# My Worthless, Uninformed Take On The Trump Win. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 10, 2016, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301 "2016-11-10T01:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/81 "2016-11-11T00:08:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You don’t have to do the same things as your opponent, you just have to do your thing with such panache that everyone loves it. Meatballs, Revenge of the Nerds, Hot Dog! The Movie, Bachelor Party, etc. > > So the next 4 years are the [montage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFrMLRQIT_k). My frustration stems from my firm belief that I don’t think we have 4 or 8 years to screw around with Climate Change Denialism. From what I know (fairly extensive research, spouse know knows a shit-ton about this, friends who actively work in this field)… We are at a critical juncture. We just don’t have the luxury of time anymore. This (more than worries about the stock market, or whether Trump will nuke Uzbekibekibekistan for making fun of his hair) is what keeps me up at night. I see my grandchildren inheriting a global catastrophe. All because a bunch of folks were convinced that there is nothing wrong with shitting upstream, with the help and support of the guy who runs the toilet franchise upstream. In short; We had a small chance if we acted fast and correctly - we are now completely fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/82 "2016-11-11T00:12:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > My frustration stems from my firm belief that I don’t think we have 4 or 8 years to screw around with Climate Change Denialism. From what I know (fairly extensive research, spouse know knows a shit-ton about this, friends who actively work in this field)… We are at a critical juncture. We just don’t have the luxury of time anymore. > > This (more than worries about the stock market, or whether Trump will nuke Uzbekibekibekistan for making fun of his hair) is what keeps me up at night. I see my grandchildren inheriting a global catastrophe. All because a bunch of folks were convinced that there is nothing wrong with shitting upstream, with the help and support of the guy who runs the toilet franchise upstream. > > In short; We had a small chance if we acted fast and correctly - we are now completely fucked. Aye; I think we were already fucked, to be honest. Ever seen an avalanche happen in person? There’s a slight pressure drop or something that you can feel just before your eyes and ears register the movement. But once you feel that pressure drop, it’s already too late to do much more than scramble. I think Climate Change is like that. By the time we realized it was happening, it was too late to do much more than try and mitigate the damage. And we were slow, really slow, to even try that. I agree that a Trump administration will not help the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/83 "2016-11-11T00:20:09Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Aye; I think we were already fucked, to be honest. > > Ever seen an avalanche happen in person? There’s a slight pressure drop or something that you can feel just before your eyes and ears register the movement. But once you feel that pressure drop, it’s already too late to do much more than scramble. > > I think Climate Change is like that. By the time we realized it was happening, it was too late to do much more than try and mitigate the damage. And we were slow, really slow, to even try that. > > I agree that a Trump administration will not help the situation. Sigh. Please recommend a funny/distracting movie for the upcoming long weekend… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/84 "2016-11-11T00:28:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sigh. Please recommend a funny/distracting movie for the upcoming long weekend… Well, I pulled out my _Jackass_ box set. After I finish watching the series, I’m gonna watch all the movies and then watch [_Bad Grandpa_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3063516/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1). ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/85 "2016-11-11T00:33:39Z")
Congratulations liberals! You got Trump elected by being assholes to anyone who wasn’t as liberal as you. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/86 "2016-11-11T00:34:58Z")
No one loathes Trump more than me. I’m going to take the advice that SOS Clinton gave me, and my President as well. I’m going to approach him with an open mind and give him a chance to prove himself. If he fails, he will have no harsher critic than me. If he exceeds my expectations, I will give him credit. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/87 "2016-11-11T00:38:54Z")
