# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2042 "2011-08-23T03:02:59Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’ll admit I’ve only skimmed so far, but I have a few comments. > > It seems to me that you are assuming a few things: > > 1. That there really are 5 Seers. No, I don’t believe one of them is a real Seer, at the very least. > [@](#): > > 1. That they are all Town No, I believe at least one of them is scum. > [@](#): > > 1. That the Seers who seem to relay their results to others are Town Seers and not Scum Messengers. I mentioned that possibility before even mentioning the Dethy setup. > [@](#): > > 1. That the messages will be delivered to Town players. I never said that. > [@](#): > > 1. That there are no powers like a Nexus (who targets someone and forces their power to be redirected to that player). I accepted the idea of redirectors. > [@](#): > > 1. That Scum are lacking in roleblockers and players with an extra kill. Never made that assumption. > [@](#): > > I haven’t played with you much, but sometimes it seems to me that you grab on to an idea and ride it until it drops dead. I like a lot of your ideas, but sometimes, I think patience and an open mind might be beneficial. Yeah, but I think other folks shouldn’t assume things like we have 5 true cops without examining the likelihood, and I also think people shouldn’t wagon one suspect and not discuss alternatives. You know, patience and an open mind. Same criticism for me, applies to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2043 "2011-08-23T03:03:20Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > By your own statements. Even before you replied to me above > > and I see you are denying that “feeling safe” is being ‘protected’ ? > > This feels like a grand house of cards. > > And there is a strong wind blowing. > I’m forced off the computer at this time. I shall return as I can. > This is a CF if ever I saw one > and I wager there are others that can add even more cornfusion to the mess huh again? No, I did not deny that feeling safe is the same as being protected. Where on earth are you getting this s\*\*t? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2044 "2011-08-23T03:04:08Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I may be the first to say this, but if we have something so abysmally stupid as a “mason wolf” in this game, I quit. That’s up there with death miller and secret jester. Fuck THAT noise. Death Miller? Do I even want to know? Anyway, my head has been hurting for the last hour or so, it’s time for me to call it a night. : p ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2045 "2011-08-23T03:04:46Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I’d go with the safe bet, which is the Dethy setup, until proven otherwise. No. This is not the safe bet. I haven’t read Dethy, so I have no idea if Gadarene was in there, but I’m betting not. How is it safer to assume that Gadarene’s game is closer in structure to some random game than the game this particular game is modeled after? It’s good to ask questions, and to disbelieve claims that requite extraordinary evidence, but you’re really stretching here. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2046 "2011-08-23T03:05:04Z")
I also have to take an idea and champion it, because when the grand majority of the players feel one way, the only way alternatives get seriously discussed is if there’s a number of posts dedicated to that point of view. I guarantee you, if I hadn’t questioned this gnarlycharlie thing, gnarly would be sitting with 15-20 votes right now and none of this pertinent skepticism-based discussion would have occurred. That’s dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2047 "2011-08-23T03:06:06Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > No, I don’t believe one of them is a real Seer, at the very least. > > No, I believe at least one of them is scum. > > I mentioned that possibility before even mentioning the Dethy setup. > > I never said that. > > I accepted the idea of redirectors. > Never made that assumption. > > Yeah, but I think other folks shouldn’t assume things like we have 5 true cops without examining the likelihood, and I also think people shouldn’t wagon one suspect and not discuss alternatives. > > You know, patience and an open mind. Same criticism for me, applies to everyone. Yes, I didn’t mean to make this an attack on your statements. I agree that we can’t assume anything. But, along those lines, I don’t think we can’t assume the number of seers we have, and I am much more hesitant to believe in the quite symmetrical deathy arrangement, as I am to some odd combination of powers and fake powers. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2048 "2011-08-23T03:06:08Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > No, I don’t believe one of them is a real Seer, at the very least. > > No, I believe at least one of them is scum. I understand that you don’t believe now, but I repeat for posterity that Weedy receieved correct results on me. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2049 "2011-08-23T03:06:49Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > No. This is not the safe bet. I haven’t read Dethy, so I have no idea if Gadarene was in there, but I’m betting not. How is it safer to assume that Gadarene’s game is closer in structure to some random game than the game this particular game is modeled after? > > It’s good to ask questions, and to disbelieve claims that requite extraordinary evidence, but you’re really stretching here. Dethy isn’t a random setup, it’s a game setup that has been done hundreds and hundreds of times on a hundred different forums for mafia. It’s the most common setup which involves multiple detectives. For a game host to make a game of all-night-action roles, and not at least \*\*some \*\*include the cop variants, is more unusual. It’s stretching to believe all 5 are true cops. That’s what’s stretching plausibility. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2050 "2011-08-23T03:07:46Z")
I’ve recently gotten moved in to my new place. Have loads to catch up on here. I’m going to reread fully before making comments since its so many pages I have to go through. Might not make it all the way through until morning, but will get through it prior to eod. Sorry for being useless an entire game day ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2051 "2011-08-23T03:08:32Z")
I tell you what though, I do learn from my mistakes. I’ve been loud and I’ve put the idea out there, and you’re aware of it. It’s time for me to shut up so people can think and stuff. See? I’m learning. Anyone wants me to speak, speak directly to me and ask a question. Otherwise I’m going into _shut up so people can think mode._ ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2052 "2011-08-23T03:08:39Z")
