years that they like a little “pillowing” in their women. If that’s a real picture of the author in the article, she looks a lot older than 59, and she is really thin. She looks older than my 74 year-old-mother, albeit, my mother doesn’t look anything like 74, so it isn’t really a fair comparison. But she looks “old,” to me, and if I had to guess from the picture, I’d put her well into her 60s. What was the point of that article, anyway? “sticks and stones”? It’s been done. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/130 "2014-07-16T18:34:12Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > What was the point of that article, anyway? “sticks and stones”? It’s been done. She has a book that just came out, as well as a “free, motivational app.” I’m half-tempted to download it, just to see what pearls of wisdom she has to offer. ---
**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/131 "2014-07-16T18:34:18Z")
\*\*Faithfool \*\*summarizes this up most succinctly in this sentence. “Now, for the last billionth time, I can see parts of that scenario happening simultaneously. I cannot see them happening all together at once.” Needless to say, I am not buying Robin Korth’s book. Authentic, she ain’t ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/132 "2014-07-16T18:52:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep, BS. What I think is that he did beg off, gave no good reason, and she posted what she _thought_ his excuse was. > > What’s more likely is ED or she had something else like body odor. There was certainly _something_ wrong with their budding relationship. And in addition to whatever that was, there’s the complicating problem of their inability to communicate with each other. Really, a couple doesn’t get past the first dates without there arising some issue or other on which compromise is needed. He hates chick flicks, she can’t stand movie gore, what are they going to watch? Or perhaps more to the point, he dislikes public displays of affection, she wants to hold hands on the bus. These are things to be talked about, not just to settle small matters but to build a foundation for working through other, weightier problems. So by the time they get to 48 hours of straight naked snuggling, and Roger still refuses to salute, there should be a discussion. He might be apologetic, “I don’t know what’s wrong, this doesn’t usually happen! Maybe I’ll have another drink.” And for her part “It’s all right, I’m sure it’s nothing important. Don’t feel intimidated, all I want is whatever you’re comfortable with.” Or the opposite, with recriminations from either side. See, they might both be nice people, or both be assholes, or one of each. I don’t care either way. But however I might handle it, and however you (generic you) might, I think the least likely scenario is the couple just ignoring the enormous, uncomfortable elephant in the room for 72 hours then _going home with neither reassurances nor a fight_. There’s just no verisimilitude in this version. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/133 "2014-07-16T18:55:53Z")
Maybe she ended up dating [The Atlanta Douchebag](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=536893). ---
**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/134 "2014-07-16T19:04:34Z")
So, I delved into the commentary @ Huffpo. This comment, even though I agree with most of it, is just priceless. Do people actually talk like this? “There is some imbalance in perception and understanding here. Sure objectification is one of the sore legacies of patriarchy and a masculine-dominant social narrative. But it can be a slippery slope if the so-called ‘objectifier’ is also objectified in a hasty gesture of reactivity. The feminine must also be able to hold space for authentic reflection from both sides, instead of quickly jumping into a victim mode. Physical and emotional realities of arousal, intimacy and empathy cannot be unilaterally forced or demanded, and they need to be allowed their own unfolding in a non-threatening, non-judgmental environment. Ultimately, the choice of being ‘hurt’ is a personal choice, the responsibility of which cannot be ‘outsourced’ to the other. I would love to hear the voice of Dave too, so that this delicate subject achieves greater wholeness of perspective and depth of nuance.” or “I’d like to hear Dave’s side of this story.” ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/135 "2014-07-16T19:10:36Z")
We really need a laughing smiley. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/136 "2014-07-16T19:15:41Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Am I reading what followed correctly as _basically_ arguing you feel you’re probably right since you’re in the majority? That’s not a criticism, I’m actually asking, because I’m not certain whether that’s what you meant or not. > > Just to clarify one other point–you didn’t find it particularly insulting when I referred to how many human beings you know, did you? That would be a little difficult since I started stating my opinion on the matter in post #4 in this thread. No, the reason to show that was to simply illustrate the vast number of people (which has gone up, I see) who think that story isn’t on the up-and-up and hope that those who are still being, erm, cautious (Is that kind enough? Everything else sounded too derogatory.) should consider the old saw about “If almost everyone thinks you’re wrong, it may be time to reconsider.” And about insults… 1.) They have more sting if they are original. Or at least, not immediately