[quote=“you\_with\_the\_face, post:77, topic:771301”] If someone is inclined to support Trump–and can not on their own see how bad he is–it is doubtful any discussion from a liberal is going to help. I do think it’s naive to think otherwise. Sorry. [/QOUTE] November not everyone but your goal isn’t everyone it’s the reasonable ones. A fact you acknowledge with your very next sentence. > [@](#): > > Look at our message board. A number of conservative, longtime Republican posters overcame their deeply entrenched political biases to do the unheard of: they voted against the GOP nominee. It is improbable that such a thing will ever happen again in our lifetimes. My conservative in laws defected similarly. Truly, it is a testament to how awful Trump is to bring this about. We are not talking about a candidate whose pluses and minuses are largely subjective, that can be debated between two people with equal give and take. We are talking about someone objectively bad, and this is why so many people who should be supporting him (because of party affilitiation) cannot in good conscience now. > > If someone can’t spot this objective badness on their own, there is little that an ideological outsider can say to open their eyes. I’m not saying no effort should be made, but the idea that the problem is the lack of Dem reaching out is flawed brcsusr it assumes Trump supporters are actually open to being reached. I see no indication that they are. Facts that paint Trump negatively and facts that support Clinton are so readily spun by them as “media lies”. How do you get through that? You don’t. It’s a waste of breath to try to do so. [/qoute] > > If you’re viewing it as a waste of time you’ve already conceded the argument. Aim more selectively. > [Qoute]Of course you’ve given them reason, at least some of them. Semi-sensible people who don’t want to be lumped in with their bigoted rapey troll peers just might pause and take a hard look at their fellow countrymen and be a moderating influence. Same way white folks who stood on the sidelines when 1950’s mobs chased after the black folks got embarrassed when the rest of the nation reacted. > [/quote] > > Excellent point. But I’m sure you know some of those folks didn’t like what was going on either but felt constrained by their peers. Not all the firemen hosing blacks were racist, some were just fireman following orders. > > [Qoute]First, that’s a weak analogy unless you can demonstrate the Trump supporters we see in the media are not representative of Trump supporters at large. Black people are forever trying to distance themselves from those they deem as walking stereotypes; how many Trump supporters cringe when they see one their own waxing lyrical about walls to keep out the Mexicans.[/qoute] > > You’ve reversed it. You and I routinely ignore Pookie because we know he’s not representative. But the problem with Pookie was the target audience (white people) sees Pookie as representative, a problem demonstrated by BLM. Before ubiquitous cameras. The average bad police shooting was reported by Pookie who has no credibility. Let’s call the bigoted rapey troll Cleetus. You’ve made Cleetus the avatar for the group and dismissed the rest of the group as having no credibility. > > [Iqoute]Secondly, call me crazy, but I’m glad they cast a bright light on the racists and sexists among his supporters. Given the amount prejudice that laced Trump’s rhetoric, it would be bizarre if the media didn’t home in on those types. if they hadn’t, consider the dangerous possibility that more people would have gravitated to Trump’s side than they actually did. Consider also the dangerous possibility that we would not have had the wake up call that we did about the status of race and gender relations in this country, if the media hadn’t made us acutely aware of what things were being said in his rallies. But you already knew about Cleetus! Because of the nature of competition you’ve used his poor behavior to malign people who live near Cleetus and dismiss their concerns as unworthy of your notice. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/88 "2016-11-11T00:40:26Z")
Sorry for the messed up coding. I’m not used to posting from a tablet. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/89 "2016-11-11T00:55:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Good luck with that strategy. :rolleyes: For someone who is taking others to task for being meanies and alienating would-be comrades, you seem rather quick to whip out the rolleyes, pal. I’m tired, to be honest. Tired of contemplating what a reality under Trump is going to look like. Tired of thinking about all those alt-right trolls who are jizzing in delight because of Trump’s victory. And I’m tired of watching Dems acting like a loss in a razor thin election is wholly due to them alienating rural voters…many of whom who openly pine for the days when people like me had no rights in this country and would gladly roll back the clock if it meant calling all the shots again. Right, we haven’t done enough to reach out to them. Uh huh. I’m tired of being told that I have to listen to them…and then what? Holding my tongue so that I don’t make them mad at my uppity ass for not agreeing with them? I just can’t with this insanity right now. I just can’t. Perhaps in a few days, the sight of all the in-party finger pointing and idealistic “if only we hadn’t’s” won’t make me angry enough to tip over a car, but I’m clearly not at that point yet. And very well may never be. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/90 "2016-11-11T01:11:50Z")