Pizza, while you are floundering about on the claims, could you take a look at Inner Stickler and tell me what you think? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2053 "2011-08-23T03:09:20Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I guarantee you, if I hadn’t questioned this gnarlycharlie thing, gnarly would be sitting with 15-20 votes right now and none of this pertinent skepticism-based discussion would have occurred. You’re taking credit for an awful lot there…I, for one, unvoted gnarly only after Weedy came forth saying he got the message that Texcat was a Mason. As I said, Weedy, Texcat, gnarly…all saying, in some way or another, that Texcat is a Mason. I find that hard to believe that all three of them (or whoever it was that got the actual read on Texcat, if you want to count them as the third person) would try this gamebit as scum. My unvoting didn’t have anything to do with you or anything you said, sorry to say. : p I said I was going to bed, I know, but just…can’t…pull…away… ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2054 "2011-08-23T03:11:35Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > You’re taking credit for an awful lot there…I, for one, unvoted gnarly only after Weedy came forth saying he got the message that Texcat was a Mason. Credit where due, my apologies, my point was there were few people willing to even unvote gnarly. There are exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2055 "2011-08-23T03:13:50Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Pizza, while you are floundering about on the claims, could you take a look at Inner Stickler and tell me what you think? I could, but I really have a lot on my plate. I’m supposed to be fully analyzing the 5 people who have been investigated and give my recommendation as to which is most likely scum. I’ve already said it’s not gnarly, and probably not you only due to the circumstances surrounding you and gnarly. But I don’t have a solid read on Jan, Blaster, or Dance. My vote’s on Dance. I believe the Dethy-related setup is the correct one for the purposes of this analysis, and as such, I believe one of those three is scum. And I think that’s the best lynch you’re going to get today BY FAR. I honestly don’t have it in me to also analyse Inner, but my impression is that his thoughts are useful, and that’s generally townie but doesn’t clear him. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2056 "2011-08-23T03:16:29Z")
Whoops, mistook Inner Stickler for Idle Thoughts. I like Idle’s contributions better than Inner Stickler’s. Looking back I disagree with a lot of what Stickler has said. No read on if that’s scummy or not. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2057 "2011-08-23T03:19:26Z")
and og looked down and saw his children scampering about. he was well pleased. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2058 "2011-08-23T03:19:54Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I could, but I really have a lot on my plate. I’m supposed to be fully analyzing the 5 people who have been investigated and give my recommendation as to which is most likely scum. > > I’ve already said it’s not gnarly, and probably not you only due to the circumstances surrounding you and gnarly. But I don’t have a solid read on Jan, Blaster, or Dance. > > My vote’s on Dance. I believe the Dethy-related setup is the correct one for the purposes of this analysis, and as such, I believe one of those three is scum. And I think that’s the best lynch you’re going to get today BY FAR. > > I honestly don’t have it in me to also analyse Inner, but my impression is that his thoughts are useful, and that’s generally townie but doesn’t clear him. I think you’ll find that his thoughts are useful, but contain absolutely zero opinions. At least look at my posts, [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475) and [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14168940&postcount=1672](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14168940&postcount=1672). ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2059 "2011-08-23T03:21:10Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Whoops, mistook Inner Stickler for Idle Thoughts. I like Idle’s contributions better than Inner Stickler’s. > > Looking back I disagree with a lot of what Stickler has said. No read on if that’s scummy or not. And yes, I agree on Idle. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2060 "2011-08-23T03:25:25Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I think you’ll find that his thoughts are useful, but contain absolutely zero opinions. At least look at my posts, [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475) and [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14168940&postcount=1672](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14168940&postcount=1672). I read extremely fast, as you probably know. Yes, I agree that Inner has not been taking clear positions and his posts are mostly “helpful-looking” or not-scum-finding comments. Although I have no idea if that’s at all unusual for Inner.\*\* I agree with your assessment\*\*, not sure of its conclusion yet, because Inner may just be that way. I’d be willing to challenge Inner once we find the scumbag within the 5 who have been scanned, I feel your case is fine but the odds are better that there’s a scum within Dance, Silver, Blaster, yourself or gnarly, and I’m not moving against gnarly for now. If you want me to press on Inner, help me find the scum within that group of 3. Then I’ll lynch whoever you like. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2061 "2011-08-23T03:35:00Z")
My head hurts. If this is Gad idea of fun, what does he/she do for a really wild night, Kitten Stomping? On first pass with all these claims, I cant see us having the mods lying to us or giving us paranoid cop type roles. A closed game where no one knows what powers they have is bad enough to start with, putting in intentional misdirection would give us a game that could be better resolved with a random number generator. I am assuming what the mods tell us is correct, how we interpret that information is another thing. It is possible the mod tells a person X, but they interpret that as meaning Y. Time for a lot of reading, Ill not be paying much attention to the peripheral stuff outside the current claimees, way too much to go through. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=104)