# My scroll bar arrows went AWOL **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 10, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410 "2014-01-10T00:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/21 "2014-01-31T13:13:47Z")
> [@Karen\_Lingel](#): > > I disowned Chrome. I installed Firefox. Firefox won’t load my [sites.google.com](http://sites.google.com) pages. I uninstalled Firefox. Now I am using Internet Explorer like a _cave man_. A fricken CAVE MAN! > > I am this close to deciding to go 100% Google-free. Is it possible? You could try Opera! [Or maybe not…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=697166) ETA: Yeah, there isn’t a browser now that I like anymore, either. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/22 "2014-01-31T17:28:03Z")
> [@ZenBeam](#): > > You could try Opera! [Or maybe not…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=697166) > ETA: Yeah, there isn’t a browser now that I like anymore, either. Opera is essentially Chrome with a different skin, anyway. Its internals [are still Google-controlled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(layout_engine)). If you’re serious about phasing out Google cuz you’re that pissed at them, you could live within the (horrendous) Microsoft ecosystem with Bing, Live Mail, Office Online, SkyDrive, etc. Internet Explorer’s newest versions are actually pretty good (especially if you ever end up with a Windows 8 touchscreen computer – its touch support is super smooth and responsive). Or you could live within the Apple ecosystem and use Safari, whatever Apple’s online services are called, etc. But, really, wait a few weeks and the arrows will come back to Chrome stable. And then a few months later Google will do something else to piss off half its userbase, but we’ll rant about that later… ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/23 "2014-01-31T17:49:46Z")
> [@Karen\_Lingel](#): > > I am this close to deciding to go 100% Google-free. Is it possible? I never thought I’d see the day but I’m trying to disengage myself from Google as much as possible as well. I’ve just about decided that they are the most evil entity on the planet right now. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/24 "2014-01-31T18:22:26Z")
> [@Karen\_Lingel](#): > > I can’t live without the scroll arrows. Say what you want about the superiority of the slider-thingy, but I hate it. The amount of scroll per movement of the slider is different on all the pages. When I need to scroll, I have to drive my mouse to a different area of the screen each time, taking my eyes off what I am reading. The slider suckity-suck-sucks and I rarely use it. Can I ask why clicking the up or down arrow on your keyboard isn’t an option? ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/25 "2014-01-31T18:35:27Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Can I ask why clicking the up or down arrow on your keyboard isn’t an option? It’s not that people can’t adapt, but why should they be forced to? We mortals use browsers to access websites, not to volunteer as UI design guinea pigs. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/26 "2014-01-31T19:01:57Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > It’s not that people can’t adapt, but why should they be forced to? The issue that Karen has with no arrows is that her only other option sounded as if it was the scroll bar. There’s another option - using the up and down keys. I don’t really know why Chrome took away her arrows - and I don’t know how to fix that. I was just trying to helpfully point out that she didn’t have to “drive [her] mouse to a different area of the screen each time, taking [her] eyes off what [she is] reading”. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/27 "2014-01-31T19:03:05Z")
There have been many other threads about this in the past. If you can’t find a way to fix it, you can always use the search tool and prob find a way. ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/28 "2014-01-31T19:35:09Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Opera is essentially Chrome with a different skin, anyway. Its internals [are still Google-controlled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(layout_engine)). That’s for Opera 15, not Opera 12. If you read through that thread, Opera 12 Vs. Opera 15 is discussed. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_is_the_new_Analog)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/29 "2014-02-01T03:57:27Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Can I ask why clicking the up or down arrow on your keyboard isn’t an option? Sure. 1. The arrow keys move your cursor, not the visible window. The action is different. If I’m looking for an e-mail, for instance, the scroll bar may show me subjects of various mail…but the arrow key will cause it to render and display each mail message along the way. 2. I use the scroll bar to look back in a long thread - by keeping the button pressed, I used to be able to move my cursor away from the scroll bar and snap back to the original location. The same change that got rid of scroll bars killed this feature. Arrows don’t bring it back. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410/30 "2014-02-01T10:16:51Z")
> [@ZenBeam](#): > > That’s for Opera 15, not Opera 12. If you read through that thread, Opera 12 Vs. Opera 15 is discussed. Given how quickly web technologies are changing these days, it’s probably not a good idea to rely on an abandoned renderer. Compared to the Big Three, Opera was irrelevant to begin with, and after switching to Blink they’re now just another antique brand name waiting to be bought out, kinda like RCA or Winamp or Westinghouse or Yahoo. There’s no such thing as web standards, only “Does it work with Trident, Gecko, and Webkit?” Using anything else is pretty much guaranteed to cause much larger headaches than missing scroll arrows. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-scroll-bar-arrows-went-awol/678410.md?page=1)