As someone with an inclination towards preserving America’s environment I am worried that Trump and the people he surrounds himself with are big city types, who’s idea of wilderness is a manicured golf course. Has Trump ever visited a national park? Does he have any appreciation for the great wild spaces of our nation? Has he ever rafted a wild, remote river? I know his sons have been to Africa and shot some animals. Did they revel in the wildness of the place? Did they respect the animals they killed? Did they fly over, shoot some animals and fly back to Manhattan in time for dinner? Do people like Trump understand why development of every square inch of real estate is not a good thing? Can I expect a massive selloff of public lands to oil companies and real estate developers? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/91 "2016-11-11T01:16:43Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Congratulations liberals! You got Trump elected by being assholes to anyone who wasn’t as liberal as you. **Drunky** , I usually go to bat for you because it seems you’re just glib for the hell of it, but some people are truly trying to understand how we screwed up, what to do to fix it and how not to alienate anyone in the process. So, do you have anything substantive to add in all these threads you keep popping up in or are you just here to gloat? And on another point, jumping off what **ywtf** says… once we’ve listened and empathized and all that, what can WE do about bringing back industrial jobs? How can we stop the spread of specialization that focuses on computer technology? So many times when these conversations arise and you feel for the plight someone is in, they then look at you and go, “Well? How’re you going to fix this?” Because, you know, we really, really can’t. What then? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/92 "2016-11-11T01:25:01Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > For someone who is taking others to task for being meanies and alienating would-be comrades, you seem rather quick to whip out the rolleyes, pal. > > I’m tired, to be honest. I am too. I’ve slept very little since I woke up Tuesday morning. I’ve written tens of thousands of words, perhaps more than a hundred thousand, since election returns started coming in. I haven’t eaten much; my blood sugar is very low. My use of the rolleyes wasn’t quick, except in the sense that I didn’t discuss things for another 20,000 words before I used it. I understand that you are upset and reeling; many of us are, myself included. But your position is intractable at the moment. I’m not going to waste time arguing with one upset person when there are many more that want to figure out a way out of this mess; I’m convinced that your “fuck them” method won’t work and is a bad idea in general. I cannot dismiss out of hand half the population of the country, especially when I know for a fact that not all of them want the racism, the sexism, etc. My strategy might not work, but I know that yours will fail. Remember what your goal is! > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Tired of contemplating what a reality under Trump is going to look like. Tired of thinking about all those alt-right trolls who are jizzing in delight because of Trump’s victory. And I’m tired of watching Dems acting like a loss in a razor thin election is wholly due to them alienating rural voters…many of whom who openly pine for the days when people like me had no rights in this country and would gladly roll back the clock if it meant calling all the shots again. Right, we haven’t done enough to reach out to them. Uh huh. I’m tired of being told that I have to listen to them…and then what? Holding my tongue so that I don’t make them mad at my uppity ass for not agreeing with them? I have never advocated silence or acquiescence. I have advocated actions that are the hallmark of diplomacy and what I see as a way to REALLY get America back, so that we are all on the same track (more or less). As long as we remain polarized, life will be just like this, all the time. I DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN and I don’t think most anyone else does either. > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I just can’t with this insanity right now. I just can’t. Perhaps in a few days, the sight of all the in-party finger pointing and idealistic “if only we hadn’t’s” won’t make me angry enough to tip over a car, but I’m clearly not at that point yet. And very well may never be. [Cracked.com](http://Cracked.com) has some excellent articles today, a trilogy of heartfelt missives beautifully written by some very intelligent people. I like this part, [from David Wong, best: > [@David Wong](#): > > **4. What Trump’s supporters just did, you can do.