# My September 11 Thoughts
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [June 4, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989 "2014-06-04T02:41:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 28
### Author:  [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/541 "2014-06-17T14:31:45Z")
> [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> Are experiments too difficult for the nation that _put men on the Moon_?
Oh, so on _that_ issue you believe the _official_ story, huh?
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/542 "2014-06-17T14:35:49Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> Oh, so on _that_ issue you believe the _official_ story, huh?
Well, if we put a man on the Moon then obviously we should be able to build models that ignore the square-cube laws, right?
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### Author:  [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/543 "2014-06-17T18:01:59Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> > [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> > Are experiments too difficult for the nation that put men on the Moon?
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> > psik
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> Oh, so on _that_ issue you believe the _official_ story, huh?
I don’t. My scale model of the Apollo 11 never left the lower aptmosphere.
_Case closed._
Did **Psik** fail to notice that in the Scientific American article they mention they created models? They probably were to his specification though.
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### Author:  [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/544 "2014-06-17T20:09:47Z")
> [@Gedd](#):
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> Did **Psik** fail to notice that in the Scientific American article they mention they created models? They probably were to his specification though.
\*weren’t
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### Author:  [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/545 "2014-06-17T20:31:42Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> Oh, so on _that_ issue you believe the _official_ story, huh?
Everyone knows the reason we faked the moon landing was because we weren’t able to build a model of the actual moon upon which to practice landing.
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### Author:  [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/546 "2014-06-17T20:41:18Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#):
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> Oh come now, ae991t has surely reached whale.to levels by now.
This would imply that NaturalNews hasn’t.
> [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> There is a difference between “doesn’t have to” and whatever it actually did.
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> All he is proposing is SPECULATION.
**psikeyhackr** , you just broke _another_ irony meter. I think I’m gonna have to start charging you per post on those, man.
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> Where is the experiment?
In the papers you consistently refuse to read? I dunno, it’s not like this shit hasn’t been shown to you time and time and time again.
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> Because of Newtons 3rd Law the falling 10 stories could not remain intact while destroying 90 stories that had to be stronger and heavier and welds do not eliminate mass and the Conservation of Momentum.
You know, on another forum I met a person who was _absolutely convinced_ that 9/11 was a controlled demolition because of what he called “the law of falling objects” - a law in which whenever an object with mass collides with another object of a higher mass, the first object topples over. That sounds asinine, right? There is no such law. Now… about _your_ theory…
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> All you guys can come up with is TALK and 8th grade math with incomplete data.
That’s two in one post! Damn…
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/547 "2014-06-17T20:50:58Z")
> [@Calatin](#):
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> Everyone knows the reason we faked the moon landing was because we weren’t able to build a model of the actual moon upon which to practice landing.
Couldn’t get enough cheese, right? ☹
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/548 "2014-06-17T20:53:42Z")
> [@XT](#):
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> Couldn’t get enough cheese, right? ☹
The local cheese shop was out of _everything._
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/549 "2014-06-17T21:20:58Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#):
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> This would imply that NaturalNews hasn’t.
Not enough holocaust denial articles on NN. Yet.
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### Author:  [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/550 "2014-06-17T21:21:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> The local cheese shop was out of _everything._
Not much call for it around these parts.
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### Author:  [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2014, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/551 "2014-06-17T21:37:48Z")
> [@Telemark](#):
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> Not much call for it around these parts.
It’s the single most popular dairy product in the world!
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### Author:  [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/552 "2014-06-18T07:19:12Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#):
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> Not enough holocaust denial articles on NN. Yet.
I guess you’re right. I mean, both pale in comparison to Rense, but…
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### Author:  [@psikeyhackr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psikeyhackr)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/553 "2014-06-18T14:48:51Z")
> [@Gedd](#):
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> I don’t. My scale model of the Apollo 11 never left the lower aptmosphere.
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> _Case closed._
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> Did **Psik** fail to notice that in the Scientific American article they mention they created models? They probably were to his specification though.
It wasn’t powered by gravity.
