# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2142 "2011-08-23T06:50:39Z")
Vote count please. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2143 "2011-08-23T06:56:42Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i don’t understand the votes on me. at the very least masons are given a day before getting lynched. > > is it because of the possibility of a scum mason? we don’t know that for sure. > > is it because **Jan** said i was scum? even she isn’t sure if she’s a cop. she just received the results. Probably because of jan’s message. I wouldn’t sweat it, the wagon should shift away from you tomorrow. You’re very clear looking for the time being. Also I want to mention this from d1 Post [738](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14154535&postcount=738) of mine about gnarly: > [@crackedquads](#): > > Think I just found a wolf: > > That’s all of his posts. So much crap, no wolf hunting. Touches on a few random players but his reasons are just summaries of what others have said. > > I don’t know how you guys feel about CFD’s (Chinese Fire Drills, lynching a random player late in the day), so I won’t really push this, but just keep note of him. > > I do think because of the wagon sizes there is a decent chance a wolf is a wagon, so a current lead wagon dying is fine by me. At the very least I’m not lynching texcat with him because I feel like gnarly is a wolf and his poor excuse for a texcat lynch is trying to save one of the other wagons. Underlined the important part. Now I very may well have been wrong about gnarly being a wolf, but his vote of texcat did look suspicious at the time, which was this: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\* > double crap! while doing a re-read, more posts came up. posting as i catch up. > > that’s hilarious but has a grain of truth in it. > > yeah, you were scum in SisC’s game too. no wonder you hate them. > > yes and no. we don’t want our biases to cloud our judgment but what’s to stop scum from taking advantage of our hesitation to vote for players from the other board? > > from what i’ve seen Krayz has been doing weird stuff but i’m not ready to call it scummy. > > not hot about peeker’s case. lot of meta here. haven’t played with him much. just one game so i can’t say. > > i’ll Vote \*\*Texcat \*\*for her vote on Mykbot. scum tend to play safe and not make controversial statements or potentially bad ones so i’m leaning/soft clearing Mykbot . voting for a bad idea is opportunistic. the OMGUS on lilflower makes me even more suspicious. > > on preview, i see Dancecat has racked up votes. hmmm… > > claimed seer? double hmmm. strange given the mystery setup. Which proves at a minimum that gnarly was legitimately suspicious of texcat. Thus he would have reasonable means to have targeted texcat at night, and alas that masonry is formed. Make’s it considerably less likely they are both w/w, because it would have to involve a ton of pre-planning on their parts. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2144 "2011-08-23T07:00:03Z")
Anyone voting for texcat or gnarly today is a fool, or a wolf. We need to decide if it’s better to lynch inside the other claimers or outside of them. There’s so much misinformation out there (bad seers, randomizers, redirectors) that I feel like we almost have to lynch inside the claim to get some sort of information, but I also think that whatever information we get isn’t likely to be helpful in solving the current fiasco. IE if we lynch whoever claimed gnarly was a wolf, that person may just be random role X and at night received the peek because of a redirector, so we actually learn nothing and very well may cause a mislynch. If we’re going outside the claim, I’d like to lynch someone like **Precambrian** Maybe he can change my mind tomorrow, but probably not. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2145 "2011-08-23T07:01:18Z")
I find it extremely likely that **gnarlycharlie** and **TexCat** are both Town Masons, as they say they are. Those slow to remove their votes from gnarly should be viewed with grave suspicion. For TexCat to lie would seem a bizarre bluff to run. For TexCat to be truthfully relaying a Moderator deceit would seem too gastardly. There’s a chance I’m wrong about this, but we can rethink this in the Days to come. I agree that that we should focus on normal scum-hunting toDay, and try to sort out the funny claims later when we have more info. I’m happy with with my vote on **Blaster Master** , especially seeing that he’s on this faulty gnarlie wagon. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2146 "2011-08-23T07:08:47Z")
