# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 109
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2162 "2011-08-23T13:04:23Z")
I have read the thread now, but I didn’t notice any burning questions for me. Some people asked if I was fake-peeking: No, I’m not. I don’t think there is anything more I can usefully say about the message I got. Lynching outside the claim: there are really only the two mason claims. Everyone else is just passing on information they don’t know how they got, of unknown reliability. There was a theory yesterday that Krays was an alternate lynch to a wolf. The other lynches were Peeker, Texcat, and Silver Jan. Assuming Texcat is a mason, that leaves Peeker and Silver Jan. I have vague-ish suspicions of Jan. I don’t have anything on peeker. I think it would be bad to lynch a mason today. For these reasons, I am leaving my vote on Jan. I thought the case on Ben was good, but I don’t think he would have cleared Jan like that if he was scum with her, and peeker’s was the wagon he was jumping on and off. So I am thinking ‘indecisive Townie’ for him now. I don’t at all like the votes on the claimed masons, especially ones that say it will give us information to lynch one or other of them. (PCM, I’m looking at you in particular). But there was a lot of confusion today. Lots of people totally failing to understand what was going on. That makes it hard to analyse who is genuinely confused, who is pretending to be confused and who isn’t confused but has a different way of thinking to me. I’ll look more at this tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2163 "2011-08-23T13:04:37Z")
I think it’s more like 6:56 from right now. 3 PM CST ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2164 "2011-08-23T13:05:23Z")
I had EOD at 5 a.m. my time, but maybe that’s wrong, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2165 "2011-08-23T13:06:23Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Jesus Christ. We have a person who got a Scum result now voting for someone other than the person they said was Scum. This is a fucking trainwreck and a half. > > Has ANYONE in the thread gotten a message about the role or alignment of any player that hasn’t already been mentioned? If so, out with it–if there are six results floating out there, it might get rid of the Dethy theory. I’m kind of giggling at that as well. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2166 "2011-08-23T13:09:26Z")
Oh yeah, the Dethy theory. I think there is zero evidence for it. There could be paranoid or whatever cops in this game, but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2167 "2011-08-23T13:11:09Z")
We could always just lynch giraffe and be done with one scum. Just a fucking thought. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2168 "2011-08-23T13:15:17Z")
The main drawback I can see to lynching **Jan** (and yes, I do realize I am voting for her at the moment) is that she might not be a cop at all, but might still be Town. My fear about this game is that none of the cops get their own results. So we may have multiple cops, some reliable and some unreliable, and all of their results end up broadcast to random targets. The amount of unfiltered noise there is unbelievable. I wouldn’t even begin to have an idea of how to sort through it all. I do find **Tex** and **gnarly** to be pretty believable, because it seems highly likely that **gnarly** targeted **Tex** last Night, and the Mason handshake is a Night action (like in the Sekham games). If you don’t have an idea of what your role does, it might be worth targeting one of the two of them toNight, to see if you might be a Mason. So here’s my theory. We lynch **SilverJan**. If she turns up Town and not a paranoid or insane Cop, _anyone who targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night should self-target toNight._ I say this because if you targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night, you could be a crazy broadcasting Cop of some type. If you target yourself, and you investigate back as Scum (to you or to someone else), now you know it. It might be worth it for anyone who targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night to come out now…do we think the Scum would take a shot at a possible Insane or Paranoid Cop, given all the other targets? What do you guys think of this idea? ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2169 "2011-08-23T13:21:18Z")
I’m not even close to caught up yet, but has the possibility of a wolf message sender been discussed yet? Because if there is one in this game, that would explain an awful lot. I want to lynch entirely outside the claims, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2170 "2011-08-23T13:22:18Z")
Wait, why do I have votes? Especially from Pizza? wtf, I better not wake up dead tomorrow morning. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2171 "2011-08-23T13:23:36Z")
**unvote Texcat** not sure where my vote will ultimately land, but definitely not there ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2172 "2011-08-23T13:24:44Z")
The cops themselves might have some idea of what’s going on from this, since they know who they targeted. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2173 "2011-08-23T13:26:15Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > The main drawback I can see to lynching **Jan** (and yes, I do realize I am voting for her at the moment) is that she might not be a cop at all, but might still be Town. > > My fear about this game is that none of the cops get their own results. So we may have multiple cops, some reliable and some unreliable, and all of their results end up broadcast to random targets. The amount of unfiltered noise there is unbelievable. I wouldn’t even begin to have an idea of how to sort through it all. > > I do find **Tex** and **gnarly** to be pretty believable, because it seems highly likely that **gnarly** targeted **Tex** last Night, and the Mason handshake is a Night action (like in the Sekham games). If you don’t have an idea of what your role does, it might be worth targeting one of the two of them toNight, to see if you might be a Mason. > > So here’s my theory. We lynch **SilverJan**. If she turns up Town and not a paranoid or insane Cop, _anyone who targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night should self-target toNight._ I say this because if you targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night, you could be a crazy broadcasting Cop of some type. If you target yourself, and you investigate back as Scum (to you or to someone else), now you know it. > > It might be worth it for anyone who targeted \*\*gnarlycharlie[/leb] last Night to come out now…do we think the Scum would take a shot at a possible Insane or Paranoid Cop, given all the other targets? What do you guys think of this idea? as i said earlier i find it improbable that **Jan** would accuse me of being scum if she were scum. it’s just too easy to verify. that said your theory could be correct about her or she was the target of some broadcasting scum. that would make town lynch me and her two straight Days leaving town saying WTF. i also mentioned earlier that my PM said i felt safe. so it’s possible a doc/angel targeted me last night. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2174 "2011-08-23T13:29:57Z")
