# My take on God, if anybody cares. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 25, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372 "2011-12-25T19:16:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/81 "2011-12-27T16:52:31Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > I agree. Divine inspiration can hardly be called science, nor should it. If I embrace science and all it brings, while rejecting divine inspiration and all _it_ brings, and you do the exact opposite, which of us will be better off in the long run? Which of us will even be around in the long run? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/82 "2011-12-27T16:53:33Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Correct. Then your comment wasn’t relevant. > [@](#): > > But I do not agree with [scientism](http://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/gengloss/sciism-body.html). And I don’t agree with madeupwordstocreateafalseequivalenceism. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/83 "2011-12-27T17:15:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If I embrace science and all it brings, while rejecting divine inspiration and all _it_ brings, and you do the exact opposite, which of us will be better off in the long run? Which of us will even be around in the long run? I don’t think even the most fervent of religious folk can\* completely\* reject science. They can certainly reject its answers to some of the bigger questions, but it’s too omnipresent and observable in their everyday lives to ignore completely. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/84 "2011-12-27T17:24:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If I embrace science and all it brings, while rejecting divine inspiration and all _it_ brings, and you do the exact opposite, which of us will be better off in the long run? Which of us will even be around in the long run? I dunno, that’s a theoretical. I don’t think I could do either. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/85 "2011-12-27T17:28:03Z")
> [@Candyman74](#): > > I don’t think even the most fervent of religious folk can\* completely\* reject science. They can certainly reject its answers to some of the bigger questions, but it’s too omnipresent and observable in their everyday lives to ignore completely. I couldn’t reject science completely if I wanted to, and I don’t want to. I like some of things it does for me. I like some of the things it does for the world. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/86 "2011-12-27T17:33:52Z")
Well, I seem to be doing fine and/or dandy without divine inspiration so far. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/87 "2011-12-27T17:35:54Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > God is uncaused. God existed before the Big Bang, before the universe. An interesting hypothesis. What evidence do you have to support it? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/88 "2011-12-27T17:36:44Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > I couldn’t reject science completely if I wanted to, and I don’t want to. I like some of things it does for me. I like some of the things it does for the world. Then I don’t think you have an issue with “scientism.” The issue is that scientific inquiry has lead people to some conclusions you don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/89 "2011-12-27T17:43:30Z")
> [@nole](#): > > I am no physicist nor do I claim to be. However, I’ve been overcome by an obsession to watch/read anything regarding quantum physics, time, space, the true nature of reality, etc. I am so fascinated by these themes because I believe they so perfectly pertain to God, something else my mind has always been obsessed with. > > I believe there is a God, and I do not believe in any organized religion, for several reasons, none of which really matter. As soon as someone can show conclusive proof of the existence of a god of any kind, then discussing that god becomes relevant. Until then, any discussion of gods is a meaningless waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/90 "2011-12-27T17:51:49Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > As soon as someone can show conclusive proof of the existence of a god of any kind, then discussing that god becomes relevant. Until then, any discussion of gods is a meaningless waste of time. No discussion is a meaningless waste of time. Just because a subject doesn’t interest you personally doesn’t make it badwrongfun. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/91 "2011-12-27T18:30:34Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > You should reply to that video with your own (correct) video. For the purposes of education. That’s what [Brian Greene’s for](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/elegant-universe-einstein.html). ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/92 "2011-12-27T18:37:56Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > That’s what [Brian Greene’s for](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/elegant-universe-einstein.html). Eleven dimensions, parallel universes, but still no room for God. :dubious: I noticed that NOVA is funded by one half of the Koch Brothers. Not sure what that means. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/93 "2011-12-27T18:42:15Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Eleven dimensions, parallel universes, but still no room for God. :dubious: Are you implying that mathematical models and religion are in some way the same? If you can write them a decent mathematical model for God, I’m sure they’ll be happy to include it. As a bonus, you’ll probably also be the richest person to have ever lived. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/94 "2011-12-27T18:42:17Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Eleven dimensions, parallel universes, but still no room for God. :dubious: > > I noticed that NOVA is funded by one half of the Koch Brothers. Not sure what that means. It means you’re “just asking questions.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/95 "2011-12-27T18:44:01Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Eleven dimensions, parallel universes, but still no room for God. :dubious: In practical terms, what is this supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/96 "2011-12-27T18:48:25Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Eleven dimensions, parallel universes, but still no room for God. :dubious: Oh, there’s room alright – god fits in the smallest gaps! – just no need. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/97 "2011-12-27T19:20:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It means you’re “just asking questions.” That was a cheap shot. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/98 "2011-12-27T19:22:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > In practical terms, what is this supposed to mean? It means **anything** is more appealing than the notion of God. Doesn’t matter what, just as long as denies a Creator. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/99 "2011-12-27T19:26:08Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > It means **anything** is more appealing than the notion of God. Doesn’t matter what, just as long as denies a Creator. When looking for things, you tend to find only that which is there, whether you want it to be there or not. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372/100 "2011-12-27T19:33:13Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > An interesting hypothesis. What evidence do you have to support it? God created the universe by speaking it into existence, so wouldn’t it make sense that God Himself predates the universe? Only Stephen Hawking knows for sure … 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-take-on-god-if-anybody-cares/607372.md?page=6)