# Mysterious company buys land next to Travis Air Force Base in California. What's going on? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2023, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479 "2023-08-12T19:50:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/101 "2024-01-18T21:32:36Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > If a bunch of individual homeowners had a community meeting where they agreed to hold out for a higher price, I can’t see how that would be remotely collusion Maybe it is. Depends on how the laws are written. The members of a farmers’ market cooperative aren’t legally allowed to get together and set minimum prices for all stands at the market. (At least, not in NYState; I’m not sure whether that’s federal or state law.) And how the laws are written tends to depend on who writes the laws, and how they were thinking at the time. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/102 "2024-01-18T23:59:13Z")
This sounds like some variation of Brasilia v. 2.0, Abuja v. 2.0, or the city they’re carving out of the Indonesian rainforest for similar reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/103 "2024-03-31T03:07:10Z")
Saw this podcast with the founder and another person involved in the project: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/yNp3DQK_yRM/maxresdefault.jpg "Why He Raised $900 Million To Fund The City Of The Future") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNp3DQK_yRM) Regarding water–they don’t go into it too much, but they do mention one specific point. There’s currently a 2500 acre almond orchard on the site (which is barely profitable due to the poor soil). That single orchard uses enough water for a 100,000 person city. So net water use will be _negative_ until the city gets to a decent size. He also points out that cities only use ~6% of the state’s water, saying the problem is 50% optics, 40% politics, and 10% reality (which sounds about right to me). They repeatedly make the point that there’s nothing really complicated here. They’re building housing. They want a dense, walkable city with lots of open space (in contrast to the usual suburban sprawl), so it’s a little unusual compared to many developments, but this isn’t some weird utopian thing. Travis AFB is apparently supportive (after certain boundary issues were addressed) due to the lack of affordable off-site housing and jobs for spouses. They do find it weird getting pushback from the same people that said investors should stop putting their money in stupid social media apps. Now that they’re putting money into actually building physical things, they get the same pushback. Oh well. Reactionaries gonna react. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/104 "2024-03-31T11:22:45Z")
I think the idea is questionable because it will pave over new land that is not near anything. Why not densify one of the existing cities nearby, like Fairfield and Vacaville, that are already plugged into public transit and utility infrastructure? This new city will have to build it all up from nothing, which seems wasteful, and people will still have to hop in their cars to go anywhere, so I am not seeing the point of doing this. There are plenty of parcels of land closer to civilization that can meet the developer’s vision of a dense, walkable community without having to pave over more farmland, but it’s probably not as cheap. I’d prefer more infill development and less expanding the urban footprint. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/105 "2024-03-31T22:33:15Z")
Could be they aren’t zoned appropriately. Both places look to me like endless single-family home suburbia–exactly what they don’t want. Even convincing the nearby residents to allow high-density housing is probably untenable. Greenfield projects have a lot of advantages, with avoiding NIMBYism being a prime one. And I’ll always support ripping out an almond orchard. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/106 "2024-04-01T00:04:46Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > This kinda sorta sounds like some version of Dubai 2.0. > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > This sounds like some variation of Brasilia v. 2.0, Abuja v. 2.0 Or Galt’s Gulch 2.0 > **[Galt's Gulch, Chile](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Galt%27s_Gulch,_Chile)** > > Galt's Gulch, Chile was a libertarian paradise and completely obvious catastrophe conceived by John Cobin, Germán Eyzaguirre, Jeff Berwick, and Ken Johnson.\[2\] GGC claimed to feature 11,000 acres of land located in picturesque valleys full of fresh... ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/107 "2024-04-01T01:25:55Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Greenfield projects have a lot of advantages, with avoiding NIMBYism being a prime one. Not exactly IMO. I believe the nature of NIMBY changes, but it doesn’t go away. If some outfit wants going to built a WAG 5mi x 5mi town on a greenfield site, anyone enjoying the currently rural area within 15-20 miles of the site is easily recruited into a NIMBY effort to stop 100,000 new residents on their roads, the corresponding tax and political changes as the area slides from rural-ish to yuppies, etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/108 "2024-04-01T01:36:53Z")
