# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2082 "2011-08-23T04:15:46Z")
You could have me target gnarlycharlie since he did get a guilty result and I’m the one pressing that he’s innocent and I’m also not the poisoner. If I am the no-delay poisoner and charlie is guilty, woot the woot. If I am a delay poisoner, that’s not likely because that means there are 2 poisoners. If I am not the poisoner nothing happens to gnarly If I am guilty you can figure that out with your cops. Tee hee. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2083 "2011-08-23T04:18:14Z")
And yet again, I disagree. Mahaloth was poisoned. He did not die from poisoning. Some of this comes from my reading of the previous game, where someone was poisoned and announced at dawn, and the holder of the antidote could save them the next night. If you did target Mahaloth, you could be the poisoner, and had a role that did nothing on N0, like most of us. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2084 "2011-08-23T04:19:24Z")
Intriguing. Okay, I’ll buy that. Guess I’d better be more careful then. Ummm I’ll be targeting DanceCat if yall don’t lynch this person. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2085 "2011-08-23T04:19:48Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Death Miller? That’s what I’ve always heard it called when you have a role as follows: The player is town, and counts towards town for victory conditions. The player investigates as scum if investigated (the typical miller role). When the player dies, the mod death reveal claims they were scum. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2086 "2011-08-23T04:20:50Z")
in the other game there was a way to mess with investigations individually to make them come up wrong ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2087 "2011-08-23T04:21:46Z")
In any case, please target Blaster or DanceCat tonight, as you suggest that the poisoner do. Or target some random player that you think might be scum. My suggestions would be Inner Stickler and lilflower, but I’m sure your mileage will vary. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2088 "2011-08-23T04:22:47Z")
I \*would \*have poisoned myself, too. Tsk tsk, pizza… What a maroon! ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2089 "2011-08-23T04:23:50Z")
Hey, I could ask the “poisoner” to target DanceCat since I’m skeptical I’m the poisoner, and I’ll target Blaster if I am the poisoner, that way we can figure out which is the poisoner among us. Good idea? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2090 "2011-08-23T04:25:24Z")
That’s if we don’t lynch DanceCat, of course. I still think we should lynch one of DanceCat/Blaster today, and depending on the flip, poison the other, and I’ll target Silver Jan since I don’t think I’m the poisoner. That will clear 2 suspects and resolve my status in one move. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2091 "2011-08-23T04:26:35Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Hey, I could ask the “poisoner” to target DanceCat since I’m skeptical I’m the poisoner, and I’ll target Blaster if I am the poisoner, that way we can figure out which is the poisoner among us. > > Good idea? Except that we have no idea how many people targeted Mahloth last night. Obviously more than you. It could have been 10 or 20 for all we know now. But yeah, if everyone else who targeted Mahaloth last night targeted Blaster tonight, we’d have a clue. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2092 "2011-08-23T04:27:38Z")
NETA: or the other way round. Ooops. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2093 "2011-08-23T04:29:02Z")
Okay, lynch DanceCat, “other” folks target Blaster, I target Silver Jan. 2 suspects down, leaves only one non-mason suspect. We can quibble on the order; Dance first, Blaster first, or Jan first? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2094 "2011-08-23T04:30:34Z")
Also when did this become the TexCat and Pizza show? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2095 "2011-08-23T04:36:46Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Okay, lynch DanceCat, “other” folks target Blaster, I target Silver Jan. > > 2 suspects down, leaves only one non-mason suspect. > > We can quibble on the order; Dance first, Blaster first, or Jan first? Well, we can quibble all we want, but there are a lot of people not here. Also, I suggest that the results of the lynch might vary the night targets considerably. I actually think that Jan was telling the truth with her results. I know her results were false, but I think she was honest in reporting them. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2096 "2011-08-23T04:41:30Z")
And now, the flip side- If I’m wrong about the Dethy thing, then we still have no idea which of those 5 results we can trust. Therefore there is still some weight behind the argument to lynch gnarlycharlie. Not that I agree with it. Also, this sorta ignored my earlier advice to go based on scummy behavior and ignore the power roles; the only reason I’m even pursuing this is because under the Dethy setup, we have a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum on this very lynch, and 2 in 3 chance of hitting scum between the lynch and the poisoner role, and a 3 in 3 chance of eliminating all suspects except the masons (which have a fairly solid claim) by tomorrow night. Then if you haven’t found one, you poison charlie. [ul] [li] **So, if I’m right, you have a 2:3 chance of hitting scum in the next 24 game-hours. More realistically 2:5, but giving the masons the benefit of the doubt, you’ve got a 2:3 chance.** [/li][/ul] [ul] [li]\*\* If I’m wrong, you have a 4:5 chance of hitting scum in the next 48 game-hours.\*\*[/li][/ul] I don’t think that’s a bad hand to play, is it? And yes, I agree that Jan is the least suspected among the 3 non-masons. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2097 "2011-08-23T04:43:45Z")
So like, if we have a good strategy no matter if this is Dethy or not, shouldn’t we pursue it? If you nail a scum among Dance or Blaster, then lynching gnarly doesn’t even have to take place. You know that we have paranoid/insane cops in our midst, and you can have your OTHER cops scan him. That saves you a lynch if he’s innocent, and makes him die anyway if he’s guilty. It’s having your cake and eating it too. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2098 "2011-08-23T04:47:23Z")
before i read the case against me, > [@Dancecat](#): > > really? wow, i thought you guys frowned upon that sort of thing. that’s because he’s also not from this board.😃 > [@Gadarene](#): > > **MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT** > > DonkTimesFour is subbing in and will be replacing sachertorte. Everyone say hi. HelloTimesFour Donk! > [@Gadarene](#): > > **MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT** > > pwnsall is subbing in and will be replacing TimeLady. Everyone say hi to him as well. hello **pwnsall**! > [@crackedquads](#): > > I’m just now trying to catch up but jesus fucking christ someone who isn’t from 2p2 agrees with me, hooraayayyayayayyayay. > > I’ve already went around and around in circles on this issue during the end of the first day and through night, read it for some lols. as i said, he’s also not from this board. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2099 "2011-08-23T04:49:29Z")
I still recommend the strategy I’ve recommended since the beginning of this kerfuffle. Whoever targeted me last night(the real cop), target Gnarly tonight. Whoever thinks they might be a cop, target me. Everybody else target someone else who they think might be scum. I still recommend Inner Stickler and lilflower as scum. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2100 "2011-08-23T04:54:15Z")
I dunno, aren’t the results more useful if you scan a scumbag? True cop finds the scum for us = a possibility Naive cop finds out they are actually naive if they scan scum. Paranoid cop finds out they’re paranoid because gnarly = guilty while innocent PLUS guilty reading guilty = paranoid cop Insane cop targeting guilty = another innocent result, yielding: [ul] [li] True cop reading guilty[/li][li] Naive cop reading innocent[/li][li] Paranoid cop reading guilty[/li][li] Insane cop reading innocent[/li][li] Mafia cop lying to make it 3 versus 2.[/li][/ul] Then when we lynch that suspect, we get what the TRUE RESULT was, helping establish which was which. Isn’t that better? As such, you should NOT recommend being scanned by the cops if you’re innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2101 "2011-08-23T04:57:24Z")
I have 2 minutes here, and still haven’t read most of the thread, but I saw some chithcat about cops. Has Texact said who she targeted last night? I thought that maybe I got the info about her because she targeted me/Hirka. The weird thing there being why would she do that when Hirka only had one post. But I don’t think it was neceassarily a cop peek of any variety that told me she is a mason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=106)