# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 119
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2362 "2011-08-23T17:09:39Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > @NAF #2330: Which post is your purple prose? I might be convincible. This one a couple of pages back. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14172749&postcount=2269](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14172749&postcount=2269) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2363 "2011-08-23T17:12:41Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Not really, no…I’m not NOT suspicious of Inner, if that’s what you mean. But right now there’s better targets, I think, like the one I’m voting for now. > Inner wouldn’t come for awhile on my list of “People I’d be willing to vote for”..does that explain it better? No, that’s not what I mean. I mean that Inner said that if you are not voting for a claimed mason or someone who got a message you are probably trying to hide your voting record. It was strongly implied that this meant that he found you to be scummy. I was just wondering if you shared this sentiment because if you do then maybe it isn’t totally out of nowhere bizarre like it seems to be to me. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2364 "2011-08-23T17:14:12Z")
If I’m counting correctly, the last 6 votes that have been cast are all on **Blaster Master** , leapfrogging him past **Scuba\_Ben** , **gnarlycharlie** , and **Silver Jan** …and all in the last 2 hours (and in the last 4 hours of the Day). Does that seem odd to anyone else, or just me? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2365 "2011-08-23T17:14:27Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Hence, one of the three messages saying “Villager” is probably false, assuming it comes from an insane cop. The subjects are Dancecat, Silver Jan, and Blaster Master. Uh, well, that would eliminate Jan right from the start since her message said someone was a wolf, not villager. : p That pretty much narrows it down to either Blaster or Dancecat. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2366 "2011-08-23T17:14:55Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If I’m counting correctly, the last 6 votes that have been cast are all on **Blaster Master** , leapfrogging him past **Scuba\_Ben** , **gnarlycharlie** , and **Silver Jan** …and all in the last 2 hours (and in the last 4 hours of the Day). > > Does that seem odd to anyone else, or just me? Are you counting me once or twice? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2367 "2011-08-23T17:15:43Z")
I am wholly opposed to the Blaster Master lynch. For one, it tells us nothing about the claims situation. I want to settle some part of that. If gnarly is revealed as scum, it was a success. If gnarly is mason, we’ve temporarily cleared some other folks, and it’s a success. Scum are forced to choose between lynching confirmed town or shoot into the dark, and I like making their choice harder. Also, I’m not enamored with many of the Blaster Master voters’ reasons. Drain Bead has a “ping,” and I think Episkey is scum so I don’t trust his read at all. Idle at least has a reasonable suspicion, but I disagree with his conclusion. Explain the scum though process to me. Yes, I know, “don’t get trapped in 'scum wouldn’t do that,” but I’ve considered the event and I don’t believe it indicates Blaster is scum. Lastly, I’m not digging how much late-day steam this wagon has gathered. It doesn’t strike me as right at all. I’m sticking with gnarly. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2368 "2011-08-23T17:16:48Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > And now, the flip side- > > If I’m wrong about the Dethy thing, then we still have no idea which of those 5 results we can trust. > > Therefore there is still some weight behind the argument to lynch gnarlycharlie. Not that I agree with it. > > Also, this sorta ignored my earlier advice to go based on scummy behavior and ignore the power roles; the only reason I’m even pursuing this is because under the Dethy setup, we have a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum on this very lynch, and 2 in 3 chance of hitting scum between the lynch and the poisoner role, and a 3 in 3 chance of eliminating all suspects except the masons (which have a fairly solid claim) by tomorrow night. Then if you haven’t found one, you poison charlie. > [ul] > [li] **So, if I’m right, you have a 2:3 chance of hitting scum in the next 24 game-hours. More realistically 2:5, but giving the masons the benefit of the doubt, you’ve got a 2:3 chance.** [/li][/ul] > > [ul] > [li]\*\* If I’m wrong, you have a 4:5 chance of hitting scum in the next 48 game-hours.\*\*[/li][/ul] > > I don’t think that’s a bad hand to play, is it? > And yes, I agree that Jan is the least suspected among the 3 non-masons. I think it’s bad, tomorrow we should have a bunch more info to make an even better decision lets the wolves help resolve it ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2369 "2011-08-23T17:17:08Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If I’m counting correctly, the last 6 votes that have been cast are all on **Blaster Master** , leapfrogging him past **Scuba\_Ben** , **gnarlycharlie** , and **Silver Jan** …and all in the last 2 hours (and in the last 4 hours of the Day). > > Does that seem odd to anyone else, or just me? Seems odd to me. That’s why I’m happy with my vote on **Scuba Ben**. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2370 "2011-08-23T17:17:25Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Does that seem odd to anyone else, or just me? Yes. You beat me to it, but I think this is a terrible wagon. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2371 "2011-08-23T17:17:43Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I am wholly opposed to the Blaster Master lynch. > > For one, it tells us nothing about the claims situation. I want to settle some part of that. If gnarly is revealed as scum, it was a success. If gnarly is mason, we’ve temporarily cleared some other folks, and it’s a success. Scum are forced to choose between lynching confirmed town or shoot into the dark, and I like making their choice harder. This is so wrong and bad I want to Day kill you right now for being wrong headed. Lynching a mason _ **is the single worst possible thing we can do** _. > [@](#): > > Lastly, I’m not digging how much late-day steam this wagon has gathered. It doesn’t strike me as right at all. This is legitimate. > [@](#): > > I’m sticking with gnarly. This is earthshatteringly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2372 "2011-08-23T17:17:44Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and carp **gad** i ddn’t use any of the stinking prohibited words. holy nonsense at this point. Your posts today have been just fine. Thanks for toning it down. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2373 "2011-08-23T17:19:13Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Yes. You beat me to it, but I think this is a terrible wagon. Other than the speed, which is a legit concern. Why? I didn’t really follow your reasoning in your last post. Did you see the case that I presented for BlaM’s lynch that much of the wagon (I think, I might be being really self centered) is based on? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2374 "2011-08-23T17:19:30Z")
