# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2342 "2011-08-23T16:53:15Z")
Well, considering I was (and still am if it comes to it) fine with voting for **Jan** , I have to say I agree with his third point, **NAF**. This is not to say I trust him, so don’t worry. I trust anyone in this game about as far as I can throw them. : p ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2343 "2011-08-23T16:54:08Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > snipped > > Here’s a new thought: How do you know the poisoner is even TOWN? To me “poisoner” sounds like a very negative, shady sort of role. Maybe it’s a scum or third party role. i believe the poisoner is town because **Mahaloth** was poisoned and he was scum. would be risky play for scum to use unknown powers on fellow scum. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2344 "2011-08-23T16:54:21Z")
**UPDATED DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** Through post #2341 Blaster Master (7): sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del], septimus [1808], [del]NAF1138 [2187][/del], Dancecat [2258], Normal Phase [2272], Episkey [2295], Drain Bead [2322], Idle Thoughts [2326] Silver Jan (4): Zeriel [1126], [del]Blaster Master [1759][/del], Weedy [1812], [del]Giraffe [1820][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1825][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1936][/del], brewha [2159], Scuba\_Ben [2235] gnarlycharlie (3): [del]Weedy [1279][/del], [del]lilflower [1720][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1723][/del], [del]brewha [1732][/del], [del]Silver Jan [1735][/del], [del]NAF1138 [1737][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1738][/del], [del]Giraffe [1768][/del], [del]septimus [1771][/del], [del]Blaster Master [1813][/del], [del]Scathach [1872][/del], Astral Rejection [1971], Inner Stickler [2111], Precambrianmollusc [2123], [del]Scuba\_Ben [2173][/del] Scuba\_Ben (3): [del]Blaster Master [1109][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1190][/del], Suburban Plankton [1449], [del]Weedy [1452][/del], [del]Scathach [1499][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1507][/del], [del]Scathach [1895][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1904][/del], lilflower [2222], Blaster Master [2238], [del]gnarlycharlie [2245][/del] Giraffe (2): [del]Normal Phase [1157][/del], [del]peekercpa [1267][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341][/del], [del]Astral Rejection [1547][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del], peekercpa [1927], Silver Jan [2282] peekercpa (2): [del]Giraffe [1320][/del], bufftabby [1646], [del]septimus [1664][/del], Giraffe [2246] Inner Stickler (2): TexCat [2204], NAF1138 [2249] Precambrianmollusc (1): [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del], crackedquads [2143] Dancecat (1): Askthepizzaguy [1969], [del]Silver Jan [2154][/del] Brewha (0): [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del], [del]Normal Phase [2209][/del] Special Ed (0): [del]Silver Jan [2263][/del] Episkey (0): [del]crackedquads [1552][/del] DonkTimesFour (0): [del]peekercpa [1663][/del] TexCat (0): [del]Dancecat [1787][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1929][/del] Askthepizzaguy (0): [del]peekercpa [1524][/del] Weedy (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [1586][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1590][/del] Please PM me with any corrections. DAY ENDS IN ~2 HOURS. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2345 "2011-08-23T16:55:45Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, considering I was (and still am if it comes to it) fine with voting for **Jan** , I have to say I agree with his third point, **NAF**. > > This is not to say I trust him, so don’t worry. I trust anyone in this game about as far as I can throw them. : p Fair enough. I disagree with you but that’s what makes the world go around. Do you find people who are not voting to lynch a claimed mason or message reciever \*more \*suspicious the way that Stickler does? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2346 "2011-08-23T16:55:48Z")
crud. i am all atwitter. kind of makes me want to go read but nah, **idle** is pretty good at condening. plus he make it all exciting and shit. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2347 "2011-08-23T16:56:08Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I formerly believed my message, as **Idle** quoted me while catching up (see next quote). I no longer believe it. > > At the time I posted that, I had not yet seen the analysis of the messages. I have reevaluated and changed my position based on that analysis, especially the fact that two people received conflicting messages on **gnarly**. > > At present, I agree that IF we have all four types of cops, two of them targeted gnarly and got different results. What just occurred to me is, one of the cops might have had two targets last Night. So Tomorrow I think it’s worth sharing information in this order: Who suddenly gets two targets for the next Night, who targeted me on N1, and who targeted on N2 the person claiming two targets for N3? > > Did that make sense? Or am I channeling peeker? (that’s a joke son) > > AOP @ **pwnsall** : That’s my inference. I had one target last Night; I have two targets Tonight (assuming I survive the Day). > and @ Idle: I’m