I gotta run for the night. If gnarly flips scum, I’d like opinions on who I should poison. If he flips townie, I already know who gotta die. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2147 "2011-08-23T09:02:56Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > again, we didn’t share role PMs. Gad sent me a PM with my role and **TexCat** ’s filled out. > > in the previous game, did all masons have to look for each other? Wait, wait, wait - I thought TexCat had to target you to find out who you were? And that she was suspicious of you and voted you, and then targeted you Night One? Did I misread? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2148 "2011-08-23T09:04:56Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > No, Gnarly targeted me. I did not target Gnarly. But both of our full roles were given to both of us. I am sure that Gnarly is town. Sorry, had it backwards. But why the targeting if ye had role pm’s from the beginning? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2149 "2011-08-23T09:11:04Z")
Unrelated to above - is there an argument to be made for not lynching anyone who returned results last night? I’m worried that the 5 cops might each have a person that they always send their result to, and that lynching wrong will deprive us of cop results. At least holding off the lynch (of the people who say they got results) til tomorrow would let us find out if the same people get results or not? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2150 "2011-08-23T09:11:04Z")
If you figure out TexCat was scum somehow, I think I get my townie creds for trying real hard to kill it. But everyone was so sure and talked me down. So cheers. Ditto DanceCat. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2151 "2011-08-23T09:13:49Z")
So it seems like I set the cat amongst the pigeons again. I had not even considered that the information I received could be incorrect but it seems as if that is possible, especially considering the Masons claim. The only thing I know for sure is that I am a Villager, I don’t know what my role is. If I am lynched today, very little information will be gleaned except for perhaps my role. I haven’t really got another suspect at the moment because all those I was suspicious of seem to be confirming each other and surely not all of them can be scum, namely **gnarly** , **Tex and Weedy**. If they are all scum then it was either a very brave thing to do or a very silly thing to do and I just can’t see that happening. Why would 3 scum all openly protect each other? It doesn’t make sense. Anyway, this post is really to show you all that I am reading everything and I don’t know what to do about my vote yet. It is difficult once you have seen a name written down in black and white to dismiss it very easily. I am not inflexible though and I am willing to change my vote to a more likely candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2152 "2011-08-23T09:16:35Z")
Maybe as a personal favor to me you could push Dancecat a little closer to death. Even if no one bites, it gives us options near the end of the round which is rapidly approaching. Options are pro-town. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2153 "2011-08-23T09:26:22Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Sorry, had it backwards. But why the targeting if ye had role pm’s from the beginning? we (as in all the players) had incomplete PMs at the start of the game. by successfully targeting **TexCat** , the mod gave both of us our complete PMs. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > So it seems like I set the cat amongst the pigeons again. > > I had not even considered that the information I received could be incorrect but it seems as if that is possible, especially considering the Masons claim. The only thing I know for sure is that I am a Villager, I don’t know what my role is. If I am lynched today, very little information will be gleaned except for perhaps my role. > > I haven’t really got another suspect at the moment because all those I was suspicious of seem to be confirming each other and surely not all of them can be scum, namely **gnarly** , **Tex and Weedy**. If they are all scum then it was either a very brave thing to do or a very silly thing to do and I just can’t see that happening. Why would 3 scum all openly protect each other? It doesn’t make sense. > > Anyway, this post is really to show you all that I am reading everything and I don’t know what to do about my vote yet. It is difficult once you have seen a name written down in black and white to dismiss it very easily. I am not inflexible though and I am willing to change my vote to a more likely candidate. FWIW, i don’t think you’re scum. otherwise i would have already voted for you. if scum gave you that result, it paves the way for two town mislynches. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2154 "2011-08-23T09:31:10Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Maybe as a personal favor to me you could push Dancecat a little closer to death. > > Even if no one bites, it gives us options near the end of the round which is rapidly approaching. Options are pro-town. please post a link to your case of **DanceCat**. i’ve been catching up and defending myself plus you have a ton of posts. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2155 "2011-08-23T09:36:34Z")