Sure, some degree of NIMBYism is inevitable. But it does weaken with distance. And it’s not like they’re paving over Yosemite here. It’s low-value agricultural land. The founder claims that the project has reasonable support. It’ll require a ballot measure, so we can judge then if it’s actually supported by the public. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/109 "2024-04-01T01:47:58Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I think the idea is questionable because it will pave over new land that is not near anything. Why not densify one of the existing cities nearby, like Fairfield and Vacaville, that are already plugged into public transit and utility infrastructure? This new city will have to build it all up from nothing, which seems wasteful, and people will still have to hop in their cars to go anywhere, so I am not seeing the point of doing this. “What if they made a city and nobody came,” are the first words in this item, about a planned city in Ontario, Canada that nobody wanted to live in. Well, a few did, but it never became what its planners had hoped it would be. Other established communities could fill the residential needs of industrial workers in nearby factories, and the new community would have to build from nothing. Here’s the item: > **[Townsend: the metropolitan city that never was](https://haldimandpress.com/townsend-the-metropolitan-city-that-never-was/)** > > By Mike Renzella The Haldimand Press TOWNSEND—What if they made a city and nobody came? This question, posed by historian and journalist David Judd, kicked off an in-depth virtual presentation that… ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/110 "2024-04-01T18:55:57Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I think the idea is questionable because it will pave over new land that is not near anything. Why not densify one of the existing cities nearby, like Fairfield and Vacaville, that are already plugged into public transit and utility infrastructure? This new city will have to build it all up from nothing, which seems wasteful, and people will still have to hop in their cars to go anywhere, so I am not seeing the point of doing this. There are plenty of parcels of land closer to civilization that can meet the developer’s vision of a dense, walkable community without having to pave over more farmland, but it’s probably not as cheap. I’d prefer more infill development and less expanding the urban footprint. Take it from someone who has been working in Fairfield for the past 20 years: First of all, Fairfield and Vacaville’s “public transit” is pretty much non-existent. Second, I can’t speak for Vacaville, but Fairfield can be divided into four types of land: places where housing has already been built, places where there are signs promoting new housing developments (and good luck finding anything under $600,000), hills, and marshland. The one major flaw I see with the idea is, the only road that goes anywhere near it is one lane in each direction. Maybe the planners can talk their way into getting it expanded somehow, but the response will almost certainly be, “Who’s going to pay for it?” On top of that, it’s still quite a distance from where I would expect most of the people who live there would be working. There is an existing bridge not too far away that could be connected by road to the city, but (a) it would involve building additional roads on what I believe is quite a bit of privately-owned land, and (b) the road it would connect to on the other side of the bridge is already notorious for traffic problems. By the way…yes, there are California Forever billboards, and pretty much everybody in the county has already received at least one mailer from the company touting the plan. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/111 "2024-04-01T19:30:55Z")
Missed the edit window… Here is the [Modified Initiative and Plan (as of 2/14/2024)](http://www.solanocounty.com/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=42460) for the county for the November ballot ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/112 "2024-04-01T20:05:46Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > First of all, Fairfield and Vacaville’s “public transit” is pretty much non-existent. While that may be true, my point is it will be much easier, more efficient, and less wasteful to infill and densify an existing city, and fortify existing transit than to build it all from scratch. And what’s to keep this “New Community” from becoming as expensive as any of the surrounding communities? Are they going to cap how much someone can sell their home for? IMHO it wont take too long for the cost of housing in any new community in Solano County to come up to par with the rest of the county, especially new stock. I am not totally against this concept, but I am having a hard time understanding how this will end up any different from any other stretch of suburban sprawl along any other stretch of highway in northern California. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/113 "2024-04-01T20:14:04Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > And what’s to keep this “New Community” from becoming as expensive as any of the surrounding communities? It probably will be, since it’s a relatively small project and the demands for housing in California are very large. Still, there should be some downward pressure. One of the points that the founder makes though is that people seem to be confused or in denial about supply and demand. Housing is expensive in California because there’s high demand and not enough supply. And yet people seem to have this weird mental block about addressing the supply side. We need this community and a lot more, but very little is getting done. > [@snowthx](#): > > any other stretch of suburban sprawl Well, again, it’s just a housing development. So it’s nothing special in that regard, contrary to those talking about some utopian whatever. But they are addessing the sprawl aspect by actually designing a walkable, dense community. Compare to the nearby land of a ten thousand cul-de-sacs. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/114 "2024-07-22T19:52:46Z")