> [@](#):
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> Via two simple models, Kausel was able to determine that the fall of the upper building portion down onto a single floor must have caused dynamic forces exceeding the buildings¿ design loads by at least an order of magnitude. He also performed some computer simulations that indicate the building material fell almost unrestricted at nearly the speed of free-falling objects. “The towers’ resistive systems played no role. Otherwise the elapsed time of the fall would have been extended,” he noted. As it was, the debris took about nine seconds to reach the ground from the top.
Yeah, that is so informative. No explanation or data on the models. Just BELIEVE!
psik
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### Author:  [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/554 "2014-06-18T14:52:02Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#):
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> You know, on another forum I met a person who was _absolutely convinced_ that 9/11 was a controlled demolition because of what he called “the law of falling objects” - a law in which whenever an object with mass collides with another object of a higher mass, the first object topples over.
Only if the mass ratio is high enough. That’s why bullets bounce off Superman, but he has to duck when crooks throw their guns at him.
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/555 "2014-06-18T15:45:51Z")
> [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> Yeah, that is so informative. No explanation or data on the models. Just BELIEVE!
> psik
The alternative, **psikeyhackr** , is that you are absolutely correct and you have single handedly managed to blow the lid off this mass conspiracy of willing murderers, liars and dupes. What’s more, the overwhelming majority of exerts in structural engineering and material engineering have been exposed as fools and rubes by someone with admitedly little more than a middle school understanding of physics and math (read: you).
Before we award you the medal for outstanding service to science, country and mankind, could you share with us your brilliant theory on how it all really went down and why (pun intended)?
Oh, and please use short sentences and simple words for the benefit of us silly rubes.
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### Author:  [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/556 "2014-06-18T15:53:55Z")
> [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> powered by gravity.
You do understand, I hope, that gravity is pretty simple to model, right? :dubious:
Unless Newton was gravely wrong, of course, and our equations are grossly in error. Do you seriously think his (and Kepler’s and others’) models of the universe required somebody to actually build a bunch of mini-planets orbiting a mini-sun? The fine art of modeling in such a fashion is centuries old and performed by the same people who developed the physics you claim to understand.
By the way, did anybody else read this and think somebody should trademark “Powered by Gravity”?
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### Author:  [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/557 "2014-06-18T16:41:44Z")
> [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> It wasn’t powered by gravity.
(Why do I see a perpetual motion requirement in the future?)
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/558 "2014-06-18T16:44:35Z")
> [@Gedd](#):
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> (Why do I see a perpetual motion requirement in the future?)
Because **psikey** will never stop?
Actually, I thought he had already achieved that with the goal posts.
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/559 "2014-06-18T22:03:14Z")
> [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> It wasn’t powered by gravity.
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> > [@](#):
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> > Via two simple models, Kausel was able to determine that the fall of the upper building portion down onto a single floor must have caused dynamic forces exceeding the buildings¿ design loads by at least an order of magnitude. He also performed some computer simulations that indicate the building material fell almost unrestricted at nearly the speed of free-falling objects. “The towers’ resistive systems played no role. Otherwise the elapsed time of the fall would have been extended,” he noted. As it was, the debris took about nine seconds to reach the ground from the top.
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> Yeah, that is so informative. No explanation or data on the models. Just BELIEVE!
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> psik
Back up your claim that the models were not powered by gravity or retract it.
You are free to criticize the article for not providing specific information, (although I note that you also do nothing to actually discover what Kausel did), but to declare that the models were not powered by gravity looks like nothing more than an attempt to derail the thread. You might have been correct that the article did not provide enough information, but you are out of line to declare something about how the models worked when you, yourself, state that they are not sufficiently described.
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### Author:  [@psikeyhackr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psikeyhackr)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-september-11-thoughts/689989/560 "2014-06-19T19:43:42Z")
> [@tomndebb](#):
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> Back up your claim that the models were not powered by gravity or retract it.
LOL
I was talking about the model of the Apollo.
> [@](#):
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> I don’t. My scale model of the Apollo 11 never left the lower aptmosphere.
psik
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