# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2302 "2011-08-23T16:20:43Z")
@ **peeker** #2276: Why should we vote Giraffe? Yes, I am that obtuse. Please lay out your case for me with as much clarity as you can manage and with the fewest words necessary. @ **pwnsall** #2287: Welcome back! We’re not claiming investigations, we’re claiming we received messages. There is a potential for a huge difference. For example, I targeted gnarlycharlie, but received a message about Silver Jan. gnarly reported he was informed that he had been protected; I seem to recall somebody else saying gnarly had been targeted. What I conclude from this is that I do not have investigation powers, I received information (potentially false) from someone else, and that I might have a protective power. @ **TexCat** #2284: Good point, Inner insisting that we lynch one of the people involved in the circle o’ messages. I think we need additional information about all the messages before we truly attack the whole pile of message recipients and message subjects. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2303 "2011-08-23T16:20:54Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’d like to know why Inner thinks any of Jan, gnarly, or Texcat (or Weedy, as an afterthought – and why is Weedy an afterthought?) is very likely to be scum – that’s the only context in which his near-threat makes any sense. I doubt there are 5 or more people whose only function is to send fake messages to other players. Some of the results are probably correct and we can talk and argue and postulate for the next 4 Days and never actually know or we can lynch someone and find out now. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2304 "2011-08-23T16:24:02Z")
How kosher is it for me to talk about mechanics from the other game he got this idea from? **scuba ben** so you just got messages saying whoever was villager/wolf or mason results did you believe your message, and you do still believe it now? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2305 "2011-08-23T16:24:49Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I haven’t overplayed anything but your sudden interest in Texcat’s fixation intrigues me. I’ve been keeping up a hell of a lot more than half the players here. Pretty much the entire conversation that has happened on this last page is a retread of the conversation from last night. We got a bunch of alignment claims and everyone seems to think they should all be hands-off. I want to jump in the middle and get some answers. I am picking up cases as things start to make sense to me. It’s why I do better in the action, like this, than I do re-reading. Taking several pages in a chunk is information overload for me and I can’t do anything with it. Something like this, I can talk to you while things are fresh and tease stuff out. You are being strangely combative, but maybe that’s just the new you? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2306 "2011-08-23T16:24:52Z")
I knew it was a mistake to go to bed…geez-us all the posts… Okay, I’m not yet to the end of the thread, but I’m going to reply, so far, to what I have before I forget my current thoughts of them. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Or they could take care of Blaster, not sure. I think the poisoner should decide, not have anyone dictate it to them. > [@TexCat](#): > > In any case, please target Blaster or DanceCat tonight, as you suggest that the poisoner do. Or target some random player that you think might be scum. My suggestions would be Inner Stickler and lilflower, but I’m sure your mileage will vary. Here’s a new thought: How do you know the poisoner is even TOWN? To me “poisoner” sounds like a very negative, shady sort of role. Maybe it’s a scum or third party role. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I just now got back. I haven’t been able to catch up from post 1501 on, due to day job and very very tired. I feared I’d be checking in and resigning myself to being lynched. > > Instead I find I’m now 3rd, with Silver Jan first. > > I wish to repeat the message I received overNight: I was informed that Silver Jan is a Villager. > > If Jan flips Wolf then either I am lying about my message or my message is lying to me. There’s more information to be gained by lynching me – should I flip Town (and I will) it demonstrates that I am accurately reporting my message AND strongly indicates that Idle accurately reported HIS message about Dancecat. As has already been said, I don’t think anyone is arguing that people aren’t telling the truth about the messages they got, I think it’s more of a matter that they are from random cops and we don’t know if they’re to be believed or not. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2307 "2011-08-23T16:26:09Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > How kosher is it for me to talk about mechanics from the other game he got this idea from? Kosher. I don’t think Gad would have invited you all to play if he didn’t expect that to happen a little. I don’t know that we can read too much into anything, but if you have ideas you might as well share. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2308 "2011-08-23T16:27:32Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > you made back to back conflicting posts. the second one was a back down from your first based on no one you knew. but it sounded like you were getting some inside info. but that wasn’t all. then you climb down my ass for voting your for such obvious insonsistency. jeebz dude crawl down all you want but a vote? that’s a scum that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. and fart you are still on me toDay. if i am wrong and i am scum then i would think you would welcome your lynch because i am setup tomorrow. fuck one town for a scum. that’s a deal that townie takes every time. Really, that’s your whole thing? That’s why you’ve been posting that people should vote for me in size 7 fonts for the past two Days? That’s why you’ve said again and again that you know for 100% certain I am scum? Wow. Let me remind you that Day one was only 24 real hours long. There wasn’t time to wait until the perfect moment to cast the most nuanced vote – I just went ahead and voted for someone who pinged me initially (Dancecat), in large part due to supporting info that turned out to be incorrect. Big fucking deal. Votes aren’t engraved in stone, people cast early votes that they take back all the time. Yet you come along and pounce on that like it means something – that itself felt scummy to me. So farkin’ what? Are you going to spend the rest of the game butthurt that you got a vote on Day one? Or are you scum trying to deflect attention from the bandwagon your buddies created to pull your ass from the fire? **Everyone, please go back and look at lilflower’s Day one voting timeline, which I quote in post #1760.**** peeker **was neck in neck with** TexCat **and** SilverJan **before the** Krayz** bandwagon broke away – of the three, he’s the most likely wolf at this point. I’m not trying to fixate on **peeker** , but if you look at that voting (including wolf **Mahaloth** ’s third vote on **Krayz** ), it certainly looks like there’s some information in there we don’t want to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2309 "2011-08-23T16:29:06Z")
**Vote count, pretty pretty please?** ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2310 "2011-08-23T16:29:20Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > \ > > As has already been said, I don’t think anyone is arguing that people aren’t telling the truth about the messages they got, I think it’s more of a matter that they are from random cops and we don’t know if they’re to be believed or not. I don’t believe that everyone who got a message really got one. I have no reason to explicitly believe anyone at this point. Look at what is happening now: more than one player is advocating not lynching anyone who got a message, so any scum who is lying just got a free pass for toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2311 "2011-08-23T16:29:52Z")
ETA: This @ Inner – got interrupted halfway through and forgot the pace of posting. I’m arguing that: – masons vouching for each other with no “outs” are almost always town. That’s the case here: TexCat and gnarly are vouching for each other’s innocence, no ifs ands or buts. Unless Gadarene lied to Texcat, gnarly is town. – Silver Jan has little motive, if scum, to try for a provably fake investigation result, even if she knows ahead of time there might be enough confusion out there to let her wiggle out of it for a while. Heck even if the message is real (but wrong), she has little motive as scum to report it. And Scuba Ben has a message saying she’s town, which under the circumstances I hardly know if that’s worth the toilet tissue it was probably written on, but still. Of the three, Silver Jan is the one I could still buy as mafia (certainly as third party), yet you voted for gnarlycharlie. Explain where your logic differs from mine. It’s not just a matter of throwing darts. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2312 "2011-08-23T16:30:20Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > How kosher is it for me to talk about mechanics from the other game he got this idea from? > > **scuba ben** > > so you just got messages saying whoever was villager/wolf or mason results > > did you believe your message, and you do still believe it now? If this is a vote, it needs to be in blue. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2313 "2011-08-23T16:30:24Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > \ > @ **TexCat** #2284: Good point, Inner insisting that we lynch one of the people involved in the circle o’ messages. I think we need additional information about all the messages before we truly attack the whole pile of message recipients and message subjects. Agree with this entirely. We cannot lynch anyone involved in the messages. Can. Not. We’ll have an entire nights worth of new information tomorrow and can piece together these messages. If the same people are getting messages, we can assume they are mystic seers and take the claims at pretty much face value. If it’s different people receiving messages tomorrow, then we can start believing it’s just messages being passed around and those are much more likely to be false than mystic seers. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2314 "2011-08-23T16:32:21Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m arguing that: > > – masons vouching for each other with no “outs” are almost always town. That’s the case here: TexCat and gnarly are vouching for each other’s innocence, no ifs ands or buts. Unless Gadarene lied to Texcat, gnarly is town. > – Silver Jan has little motive, if scum, to try for a provably fake investigation result, even if she knows ahead of time there might be enough confusion out there to let her wiggle out of it for a while. Heck even if the message is real (but wrong), she has little motive as scum to report it. And Scuba Ben has a message saying she’s town, which under the circumstances I hardly know if that’s worth the toilet tissue it was probably written on, but still. > > Of the three, Silver Jan is the one I could still buy as mafia (certainly as third party), yet you voted for gnarlycharlie. Explain where your logic differs from mine. It’s not just a matter of throwing darts. I will say that our board HAS had w/v masons where the villager thinks they are both villager masons. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2315 "2011-08-23T16:32:58Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > How kosher is it for me to talk about mechanics from the other game he got this idea from? **MODERATOR NOTE** Just don’t quote any role PMs from the other game, and you should be fine. If you’re concerned that something might be borderline, PM me with it and I’ll let you know if it’s okay to post. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2316 "2011-08-23T16:33:22Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Kosher. I don’t think Gad would have invited you all to play if he didn’t expect that to happen a little. I don’t know that we can read too much into anything, but if you have ideas you might as well share. not so much specifically, anyone can read that, I remember most of the roles but i helped mod and you probably can’t imagine how random night actions were and tough to process it would be like, a randomizer redirects a redirector to a cop who investigates himself (i don’t remember is these roles were involved, just an example), but someone else has a power where they actually get that cops investigation so they find out that guy is a cop ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2317 "2011-08-23T16:33:47Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I will say that our board HAS had w/v masons where the villager thinks they are both villager masons. I am going to go out on a limb and say that MHaye would not have let Gad put that into this game because he knows that the rest of us would have run him off the board for doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2318 "2011-08-23T16:33:59Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > **Vote count, pretty pretty please?** Coming as soon as I have some lunch (so ~10 minutes). ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2319 "2011-08-23T16:34:51Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > If this is a vote, it needs to be in blue. not a vote just me talking to scuba ben fairly certain i won’t vote him, but i wanted to hear some of his thoughts and get a little chat going with someone > [@Gadarene](#): > > **MODERATOR NOTE** > > Just don’t quote any role PMs from the other game, and you should be fine. If you’re concerned that something might be borderline, PM me with it and I’ll let you know if it’s okay to post. oops xpost, seems fine tho night is soon or something right? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2320 "2011-08-23T16:36:17Z")
Ah, Jesus… I give up, every time I check I have another vote on me and they’re all ridiculous. Screw it, it’s not worth catching up if I’m just gonna get wagoned, I’ve just wasted the morning trying to read and catch up only to get lynched for stupid reasons. sachetorte made his vote against me for misunderstanding my night post, then got subbed out. Worthless vote. Septimus makes a lazy vote on me, keeps insisting it isn’t, but won’t say why it isn’t. NAF just quotes some of my posts, out of context, and says they’re scummy, and only after promising it… weak delivery dancecat with a self-defense vote Normal Phase jumping on NAF’s reasons and episkey to break up the reads, which is just silly So, of all of these, only one of them is actually on stuff I did in game, and it was taken out of context. I guarantee you there’s scum on this wagon, and they probably want to lend credence to the reads when I come up town because the rest of the mess has scum finger prints on it. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they want to save **Scuba\_Ben** because what he said about his power boost is true, and lynching the guy that took the time to make the case against him, especially in light of all these reads will probably help him slip back out of suspicion until it’s all sorted out. And for the sake of contributing what little I can, I targeted Giraffe last night, which I think is why he got the read of me, so whichever cop targeted me, that’s probably how your power works. Also, I have no idea what my power does, I didn’t get any response. I probably won’t bother to check in again until Dusk, since there doesn’t seem to be a point. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2321 "2011-08-23T16:36:18Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I am going to go out on a limb and say that MHaye would not have let Gad put that into this game because he knows that the rest of us would have run him off the board for doing so. Yeah I think I only saw that role once, but it did come from a pretty big game over there. As I said earlier I dont think we contemplate it now, I’m just putting it out there for everyone to think about way down the line as a possibility. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=117)