Scuba BEN; Scuba Steve is not appearing in this game. > and @ lilflower: I am NOT claiming an alignment message as a result of my Night action. Please read the posts of mine you quoted: I targeted **gnarly** and got a message on **Jan**. Such a simple goof; maybe we should lynch you? > > AOP2: **Episkey** declares an intent to join a bandwagon; **pwnsall** indicates a willingness (not as definite) to join a bandwagon. Would you two kindly do some analysis? Please don’t hop on a bandwagon just to be on one; that’s an easy vote. Please give a good reason for joining the bandwagon. im trying to do analysis but I do not have much time, and I disagree about jumping on bandwagons, tho it seems to be the consensus here that it’s bad mostly I wish not to vote for any of the claims so far (investigators/masons and their targets) So what is the deal with your power increase? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2348 "2011-08-23T16:58:32Z")
Ok, I am moving my vote back to BlaM so that I have my support for that lynch in the permanent EoD vote record. It doesn’t look like anyone is going to join me on the Stickler thing. **unvote** **Vote BlaM** I am probably going to start Day 3 with a vote for sticky though, assuming we are both alive. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2349 "2011-08-23T17:00:10Z")
First, now that I’m presently not in danger, **unvote Silver Jan**. Hopefully I’ll figure out in the next hour some other vote. Second @ pwnsall: I don’t know what the deal is. All I know is that I have to submit two targets for Tonight. @NAF #2330: Which post is your purple prose? I might be convincible. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2350 "2011-08-23T17:00:13Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > im trying to do analysis but I do not have much time, and I disagree about jumping on bandwagons, tho it seems to be the consensus here that it’s bad That’s not totally true. Read the conversation from Night 1 if you haven’t. We talked about it a bit. It’s more nuanced than that. Also, there aren’t a ton of consensus opinions you will get from our group. Just more popular and less popular ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2351 "2011-08-23T17:00:59Z")
Scuba: I explained my reasoning involves a process of elimination on viable wagons. While your board has a type of dislike for this type of analysis, we use it on ours to decent effect. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2352 "2011-08-23T17:03:47Z")
I have to head out for the rest of the Day. **DO NOT LYNCH ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE CHAIN OF MESSAGES TODAY. WE CAN SORT IT ALL OUT NEXT DAY.** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2353 "2011-08-23T17:04:11Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I have to head out for the rest of the Day. > > **DO NOT LYNCH ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE CHAIN OF MESSAGES TODAY. WE CAN SORT IT ALL OUT NEXT DAY.** Ditto ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2354 "2011-08-23T17:04:58Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > First, now that I’m presently not in danger, **unvote Silver Jan**. Hopefully I’ll figure out in the next hour some other vote. > > Second @ pwnsall: I don’t know what the deal is. All I know is that I have to submit two targets for Tonight. > > @NAF #2330: Which post is your purple prose? I might be convincible. do you realize how incredibly weak your reasoning is? i mean i am not voting for you but this one makes me feel like i should. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2355 "2011-08-23T17:06:03Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > snipped > > AOP2: **Episkey** declares an intent to join a bandwagon; **pwnsall** indicates a willingness (not as definite) to join a bandwagon. Would you two kindly do some analysis? Please don’t hop on a bandwagon just to be on one; that’s an easy vote. Please give a good reason for joining the bandwagon. on their board, they believe it’s better to vote for a wagon than make an off-vote. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2356 "2011-08-23T17:06:45Z")
This is straight up madness. Two hours left in the day and I’ll be in a meeting for one of them. No way I’ll be able to fully catch up, but this is some important stuff I picked up on. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK **Gnarlycharlie** is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks. > [@TexCat](#): > > I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. From the OP, I didn’t expect that this game would have masons since it’s not a role that comes attached to a night power. > [@Giraffe](#): > > If you’re both masons, why did he vote for you? This is also a good point since it seems very unusual that masons would vote each other. > [@Weedy](#): > > I got called in to work today, and don’t have time to read the thread, so I have no idea what’s going on. From the last few posts, it looks like gnarlycharlie and Texcat have claimed mason, and Silver Jan is calling gnarly scum. > > I got a message in the night that Texcat was a mason, and town. I don’t know why I got it, because I didn’t target her. I know a couple more things about how it works, but I will save that for once I have read the thread to see if it useful to reveal. So I guess Texcat and gnarlycharlie probably are masons. I really don’t think wolves would go to this length to pretend to be masons, it seems way too risky and two wolves are implicated if they get caught. I guess it’s possible but I’m going to discount that possibility for now. I also doubt SilverJan would make that up as a wolf to try and get gnarlycharlie lynched because it also has a bad risk/reward ratio. It seems more likely it’s just a wrong reveal. Then again, Silver probably didn’t expect all this mason defense to come up and clear gnarly. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > This. Bingo. > > They could be 5 Oracles, or whatever they’re called. They investigate folks but the results go out to random people, not to the cops themselves. This is probably what’s going on. I don’t think I like a giraffe wagon but that seems to have subsided. I know I’m probably way behind the curve, but I’ll do my best to figure out who the best lynch today is. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2357 "2011-08-23T17:07:39Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Wait, guys, why the sudden switch? There’s no reason to believe **Silver Jan** over, inevitably, **GnarlyCharlie** ’s “she’s lying” response. If she’s telling the truth, and we lynch him first, great. If she’s lying and he turns up town, then we just lynch her Tomorrow. Her claim doesn’t tell us anything by itself and cannot be verified without lynching someone else. > > That said, since we now know that one of them is definitely a wolf, I think it’s probably in our best interest to lynch one of them Today, and we can always lynch **Scuba\_Ben** later; however, I don’t think it should necessarily follow that it should be **GnarlyCharlie** and not **Silver Jan** , and I’m inclined toward the latter. So… > > **Vote Silver Jan** > > Bottom line, you may be a Seer , but at this point you’re not doing us any good since the scum already know if you’re lying or not, so you might as well not hold the magic bag and tell us what you know without obfuscation. this is the post Idle didn’t like I don’t like it either and his thought process is bad, but could he believe what he says is what’s important. We definitely don’t know one of them is a wolf. He could believe that tho. I keep going back and forth on it but guy is here to suck up flooded basement so i’ll think about it more in a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2358 "2011-08-23T17:08:11Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i believe the poisoner is town because **Mahaloth** was poisoned and he was scum. would be risky play for scum to use unknown powers on fellow scum. That’s a good point, but I was thinking about how many redirects there seem to have been (so far) in this game (with messages and all, at least). > [@NAF1138](#): > > Fair enough. I disagree with you but that’s what makes the world go around. Do you find people who are not voting to lynch a claimed mason or message reciever \*more \*suspicious the way that Stickler does? Not really, no…I’m not NOT suspicious of Inner, if that’s what you mean. But right now there’s better targets, I think, like the one I’m voting for now. Inner wouldn’t come for awhile on my list of “People I’d be willing to vote for”..does that explain it better? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2359 "2011-08-23T17:08:32Z")
Here’s my summary of all the messages. Please check me for accuracy. 5 people received messages about other players’ alignments. One reported a Wolf, three reported Townies, and one reported a Town Mason. My assessment: Weedy’s message was from a full Cop/Seer, as it included the role, and is therefore accurate. 5 people were the subjects of these messages. As TexCat was the subject of the role & alignment message, I consider her pretty much confirmed. TexCat in turn did NOT get a message but got a mason reveal. I conclude that gnarlycharlie the other claimed mason is also pretty much confirmed Town. Therefore Jan received an inaccurate message about gnarly. Hence, one of the three messages saying “Villager” is probably false, assuming it comes from an insane cop. The subjects are Dancecat, Silver Jan, and Blaster Master. So probably exactly one of these is a Wolf. Which one it is we need to determine by good old analytical effort. Further, the simplest assumption (to me) is that all five people reporting messages are accurately reporting the contents of their message. This does not indicate alignment. AOP @ **peeker** : Withdrawing a defensive vote is weak? I would say you lost me, but I was never following you in the first place. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2360 "2011-08-23T17:08:47Z")
and carp **gad** i ddn’t use any of the stinking prohibited words. holy nonsense at this point. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2361 "2011-08-23T17:09:11Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > \ > and @ lilflower: I am NOT claiming an alignment message as a result of my Night action. Please read the posts of mine you quoted: I targeted **gnarly** and got a message on **Jan**. Such a simple goof; maybe we should lynch you? > \ I see that now so I misread your post. My mistake. It does make me wonder what happened to your Night action (as well as those of the other message recipients, assuming they didn’t get a response either). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=119)