parroted back to the originator. Just saying. And 2.) you have to care about the other person’s opinion for it to hurt. So, there’s your answer. Didn’t bother me in the slightest and my lunch was good, albeit too short. Now, hon, I’m truly done replying to your inane comments. I’m still laughing over me being a “slut shamer.” Perhaps I should get a custom title? So, have a nice day. I’m done tripping over your “But I’m a nice guy who wouldn’t doooooo that!” baggage. > [@jayrey](#): > > This is what I was wondering about. I’m 57, not particularly overweight but not skinny either and I’m not wrinkly. None of my friends in that age range who have a couple of extra pounds are wrinkly either. I wonder if **RivkahChaya** is right and this woman was in fact too skinny. Several guys have said over the years that they like a little “pillowing” in their women. That’s a very good analysis by you and **Rivkah** and because of her own perceptions of her looks, maybe she projects them onto others. Hell, look at how much projection we’ve had in this thread alone. We could power The Straight Dope Movie Theatre! > [@Bozuit](#): > > I often read the op-eds from The Guardian, and this is just like what they churn out every day. Female author claims to have had a poor experience with a man, tells an unlikely story about it with incredibly false-sounding dialogue and extrapolates at will until their anecdote is iron-clad evidence of whatever truth about society keeps the pay cheques coming. It works. See, that’s so sad. I was raised in a home with a mother that was a men basher and it seriously fucks with your head. It took a long time to shake off the mantle of “All men are awful / evil / nasty!” and replace it with something closer to reality; some are, most ain’t. If that’s what passes as journalism today, it’s doing a huge disservice to everyone everywhere. > [@RivkahChaya](#): > > What was the point of that article, anyway? “sticks and stones”? It’s been done. To prop up herself up and make money. :rolleyes: I also think that someone hit the nail on the head with talking about critical thinking. Many stories that pull people in go as far as they do because it gets people where they live. In this case, men taking umbrage about something that’s never even been brought up (like the fact that they’ll screw anything), women who’ve been rejected and identify with the author, and those who can see it _might could_ happen like that (if you squint real hard), so feel safer erring on the side of caution. It taps an emotional response and, again, instead of looking at what _specifically_ is the target of their ire, they’re off and running on adrenalin alone.not willing to back down for a second because that means… something. I dunno, that’s an internet symptom in general, so it is what it is. Anyway, good find, **fisha**. I hope I remain skeptical and discerning as I become old and wrinkly. Whether I’ve got some fella to approve or not. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/137 "2014-07-16T19:18:08Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > We really need a laughing smiley. Yes. That’s priceless. But I’m guilty of being way too verbose (without, hopefully, tossing a word salad into the mix), so I can understand the sickness that is needing to use 237 words when 4 will do. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/138 "2014-07-16T20:06:57Z")
> [@fisha](#): > > So, I delved into the commentary @ Huffpo. > > This comment, even though I agree with most of it, is just priceless. Do people actually talk like this? Grad students. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/139 "2014-07-16T20:13:18Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Grad students. This. When I was an English major, I took a class on Literary Theory with grad students - probably about 10 of us in the class, with only a few undergrads. So, as the semester went on, I got to be friends with the preceptor and he would talk about how tiring it was to read their papers because they would take paragraphs to say things that could be encapsulated in a sentence, with lines upon lines of superfluous padding. I quickly learned that, if a paper had a suggested length of 10 - 15 pages, and I could say it in 10, to do so, since three extra pages of semantic masturbation would only hurt my grade, because it diluted the actual content of my post (and would make me seem like a pompous douchebag). ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228/140 "2014-07-16T20:16:33Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > QFT > > When I was in my early 20’s I had a girlfriend who repeatedly tried to get me to let her friend suck my dick or have a three way. She felt sorry for her because she didn’t have a boyfriend and was always complaining that no one would touch her. > > I finally had to tell her in no certain terms to drop it 'cause it wasn’t happening. The problem was that her friend was just the most unpleasant person I had met up to that point. She took it very personally that she didn’t have a boyfriend and was bitter, sarcastic, and mean spirited. > > Bottom line, if I don’t want to even be in the same room with you, I’m sure not gonna fuck you. Believe it or not personality counts, even for women. This seems really unlikely to have actually happened as described based on my experience of women. They really aren’t much on having their SO throw their loser friends a pity fuck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-naked-truth-or-what-i-call-bullshit/693228.md?page=8)