** > > Bad things are absolutely going to happen over the next few years. There will be outrages and disasters. That means people will need your help and you do not have the option of sitting it out. Just know that none of this is unprecedented – you’re just seeing it for the first time, many of you too young to have been paying attention pre-Obama. The old guys who wept with joy when Obama took office did it because they knew that getting there had been a long, brutal road, full of pitfalls and harrowing detours around mountains of bullshit. They saw the Civil Rights Movement bloom in the 1960s, only to run smack into the Reagan years. They pressed on and saw the tide turn. > > But only because they acted. In each gut-wrenching setback, they saw opportunity. > > And there is opportunity here. You’ll see. Trump ran against the most well-funded, well-organized political machine in the history of national politics, with 90 percent of the media and celebrities standing against him. All of the systems that are supposed to make sure one side wins failed. He smashed a billion-dollar political machine to pieces. > > Good. I’m glad we can have elections where the prize doesn’t go to the side with the slickest ads, biggest names, and deepest pockets. So be it. Next time, that groundswell movement against the powers that be can be coming from your side. I personally believe it will, that this will be remembered as the dying last gasp of the worst part of America, one final stand against the bigotry and ignorance that has plagued us since the day we decided to build this nation on the backs of slaves. > > But it won’t happen on its own. Nothing good ever does. Some of you wake up every day feeling like you have no purpose in life, and motherfucker, have I got news for you! The future is waiting to see what we do next. Let’s get to it. ]([Don't Panic | Cracked.com](http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-panic/)) That’s my message too: it doesn’t have to stay like this; we can change it. Not right now, but soon. But we have to work for it. We have to understand the opposition so we can know how to counter them. We have to understand the needs and wants and fear and desires of voters, so we can help them do the things they want to see done. And discounting those voters, or half of them, isn’t going to get a majority of people on my side. I can’t ignore them; that’s what got us here. And no, they won’t reach out to me, I have to reach out to them. /shrug That’s the way life is sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/93 "2016-11-11T01:35:17Z")
> [@joyfool](#): > > \*\*And on another point, jumping off what **ywtf** says… once we’ve listened and empathized and all that, what can WE do about bringing back industrial jobs? How can we stop the spread of specialization that focuses on computer technology? So many times when these conversations arise and you feel for the plight someone is in, they then look at you and go, “Well? How’re you going to fix this?” Because, you know, we really, really can’t. What then? We can’t stop the spread of technology. I don’t think we can bring back industrial jobs. I doubt that places like China and Indonesia will have many manufacturing jobs in 20 years, compared to today. Automation will take those jobs. Make no mistake, in every case in history: workers lose to technology. What we can do is start planning for that. Plan for a time when most people are unemployable. Plan for when we don’t need human taxi drivers. Plan for when we don’t need as many human doctors. Plan for when we don’t have as many brick and mortar stores because people have things delivered that they ordered online. We need to shape the future, rather than be shaped by it. We need to be pro-active rather than reactive. Humans have reached a stage in our development where we can create new technology faster than the cultures can absorb it. This is unprecedented in our history and is bound to change lives and societies. We need to start talking amongst ourselves now about what we want our country to be like in 2050 and start working towards that right now, IMO. We won’t, of course. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/94 "2016-11-11T01:40:38Z")
Cynically, the answer to propaganda isn’t cool, reasoned argument. It’s better propaganda. Optimistically, party leaders should pass out copies of [How to Win Friends and Influence People](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People#Fundamental_Techniques_in_Handling_People) to the grunts. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/95 "2016-11-11T01:41:46Z")
I agree with your last post very much. Unfortunately, I think the angry Trump voters aren’t going to be consoled by a discussion of the world moving forward on that and, instead, are only going to be concerned about how it effects them and theirs. But who knows? I think I’ve had enough of this today. We can solve the universe’s problems tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/96 "2016-11-11T01:53:21Z")
