My obesity: Finally an answer that makes sense!

I should have written:

Sugars are one important part of the equation

All calories may not be equal, but eating a whole lot of any type of calories can still be very bad.

Do you still agree? Or do you only care about added sugars to the exclusion of everything else?

I have no idea, that’s outrageous. What the hell was that cow into … it’s way off the scale - is it flavoured or something?

This is how it is in the UK for different types of regular milk - there iss a particular thing with milk in that the sugar is lactose , which is natural but it’s in sufficient quantities to me meaningful on a label. Some of these are diff sizes:

I care about a lot but this thread is about sugar.

I guess you’re talking now about the ‘balanced diet’ thing or ‘everything in moderation’, which of course is common sense.

I don’t know what to say it’s pretty straight forward: stick to your 2500 a day, and within that try to keep under or around 32g of labelled sugar: BOOM!

Based on the studies, I’d say that’s one good way to control your weight, but not the only way nor always the best way. If it works for you, fantastic.

Re manson’s question:

Per the expert guidelines (American Heart Association, WHO, proposed guidelines in comment period at the FDA, etc.), not for the sugars that occur naturally in the milk, but yes to any that have been added. So if the only ingredient is milk, no, if there is a sweetener on the ingredient list then some of it counts and either you can try to calculate it or just pick a milk without added sugars.

To be clear, the negative impacts of added sugar go way beyond increased obesity risk alone and may increase the health risks of each level of obesity.

That site says regular cow’s milk has around 5g of sugar per 100ml, which is half a cup. So one cup would be 10g of sugar.

My question still stands, it is on a label, do I count that as part of my 32g of sugar or not?

That sounds complicated. The OP said to simply count the amount of sugar that is on the labels of the foods I eat and try to keep the total under 32g.

I feel like I got to do some thing like ‘i am not a doctor’ or something, and ask if your lactose intolerant, etc

Milk is a little different because (a) unlike grapes, you can drink the stuff in pretty decent volumes and (b) the natural sugar you’re talking about in milk is lactose.

Do you count it? Yes and no :smiley: Personally, I’d count it because you can knock up proper volume but maybe cut in half what you count because it is after all natural.

etc, etc about not being your doctor …

And that may work fine for the op. It will likely go lower than the 10% as natural sugars will sometimes be counted too … but that is certainly okay. Or the op will actually cook and eat real food more often.

Not sure though what is complicated about picking a milk that only contains milk … but sure if that is too hard for you then don’t do it.

You’re right to say it’s about control because thats the thing; it’s a really key piece of information that just isn’t out there well enough. With it, I do feel in control - I’m finally comfortable about how my weight has been happening.

Knowedge is power, right? :slight_smile:

Def. I’m all about chicken and rice tonight :slight_smile:

I don’t think regular milk exists that doesn’t have sugar in it.

I am also having a small box of raisins that show on the label to have 20g of sugar in it. And I have a cup of coffee to which I added 1 tsp of sugar to (3 g). This, in addition to the 1/2 of milk I had (5g) gives me 28g of sugar, all read off of a label. NOW you are telling that I CAN’T simply read the labels, like the OP said?

I didn’t know this it’s kind of cool:

But it isn’t added sugar, so that should be okay, right?

I never thought of raisins as processed before. Natural sugar with processed food - who knew.

Is that the only trap door or are there others to know about?

Yes. The expert guidance is for added sugar (and not even primarily as a weight control measure. Milk’s natural sugar is considered okay by those guidelines. OP is fine avoiding all listed sugar on a label but that is not what the expert guidance advises. Personally I am of the mindset that juice should be restricted too even those it is not “added sugar” but the guidelines do not go that far.

Again, the way the op is doing it is a fine shortcut that would do a pretty good job of identifying foods to avoid and that would very likely guide him/her to a healthy mix of foods that aren high satiety and moderate palatability. But of course one can create a diet with no added sugar that causes weight gain and is unhelathy if one tries. It is not true that only added sugar matters.

Perfect summary of my views on this.

You know that raisens are just dried grapes, right? which means that the only thing missing is the water portion.

How can they be any worse than the same amount of grapes?

Well that is the plan. If there are other outliers like raisins them I’d like to hear about them Otherwise it looks like a very decent plan without getting obsessed and given how hard is to eat right.

I’m not Mr Google. Check it out feller and let us know.