> **[California Forever removes initiative from November Ballot](https://www.thereporter.com/2024/07/22/california-forever-removes-initiative-from-november-ballot/)** > > In the most stunning turn yet in its months-long saga for a new city in Solano County, California Forever abruptly removed the East Solano Plan from the 2024 General Election Ballot according to a … ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/115 "2024-07-22T23:13:01Z")
I suspect that they suspected that they were going to lose the vote. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/116 "2024-07-22T23:22:05Z")
Agree. I wonder what their plan is now. They say there are just changing-up the order of steps in their plan. With the deep pockets of some of their donors, I don’t see this thing going away. But, there is now more time for the opposition to get organized and energized for when it finally does get to the ballot. They will probably look for a low-voter-turnout election to try again (not a significant Presidential election). ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/117 "2024-07-22T23:24:45Z")
Or maybe just that the odds of losing were too high. EIRs are insanely difficult anywhere, and nowhere more so than in California. Getting the EIR first makes the initiative more likely to succeed. We need to make it easier to build things in California. And yet people will believe anything but the obvious, which is that to make housing cheaper you need to build more housing. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/118 "2024-07-23T02:01:52Z")
I bought a condo in San Jose mumble years ago, and ended up selling it for about twice what I paid for it. It is difficult when things that I know are better for my community, are not necesserily better for me personally. Since I don’t own that condo in San Jose any more, heck yes, we definitely need to increase the housing supply. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/119 "2025-01-28T16:09:41Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I wonder what their plan is now. > [California Forever](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/ca-forever-new-city-solano-county-19589292.php), the new Solano County city proposed by a group of Silicon Valley tycoons, was technically not on the agenda at the packed Suisun City council meeting on Tuesday night. But the controversial billionaire-backed plan was on the top of everybody’s mind. > > After a heated three-hour hearing, Suisun City’s City Council voted 4-1 to give City Manager Bret Prebula the green light to explore whether the 4.2-square-mile, cash-strapped city could expand its tax base by annexing unincorporated land to the west or east of the current municipal borders… the property to the east is owned by California Forever, which is hoping to build a [transit-oriented city of 400,000](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/california-forever-solano-housing-19565140.php) in east Solano County. > > Critics of California Forever contend that by annexing territory the group owns, Suisun City could be allowing the developer to make a partial end-run around the California Orderly Growth Initiative, which stipulates that any development in unincorporated parts of the county must be approved by voters. **This city wants to expand. Critics worry it’s how California Forever will take root** [https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/suisun-city-california-forever-solano-county-20053951.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/suisun-city-california-forever-solano-county-20053951.php) **Plan for California startup city may have found backdoor off the ballot** [https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/27/california-startup-city-ballot-00200836](https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/27/california-startup-city-ballot-00200836) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479/120 "2025-07-20T02:29:26Z")
> Today, California Forever is charting a new course to restore an industry that once defined California: high-tech manufacturing. We’re unveiling the 2,100-acre, 40 million-square-foot Solano Foundry, the nation’s largest, most strategically located, and best designed advanced manufacturing park – and a blueprint for the bipartisan build agenda… > > In recent years, American industry has experienced a renaissance, but the lack of entitled, available, ready-to-build land near Silicon Valley, coupled with a critical housing shortage in California, has pushed new factories to other parts of the country. This reshoring to distant states has been a partial solution, but it comes at a cost: it slows down American innovation, as R&D teams based in Silicon Valley are forced to spend days traveling back and forth to remote factories, hindering collaboration and rapid iteration. > > The Solano Foundry offers the solution: a space for state‑of‑the‑art production facilities just an hour north of Silicon Valley, so American innovators can iterate at a pace that outperforms our adversaries, keep intellectual property at home, and strengthen our national security. > **[California Forever unveils the Solano Foundry: a new home for frontier tech,...](https://californiaforever.com/california-forever-unveils-the-solano-foundry/)** > > Today, California Forever is charting a new course to restore an industry that once defined… I don’t see any initial customers mentioned. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mysterious-company-buys-land-next-to-travis-air-force-base-in-california-whats-going-on/988479.md?page=7)