# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2262 "2011-08-23T15:31:05Z")
God, if all the claims are true, then ALL of our top wagons yesterDay were bad. Based on the level of activity close to eod, can that be true? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2263 "2011-08-23T15:31:20Z")
**Blam** keeps referring to my vote on him as “lazy.” He pinged me early on with a style of avoiding a Lurker charge by posting helpful-looking posts that didn’t help. Most of his votes have made little sense. To just mention two recent ones: Jan accuses Charlie of being a Wolf so Blam votes for … Jan. Then a Mason claim is made on Charlie’s behalf so Blam votes for … Charlie. :smack: I’ll admit that these votes are so bizarrely anti-Town as to suggest Blam is not Scum, after all. Still, Blam is one of my top two candidates right now. I’d be willing to move my vote to **peekercpa**. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2264 "2011-08-23T15:31:35Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > what is fascinating to me is that a whole bunch of scummers hook on my ass D1. easy lynch, not too antogonistic, post too little kind of french. \*\* giraffe\*\* is scum, that’s kind of a given at this point. i was worried about **ben** but shoot i just think he is clueles. and after toDay i think **jan** is scum as well. **pizza** is not town but we can leave that alone for a moment. so you have to start digging deep for the rest of the fartwads. don’t really have a heck of a lot there for the moment but will add: > hey > hey, **drain** whadup? > hey, **ed** whadup? > hey. **buff** heard from **mykbot**? I’m really not scum, I am a Villager!! What I wanted to ask you though is why do you keep insisting that\*\* Giraffe\*\* IS scum? I think it was **NAF** that said he was suspicious of\*\* Ed\*\*, well I am too but I am not sure if it’s just a reaction to him voting for me or not and as it looks like I could be mislynched today then I have to say that I targeted\*\* Ed\*\* last Night, not really caring what my power would do and hopefully I would find out something about him. As it happens I didn’t find out anything. I have been concentrating on other players today so I haven’t gone back to read up everything about\*\* Ed\*\* but if I was that suspicious of him that I used my night action on him, I think its only right that I vote for him toDay. **Unvote** **Vote Special Ed** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2265 "2011-08-23T15:31:49Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Hey peeker, you never answered my question a few pages back: is this fixation of yours on me due to getting a message about me being scum? Please answer yes or no. > > In the meantime, while I await your answer: given that I don’t think **Silver Jan** is likely scum and you’re the person **Mahaloth** (wolf) voted to help on D1 when you were the lynch leader, I think I’ll park my vote back on you. > > **unvote Silver Jan** > **vote peeker** > > I encourage others to read the posts right before this whole **Silver Jan** / **gnarliecharley** thing broke: the timeline of Day 1 voting is pretty interesting if one assumes that a wolf may have been one of the bandwagon leaders. probably the last post that i get to make. you made back to back conflicting posts. the second one was a back down from your first based on no one you knew. but it sounded like you were getting some inside info. but that wasn’t all. then you climb down my ass for voting your for such obvious insonsistency. jeebz dude crawl down all you want but a vote? that’s a scum that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. and fart you are still on me toDay. if i am wrong and i am scum then i would think you would welcome your lynch because i am setup tomorrow. fuck one town for a scum. that’s a deal that townie takes every time. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2266 "2011-08-23T15:32:15Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I really don’t like lynching any of the people who claimed they got messages. I’d prefer to to wait til the next day and see if the same people claim to get messages or a different set of people > > With that in mind > **Unvote Scuba\_ben[** This doesn’t make sense. The fact that someone received a message says absolutely nothing about their alignment. Or did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2267 "2011-08-23T15:33:22Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > After some more thinking, and reading **lilflower** in #1883, I have to agree that lynching a claimed mason with a corroborating mason claim is Not Good Play. > > **unvote gnarlycharlie** > > AOP. Defensive, self-preservation vote, as I will be AFK for the last hour of the Day: **vote Silver Jan** and hope that I got a false message. I’m blaming **lilflower** for forcing me to cast a self-preservation vote. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > First off, my Day 1 play always comes across bad. So my assessments of Scummy or not-Scummy are not significant. I think my best function on D1 is to get people to talk, and if possible avoid talking myself onto the D2 scaffold. > > I goofed in my own thinking late Yesterday. I wanted to prevent Scum from swooping in at the last minute and changing the lynch, so I pushed the vote leader farther to the front. And that was Krayz. But I realized since then that D1 is a very bad time to telegraph a last-minute save that badly. So I would have been better off leaving my vote where it was. > > And part of BlaM’s case against me is the “third vote on the bandwagon is Scummy” issue. Well, “voting because third-vote-on-the-bandwagon-is-scummy is scummy.” And voting because VB3VotBiSiS is scummy. And voting because VBVB3VotBiSiSiS is scummy. Etc. So your case against me starts with an incredibly weak proposition. Why don’t you pursue **Weedy** for being the third voter Today on Jan, **Idle Thoughts** for being the third on gnarly, or **Suburban Plankton** for being the third on me? > > I have two targets tonight, and unless gnarlycharlie has claimed a feeling of protection I strongly doubt I have a killing power. I’ll be glad to target you, BlaM, if you want. > > AOP @ gnarlycharlie: You’re calling me out for a self-preservation vote? WTF? I read your vote on me as a different kind of OMGUS. What, precisely, is wrong with a self preservation vote? > > And I blame lilflower because if e hadn’t voted me, I wouldn’t have felt the need for a self preservation vote. But then BlaM came along and revoted me. E at least has laid out a case against me, and put eir vote back on me partly to make sure I replied. You haven’t done anything close to that. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > ABWOP as BlaM’s 2247 didn’t show when I previewed the second time. If I survive the Day, I might have more messages or _something_ from my two targets Tonight. That might help our information overload. > > Unlike you, I’m not confused “even more,” I started there. 🙂 > > AOP @ gnarly. Question for you: Did you get a “feeling of protection” or a similar question last Night? i misunderstood your post. **Unvote Scuba Ben** and, yes, i did feel safe last Night. do you know something about that? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2268 "2011-08-23T15:34:48Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I really don’t like lynching any of the people who claimed they got messages. I’d prefer to to wait til the next day and see if the same people claim to get messages or a different set of people > > With that in mind > **Unvote Scuba\_ben** Red please. 🙂 > [@septimus](#): > > TexCat reports in #1976 that gnarly reported such a feeling to him. (It took me several minutes to track that down. :smack: … Texcat posted a dozen times or so between the initial Mason claim and this.) > > I’m not 100% sure my PM referred to Protection. Would it be useful to compare these “protection” PM’s? > > **@ Gad – what are precise rules for paraphrasing PMs. Can I give 1 or 2 words? Synonyms for such word(s)?** **MODERATOR NOTE** Just don’t purport to quote passages from your PM. If you received a message that Salem was the capital of Oregon, it would be hard to relay anything about the substance of that message without using at least two of the three words “Salem,” “capital,” and “Oregon,” so don’t worry about it too much. Here’s an example. Your PM states as follows: “Somebody whispers to you that your hat is green.” You wish to convey the substance of this PM in-thread. Things That Are Okay To Post Apparently my hat is green. Somebody told me my hat was green. I’ve got a green hat, according to a message I received last night. Things That Are Not Okay To Post My PM last night said: “Somebody whispers to you that your hat is green.” Let me know if this doesn’t make sense, and as always PM me beforehand if you’re not sure whether it’s okay to post something, and I’ll make the call. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2269 "2011-08-23T15:35:04Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > **UPDATED DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** > > Through post #2229 > > Silver Jan (5): Zeriel [1126], [del]Blaster Master [1759][/del], Weedy [1812], Giraffe [1820], [del]Idle Thoughts [1825][/del], Drain Bead [1936], brewha [2159] > gnarlycharlie (4): [del]Weedy [1279][/del], [del]lilflower [1720][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1723][/del], [del]brewha [1732][/del], [del]Silver Jan [1735][/del], [del]NAF1138 [1737][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1738][/del], [del]Giraffe [1768][/del], [del]septimus [1771][/del], [del]Blaster Master [1813][/del], [del]Scathach [1872][/del], Astral Rejection [1971], Inner Stickler [2111], Precambrianmollusc [2123], Scuba\_Ben [2173] > Scuba\_Ben (4): [del]Blaster Master [1109][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1190][/del], Suburban Plankton [1449], [del]Weedy [1452][/del], [del]Scathach [1499][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1507][/del], Scathach [1895], Idle Thoughts [1904], lilflower [2222] > Blaster Master (3): sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del], septimus [1808], NAF1138 [2187] > Dancecat (2): Askthepizzaguy [1969], Silver Jan [2154] > Giraffe (1): [del]Normal Phase [1157][/del], [del]peekercpa [1267][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341][/del], [del]Astral Rejection [1547][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del], peekercpa [1927] > peekercpa (1): [del]Giraffe [1320][/del], bufftabby [1646], [del]septimus [1664][/del] > Precambrianmollusc (1): [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del], crackedquads [2143] > Inner Stickler (1): TexCat [2204] > Brewha (1): [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del], Normal Phase [2209] > Episkey (0): [del]crackedquads [1552][/del] > DonkTimesFour (0): [del]peekercpa [1663][/del] > TexCat (0): [del]Dancecat [1787][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1929][/del] > Askthepizzaguy (0): [del]peekercpa [1524][/del] > Weedy (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [1586][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1590][/del] > > Please PM me with any corrections. > > DAY ENDS IN ~4 HOURS. > [@Scathach](#): > > I really don’t like lynching any of the people who claimed they got messages. I’d prefer to to wait til the next day and see if the same people claim to get messages or a different set of people Hmm, of the lynch leaders, that only leaves Blaster Master to vote for. But I liked BlasterMaster’s case against Scuba\_Ben and voting for someone I don’t find scummy is just plain weird. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2270 "2011-08-23T15:36:38Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > [473](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151915&postcount=473) Inner’s vote on me yesterday. No comment, no opinion, just a vote. He later said he didn’t like me voting for a bad idea. Quite a few people voted for NAF’s bad idea, and yet, Inner didn’t see fit to vote for them, or comment on them. Did he ever even voice an opinion on them? I don’t think so. He has voiced almost no opinions on anything this game. And now he is voting GnarlyCharlie who I know is town and most of you think is likely to be town. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > We had a whole discussion about Voting for Bad Ideas Yesterday and after everyone got on the same page, you came along and dropped your crap vote as if none of the discussion ever happened. So I voted for you. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings but lynching me’s not gonna answer any of the questions from today and that’s the more interesting mess. Frankly, if you’re\* not voting for one of the people invovled, and I would almost limit that to Jan, Gnarly, and Texcat, maybe Weedy, I can’t help but think you don’t want to leave a real record. > > \*general you Ok, I don’t think this got the attention it deserved. _ **AHEM! EVERYONE PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ABOVE QUOTES AND FOLLOW THE LINK BACK TO INNER STICKLERS ORIGINAL VOTE!** _ I would like to hear some feedback. I know it’s late in the Day and things are happening fast, but the above looks horrible for Sticky to me. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2271 "2011-08-23T15:37:03Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Red please. 🙂 :smack: \*\* Unvote Scuba\_Ben \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2272 "2011-08-23T15:39:17Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > This doesn’t make sense. The fact that someone received a message says absolutely nothing about their alignment. Or did I miss something? I’m worried that the cops will always send the result to the same people. Not every cop can have been hit by a randomiser surely? (This is assuming five cops of course) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2273 "2011-08-23T15:40:37Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > By the way BlaM can you reconcile the thinking in [THIS POST](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14169869) with [THIS POST](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14172488). > > Please explain, because I certainly can’t. Oh, this I like. The reasoning for the unvote directly contradicts the reasoning for the vote. I’m referring to the “probably scum, but if mason oh well at least we learn something” air of the first post as compared to the “not worth lynching a claimed mason” of the second one. Check the links. **unvote** **vote: Blaster Master** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2274 "2011-08-23T15:42:02Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh, this I like. The reasoning for the unvote directly contradicts the reasoning for the vote. I’m referring to the “probably scum, but if mason oh well at least we learn something” air of the first post as compared to the “not worth lynching a claimed mason” of the second one. Check the links. > > **unvote** > **vote: Blaster Master** I know right. I don’t like it. If BlaM is taking off again I might rethink my second guessing of my gut. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2275 "2011-08-23T15:43:03Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > What? You were just talking about how town should lynch you and now you are all about self-preservation? And you are voting for the one person that you allegedly got a message about? And now you are leaving us? Wow. Oh wait, and you are blaming me for all of this. > > For the record, I really hate self-preservation votes. I’m happy with my vote. That was back when I thought lynching me would provide useful information. Now I’ve reasoned through based on all the messages running around that the only information from my lynch would be that I’m accurately reporting the message I received. The problem with the messages is this: Jan got a message that gnarlycharlie is a Wolf. TexCat got a Mod note that gnarlycharlie is a mason, and got gnarly’s full role which says gnarly is Town. TF. One of the two pieces of information is false. Gnarlycharlie cannot be both Town and Wolf. Either someone got a false message, or someone is lying about their message. That applies to all the messages, though. But Weedy corroborates TexCat’s mason claim. So lynching the clamed mason gnarly is presently a bad idea. Therefore, it is more likely that Jan either got a false message, or she is lying and I got a false message. @gnarlycharlie: Thanks, I’ll add that to my list. I might be a doc, or I might be a vig who found a doc’s patient, no way to tell at the moment. Only up to 1941. Still need to get to 1976. Got to stop reading the current state of the game. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2276 "2011-08-23T15:43:31Z")
I have a bad tendency to second guess myself at the last minute. I would still rather see BlaM lynched than any of the candidates above him. Sticks is looking horrible to me as well, and at the moment worse than BlaM purely based on my gut reaction to BlaM responding to that post. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2277 "2011-08-23T15:43:38Z")
**vote farking giraffe.** lord are you folks really this obtuse? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2278 "2011-08-23T15:44:40Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **vote farking giraffe.** > lord are you folks really this obtuse? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2279 "2011-08-23T15:46:58Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Yes. otay. that’s cool then. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2280 "2011-08-23T15:48:38Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I’m worried that the cops will always send the result to the same people. Not every cop can have been hit by a randomiser surely? > > (This is assuming five cops of course) True, but couldn’t the cops be sending these messages to scum (i.e., a town cop is sending a message to player X but has no idea of the alignment of player X)? I guess I’m not seeing how we could learn anything about the recipient just because they received a message. Also, I don’t recall \*\*Idle \*\*or \*\*NAF \*\*claiming to have gotten another message toDay so it doesn’t seem like the same people are getting the messages. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2281 "2011-08-23T15:49:59Z")
Well hell, it appears I will never be able to catch up with this thread; every time I get to the end I refresh and there are 30 more posts… I’m still OK with my vote on **Scuba\_Ben** , for all of the reasons that existed before all of the claims started flying around. It seems more likely than not that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*and \*\*TexCat \*\*are both Masons, though whether or not they are both Villagers is another question. As for all of the ‘Cop talk’; I think lots and lots of assumptions are being made. Yes we have a bunch of people who claim to have received results. If they are all telling the truth, then we might have a bunch of Cops, and this might be a ‘Dethy’ setup. But we don’t know that all of the results are not from Cops; maybe some are from other players who can send messages. And if they are all from Cops, there’s still nothing to imply what ‘flavor’ each of those Cops is at this point I’m starting to become very frustrated with **peeker** , who doesn’t seem to be even pretending to help out at the moment. His three topics of conversation are “\*\*Giraffe \*\*is Scum”, “ **Mykbot** is quiet”, and something about his ongoing vision problems. On the flipside of that, \*\*Giraffe \*\*isn’t coming across too well either. He’s simply fixated on **peeker** , with a couple of side trips to join the \*\*gnarly \*\*and \*\*Jan \*\*bandwagons temporarily. I have no idea what the case is against **Dancecat**. I’d still like to know how \*\*Texcat \*\*knew that \*\*gnarly \*\*was targeted by a non-investigative role last Night (see Post 1774). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=115)