I just now got back. I haven’t been able to catch up from post 1501 on, due to day job and very very tired. I feared I’d be checking in and resigning myself to being lynched. Instead I find I’m now 3rd, with Silver Jan first. I wish to repeat the message I received overNight: I was informed that Silver Jan is a Villager. If Jan flips Wolf then either I am lying about my message or my message is lying to me. There’s more information to be gained by lynching me – should I flip Town (and I will) it demonstrates that I am accurately reporting my message AND strongly indicates that Idle accurately reported HIS message about Dancecat. I need to review the case on gnarlycharlie, buried somewhere in the last 10 pages. For now, I prefer to see GC hang than Jan, because I consider Jan confirmed Town. \*\*unvote Weedy vote gnarlycharlie \*\* And now to look at the posts voting on GC and Jan. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2175 "2011-08-23T13:31:29Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > … > It might be worth it for anyone who targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night to come out now…do we think the Scum would take a shot at a possible Insane or Paranoid Cop, given all the other targets? What do you guys think of this idea? I was going to post this anyway: I targeted gnarlycharlie last Night. I received no result with respect to my action. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2176 "2011-08-23T13:36:18Z")
Ben, short version - gnarly and texcat have claimed mason. Silver Jan got a message saying gnarly was scum; I got a message saying texcat was town mason. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2177 "2011-08-23T13:38:09Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I definitely got the information that **gnarly** is a wolf and as I am not allowed to post the actual PM this is what I thought. At first I was curious as to why my 2nd target got a result but as I pondered further I came to think that someone else must have targeted **gnarly** and I got their night action instead of whomever sent the action out. I have just re read my PM and \*\*Gnarly \*\*IS a wolf, whether I am a seer or not I have no idea but I didn’t kill anyone either as far as I know. > > How do I manage to get myself into messes like this? Yes, it’s a rhetorical question. Wow. That is very interesting. And I only just now saw this post by searching for Jan’s posts. I targeted gnarlycharlie. Jan got an investigation result on him. I got an investigation result on Jan. Did ANYBODY get an investigation result on THEIR OWN target? (Don’t answer that Today!) And crazy stuff is, Jan seems to be the vote leader at present! Let me throw out an idea: Lynch me. I flip Town, validating my information that Jan is a Villager. This in turn validates Jan’s information that gnarlycharlie is a Wolf. Then we can lynch gnarlycharlie Tomorrow, and spend the rest of the Day comparing notes on who targeted whom and got results on whom. What do you all think? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2178 "2011-08-23T13:40:00Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Ben, short version - gnarly and texcat have claimed mason. Silver Jan got a message saying gnarly was scum; I got a message saying texcat was town mason. That’s even more interesting. I haven’t pulled garnly’s posts yet – that annoying 120 second timeout between searches. I just pulled the search and will check. Scum masons are not unheard of. Where’s texcat’s claim? It’ll help speed up the searching. TIA. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2179 "2011-08-23T13:40:05Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I was going to post this anyway: I targeted gnarlycharlie last Night. I received no result with respect to my action. well you might be a doc. so why did you target me? i didn’t draw any attention yesterDay. ```auto i'd prefer to lynch outside the claimants. i'm looking at the other wagons, except **TexCat** , of course. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2180 "2011-08-23T13:40:27Z")
**UPDATED DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** Through post #2176 gnarlycharlie (6): [del]Weedy [1279][/del], lilflower [1720], [del]Idle Thoughts [1723][/del], [del]brewha [1732][/del], [del]Silver Jan [1735][/del], [del]NAF1138 [1737][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1738][/del], [del]Giraffe [1768][/del], [del]septimus [1771][/del], Blaster Master [1813], [del]Scathach [1872][/del], Astral Rejection [1971], Inner Stickler [2111], Precambrianmollusc [2123], Scuba\_Ben [2173] Silver Jan (5): Zeriel [1126], [del]Blaster Master [1759][/del], Weedy [1812], Giraffe [1820], [del]Idle Thoughts [1825][/del], Drain Bead [1936], brewha [2159] Scuba\_Ben (3): [del]Blaster Master [1109][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1190][/del], Suburban Plankton [1449], [del]Weedy [1452][/del], [del]Scathach [1499][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1507][/del], Scathach [1895], Idle Thoughts [1904] Giraffe (2): Normal Phase [1157], [del]peekercpa [1267][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341][/del], [del]Astral Rejection [1547][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del], peekercpa [1927] Blaster Master (2): sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del], septimus [1808] Dancecat (2): Askthepizzaguy [1969], Silver Jan [2154] peekercpa (1): [del]Giraffe [1320][/del], bufftabby [1646], [del]septimus [1664][/del] Precambrianmollusc (1): [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del], crackedquads [2143] Episkey (0): [del]crackedquads [1552][/del] DonkTimesFour (0): [del]peekercpa [1663][/del] TexCat (0): [del]Dancecat [1787][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1929][/del] Askthepizzaguy (0): [del]peekercpa [1524][/del] Brewha (0): [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del] Weedy (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [1586][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1590][/del] Please PM me with any corrections. DAY ENDS IN ~5 HOURS. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2181 "2011-08-23T13:41:38Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > That’s even more interesting. > > I haven’t pulled garnly’s posts yet – that annoying 120 second timeout between searches. I just pulled the search and will check. > > Scum masons are not unheard of. > > Where’s texcat’s claim? It’ll help speed up the searching. TIA. so **weedy** is scum too? she said **TexCat** is town AND a mason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=108) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=110)