# My thread wasn't a comment on moderation **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 16, 2018, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716 "2018-08-16T06:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/21 "2018-08-16T16:06:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > First off the, the context is in a creating a new rule, not defending his own actions. Second, He speaks of “humiliation.” That is not part of a mod’s job. So it sure sounds to me like he’s speaking of his own personal feelings on the matter, not about how he moderates. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Well, no. I’m right. tom was clearly expressing his personal opinion. Y’all have just decided that because he gave his personal opinion in an ATMB thread, it’s covered by “no pitting the administration”. That’s certainly up to the mods to decide, I suppose. Of course it’s his personal feelings/opinion, but in the context of moderation that he was directly involved in. There is no interpretation where he was posting simply as a board member, divested from his role as mod. Now whether as a mod he should or should not have those specific opinions, or express them as a mod is a completely separate question, which could be addressed by an ATMB, not a pit, thread. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/22 "2018-08-16T16:14:22Z")
Fake ATMB thread: > [@doe eyed innocent](#): > > we should have a rule against gay bashing in tthreads > [@troglodytendebb](#): > > feel free to bring it up as a suggestion to modify the SDMB rules. (At which point, I would suggest that attacks on bestiality should be covered by the same rule.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/23 "2018-08-16T16:23:02Z")
Anyone else feel like they are watching a shark being jumped? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/24 "2018-08-16T16:28:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Anyone else feel like they are watching a shark being jumped? That really doesn’t make any sense but cool that you’re hip to all the new lingo. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/25 "2018-08-16T16:31:34Z")
I’m now waiting for the warning on personal attacks, and then the inevitable thread complaining that that troglodytendebb wasn’t an insult on any particular moderator. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/26 "2018-08-16T16:38:39Z")
It was an extreme example to highlight why I don’t think moderators’ personal opinions should be protected just because they happen to be in an ATMB thread. I am not ascribing any of that extreme example to tomndebb. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/27 "2018-08-16T16:43:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It was an extreme example to highlight why I don’t think moderators’ personal opinions should be protected just because they happen to be in an ATMB thread. I am not ascribing any of that extreme example to tomndebb. Their opinion’s aren’t protected. You can criticize them all you want. You just can’t pit them for actions/opinions expressed under the umbrella of their moderation duties. You are free to open an ATMB thread about any moderator and criticize away. The only constraint is that you have to abide by the rules of ATMB and not the more free-for-all rules of the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/28 "2018-08-16T16:44:07Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It was an extreme example to highlight why I don’t think moderators’ personal opinions should be protected just because they happen to be in an ATMB thread. I am not ascribing any of that extreme example to tomndebb. God bless you on your noble legal crusade! Perhaps the ACLU will be of assistance. Quiet everybody! It seems CarnalK is \*still \*trying to make a point! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/29 "2018-08-16T16:46:00Z")
I made my point. You just disagree. We are in ATMB, no need for you try so hard to belittle. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/30 "2018-08-16T16:49:51Z")
I’m curious, are all the people here in agreement with tomndebb that political affiliation should be included in our “hate speech” rules? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/31 "2018-08-16T16:50:11Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It was an extreme example to highlight why I don’t think moderators’ personal opinions should be protected just because they happen to be in an ATMB thread. I am not ascribing any of that extreme example to tomndebb. That’s why you used a totally imaginary name for the poster and an insulting derogatory version of an existing moderator’s name in your example? Right. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/32 "2018-08-16T16:52:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’m curious, are all the people here in agreement with tomndebb that political affiliation should be included in our “hate speech” rules? If I am, does that mean I can’t say “All Liberals are a bunch of snowflakes!”? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/33 "2018-08-16T17:01:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > If I am, does that mean I can’t say “All Liberals are a bunch of snowflakes!”? You’ll have to ask tomndebb. I’m not sure if he meant an official party affiliation only or anyone who has a strong affinity to a certain part of the political spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/34 "2018-08-16T17:28:18Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’m curious, are all the people here in agreement with tomndebb that political affiliation should be included in our “hate speech” rules? If it means \*\*tom \*\*would actually do his damn job and mod hate speech for a change, sure, I’d be all for it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/35 "2018-08-16T18:37:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > If it means \*\*tom \*\*would actually do his damn job and mod hate speech for a change, sure, I’d be all for it. Yup. Honestly, if a moderator declares that they’re not willing to do part of their job, they should be out. Are we really so hard up for mods for Great Debates that we have to accept one who just declares he won’t enforce the part of the rules he dislikes? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/36 "2018-08-16T18:46:04Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yup. Honestly, if a moderator declares that they’re not willing to do part of their job, they should be out. Are we really so hard up for mods for Great Debates that we have to accept one who just declares he won’t enforce the part of the rules he dislikes? Noone had an issue with Miller doing _exactly_ that in the pit. Strange, eh? And that’s conceding your statement is actually accurate. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/37 "2018-08-16T19:34:27Z")
The moderators can issue warnings on a whim … that would save their time having to explain the details for the 87th time … ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/38 "2018-08-16T20:44:46Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Noone had an issue with Miller doing _exactly_ that in the pit. \*\*Miller \*\*\*modded \*the dumb language rules, he just didn’t issue \*warnings \*for them. As is his prerogative. So no, not “\*exactly \*that”.\*\*tom \*\*doesn’t even do that little when it comes to hate speech in GD. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/39 "2018-08-16T20:59:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > \*\*Miller \*\*\*modded \*the dumb language rules, he just didn’t issue \*warnings \*for them. As is his prerogative. So no, not “\*exactly \*that”.\*\*tom \*\*doesn’t even do that little when it comes to hate speech in GD. So Miller perpetuated a farce? Great. I’m not sure that’s a good model for the general board. The problem you are having is your personal and highly selective interpretation of so-called hate speech isn’t addressed precisely as you wish. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716/40 "2018-08-16T21:20:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So Miller perpetuated a farce? No, \*\*Miller _worked to rule. AKA did his damn job_ even he disagreed with the rule. \*\*tom \*\*does no such thing. It wouldn’t matter if the hate speech was such that we all agree on, **tom** won’t mod it as such. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-thread-wasnt-a-comment-on-moderation/819716.md?page=3)