I think it is a possibility that scum gave me that result and I no longer trust the result totally (apart from a little nagging at he back of my brain somewhere) so I am prepared to **Unvote gnarlycharlie** As I have no real suspects now I am just going to follow Pizza’s lead and hope to hell he isn’t scum. **Vote Dancecat** Well let’s see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2156 "2011-08-23T10:55:56Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > As I have no real suspects now I am just going to follow Pizza’s lead and hope to hell he isn’t scum. \ this is mas dangerous you are going to follow someone else’s lead. crud even as masons and scum we typically do our own thing. second i am becoming more and more concerned that **pizza** is not town. so this one puts your alignment which was already suspect even more in question. plus i think your judgement might be a tad faulty as well. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2157 "2011-08-23T10:59:01Z")
and fart you folks post a TON. hey **buff** how’s that thing with **mykbot** working out for you? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2158 "2011-08-23T12:32:28Z")
Jesus Christ. We have a person who got a Scum result now voting for someone other than the person they said was Scum. This is a fucking trainwreck and a half. Has ANYONE in the thread gotten a message about the role or alignment of any player that hasn’t already been mentioned? If so, out with it–if there are six results floating out there, it might get rid of the Dethy theory. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2159 "2011-08-23T12:41:52Z")
Unofficial and possibly inaccurate vote count (I know I don’t have all ATPG’s votes and unvotes) **gnarlycharlie (5):** [del]Weedy [1279][/del], lilflower [1720], [del]Idle Thoughts [1723-1825], brewha [1732-2020], Silver Jan [1735-2154][/del], [del]NAF1138 [1737-1898], Drain Bead [1738-1936], Giraffe [1768-1820], septimus [1771-1808][/del], Blaster Master [1813], [del]Scathach [1829-1879][/del], Astral Rejection [1971], Inner Stickler [2111], Precambrianmollusc [2123] **Silver Jan (5):** Zeriel [1126], [del]Blaster Master [1759-1806][/del], Weedy [1812], Giraffe [1820],Idle Thoughts[1825], Drain Bead [1936] **Scuba\_Ben (3):** [del]Blaster Master [1109][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1190][/del], Suburban Plankton [1449], [del]Weedy [1452-1812], Scathach [1499-1869], Idle Thoughts [1507][/del],Scathach [1895], Idle Thoughts [1904] **Giraffe (2):** Normal Phase [1157], peekercpa [1926], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341], Astral Rejection [1547-1971], Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del] **Blaster Master (2):** sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], septimus [1808] **Dancecat (2):** Askthepizzaguy, Silver Jan [2154] **peekercpa (1):** [del]Giraffe [1320][/del], bufftabby [1646], [del]septimus [1664][/del] **Weedy (1):** Scuba\_Ben [1586], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1590][/del] **Episkey (1):** crackedquads [1552] **TexCat (1):** Dancecat [1787] **Precambrianmollusc (1):** [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del], crackedquads [2143] **Askthepizzaguy (0):** [del]peekercpa [1524][/del] **Brewha (0):** [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del] **DonkTimesFour (0):** [del]peekercpa [1663][/del] End of Day in 6.5 hours? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2160 "2011-08-23T13:01:10Z")
Alright, after getting caught up (AGAIN!), I see that SilverJan’s role may not be as important as I thought. I originally feared that she may be the one and only seer (I now realize that that is silly considering the scope of the game) and that lynching her my be very detrimental to the town. But, it seems the more likely situation is that she is one of several cops in varying states of mental coherence. So, the only way to know for sure is to start lynching cops, I guess. I just don’t like that option. If Silverjan is an insane cop, she’s still very useful. But, if she’s a naive or paranoid cop - her reads mean nothing. I guess the only way we’re going to sort this mess is to lynch one of the parties and go from there based on role and alignment. Vote SilverJan ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2161 "2011-08-23T13:03:04Z")
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