Economic anxiety is a legitimate concern. The answer for that is policy. How do you respectfully explain “Listen, I know you’re hurting, but blaming immigrants and minorities is not going to help you.” It will always sound like an accusation of bigotry, and holy hell, how bigots hate to be called bigots. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/97 "2016-11-11T01:58:16Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > … > > I haven’t read anyone, even me, who has said that pointing out the bad parts of plans is to be avoided. What should be avoided, at this point, is calling 50% of the country, who just successfully elected our next president, a bunch of fucking idiots. Just a little nit-pik: Trump won by getting the votes from one fifth of the population of the country, not 50%. And yes, they are a bunch of fucking idiots. Or, upon further calculation, about 27% of the eligible voters in the USA ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/98 "2016-11-11T02:01:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That’s my message too: it doesn’t have to stay like this; we can change it. Not right now, but soon. But we have to work for it. We have to understand the opposition so we can know how to counter them. It contradicts your message. Trump supporters didn’t spend a single microsecond empathizing or understanding Hillary supporters. They needed only two ingredients: - Their candidate is the anti-Hillary (or just anti-establishment). It didn’t have to be Trump, but it needed to be someone so empty and devoid of principle that all sorts of people (whether racists or just disaffected voters) could just project their desires onto him. - Their opposition (whether Hillary or someone else) couldn’t be too charismatic. The deplorables outnumber the rational voters. But they don’t outnumber them plus charisma voters. Obama had charisma and that’s why he won. The answer isn’t to listen to and empathize with the deplorables. They’re too far gone and always have been. Patient empathy gets you nowhere with someone that’s been listening to Limbaugh for 30 years. The answer is to get a better candidate. I liked Hillary but can acknowledge that she didn’t have a tenth of Obama’s charisma. Somewhere out there is a Democrat that does, or at least has enough of it. Which of course isn’t to say that nothing should be done about the rust belt. I may not care about their rage, protecting their traditional jobs, or throwing out the dirty immigrants, but I do actually want them to be healthy and employed. The solutions need to be realistic, not designed to pander to their insecurities. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/99 "2016-11-11T02:16:11Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > My take (after the fact, obviously. Until around 10pm last night, I still thought Hillary had a chance): No Democrat was gonna win this race. Any Republican they ran in the general was gonna win this race. After 8 years of a Democrat-- a black man, no less-- in the White House, this election was gonna swing back to the Republicans. Any problems that middle, white America perceived were going to be blamed on the black Democrat in the White House. So it didn’t matter who the Republicans ran, as long as he was white, a “he” and not a Democrat, the Republican would win. > > Bernie vs. Trump? President Trump. > Hillary vs. Cruz? President Cruz. > Hillary vs. Rubio? President Rubio. > Biden vs. Trump? President Trump. > Warren vs. Trump? President Trump. > Hillary vs. Kasich? President Kasich. > Springsteen vs. Jeb Bush? President Bush. > Democratic Santa Claus with the dreamiest bedroom eyes imaginable vs. Republican glass of curdled milk? President Milk. > > I am now convinced this was going to be a swing election no matter who ran against whom. Unfortunately for America, the Republicans ran the most vile person imaginable, and even worse, he seems to have no ability to actually run anything without shitting his own pants repeatedly. > > I think the same situation was true of 2008, but reverse the parties, and for different reasons. 2012 could’ve gone either way. And who the heck knows what 2020 will bring. But if Trump runs the country anything like he ran his campaign, he won’t be re-elected. Bernie vs. Trump? President Bernie Hillary vs. Cruz? President Cruz Hillary vs. Rubio? President Rubio. Biden vs. Trump? President Biden. Warren vs. Trump? President Warren. Hillary vs. Kasich? President Kasich. Springsteen vs. Jeb Bush? President Bush. There I fixed it for you… ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301/100 "2016-11-11T02:17:14Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > The bolded above is a great example of the sneering contempt that won Trump so many supporters. Keep up the good work. Yeah, at some point even racists get tired of being called racists. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-worthless-uninformed-take-on-the-trump-win/771301.md?page=6)