Oh, I get what you mean…you’re talking about the message YOU (scuba) got and not the one that Jan got. In that case, you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2375 "2011-08-23T17:20:18Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Are you counting me once or twice? Once. Starting from the Vote count from Post 2343, the last 6 votes of the game: Dancecat [2258], Normal Phase [2272], Episkey [2295], Drain Bead [2322], Idle Thoughts [2326], NAF1138 [2347] all cast on Blaster Master. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2376 "2011-08-23T17:21:04Z")
I’m not particularly thrilled about a blaster lynch. I don’t think Silver as villager would out gnarly, but if gnarly is a wolf maybe it’s FPS and they’re both wolves and Silver was trying to bus for credit? This is just speculation, not particularly likely. I agree that it’s best to sort out this situation in future days when we have more information, ideally an alignment reveal that we can trust. Speaking of which, if we don’t start getting reliable alignment reveals, this game is going to be hard for the village to win. I do trust that Gadarene knows what he’s doing, though, and has made this game as balanced as he could. Precambrianmollusc isn’t a wagon anymore? I was thinking he could be a good lynch today. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2377 "2011-08-23T17:21:28Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > It does make me wonder what happened to your Night action (as well as those of the other message recipients, assuming they didn’t get a response either). lil, we’re all wondering that. There’s no way to know until we know what those Night actions were. Still, it’s a good question. To **Idle, Weedy, and Giraffe** : Did you get any result whatsoever about your Night actions? Jan has already said she did not get any result on her primary target. On NAF’s purple prose. #473 **Inner** votes for TexCat in what’s intended to be a self-evident vote. I do have to agree that voting to lynch someone for a Bad Idea is itself a bad move. Still, Inner knows to at least point it out. Tex noted that other people commented on her vote. And then Inner ducked it Today. So given that I have to leave soon, I’ll support NAF’s case on Inner. And I’m hesitant to probe the three remaining N1 message subjects, so I’m not joining the bandwagon on Blaster Master. **vote Inner Stickler** AOP @ Idle: No it doesn’t. The three subjects of messages that I refer to are Dancecat (received by you), Silver Jan (received by me), and Blaster Master (received by Giraffe). Jan’s message is suspected false because it conflicts with Weedy’s role & alignment message, which I am attributing as true on the strength of (a) it includes role, and (b) it’s corroborated by gnarly’s mason claim. Please note “attributed” and “suspected”, not “proven”. 🙂 So yes, three subjects of messages that say “So-and-so is a Villager.” I hope that’s clear as mud. AOP2: I see you got it. 🙂 Glad to know I’ve been right about something Today. That’s it. See you all after Dusk. Have a pitcher of mai tais ready for me, please. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2378 "2011-08-23T17:21:38Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > This is so wrong and bad I want to Day kill you right now for being wrong headed. Lynching a mason _ **is the single worst possible thing we can do** _. you want to kill me because you think I’m scum, or just because I’m wrong? > [@](#): > > This is earthshatteringly stupid. Eh, I’ve been called worse. You’re ignoring that this “claimed mason” is also a claimed wolf. I think ignoring town’s first wolf claim is a silly choice. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2379 "2011-08-23T17:22:45Z")
this is highly entertaining. we have a knon scum **giraffe** and another identified scum that the dick won’t even vote for. and they are trailing. kind of fun. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2380 "2011-08-23T17:24:20Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I agree. I think at this point I’m inclined to believe that the Mason claim seems a little convenient. Not to mention, **TexCat** was another possible person that the **Krayz** wagon may have been engineered to save, so it’s not unlikely that she saw this claim, knowing that it would largely clear **Jan** , and that **Ben** would probably still go down eventually, so she would be the obvious candidate for who the **Krayz** wagon was saved. So, she might as well put her neck on the line now and hope to get a potential Seer dead. > > The risk here is losing a possible mason, but it also seems to be a pretty good fit for the events of Yesterday and Today. So, we need to settle this out. I’d still like to hear from **Charlie** though. > > **Vote GnarlyCharlie** > > Hey, big surprise given your earlier lazy vote, that you’d rather put it on me than resolve a fairly obvious scenario where we can catch two scum. An awful lot of smudging on me with no substance at all since you voted me earlier in the day for my vote on **Ben**. You’re striking me as an overly defensive scum seeing his team going down in flames right now. I’ll have to do an analysis of you after we get all this crap sorted out. > [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > But, the problem is, I don’t think any of our message bearers have claimed cop, they’ve all claimed to have received the message in addition to their Night action. Due to this, IF there are paranoid cops or naive cops or whatever, without knowing who targetted who and when and taking into account redirects as they may occur, it will be difficult or impossible to make any meaningful distinction. This is why I’m more inclined to believe we have at least 2-3 town investigators and their messages go out in a yet undetermined way, assuming that the one that **Weedy** got also gets role information, and the rest are either generated by scum and may or may not be true, or may have been given to scum and they lied about the message they received, or the scum may have gotten nothing but lied about receiving one and the message to create more disinformation. > > Regardless, at this point, I think all of these messages are interesting data points, but certainly not worth lynching a claimed mason on. I’ll reconsider my actual vote once I fully catch up. > > **unvote Gnarlycharlie** For the lazy who didn’t click my links. The above quotes are the part of the case I presented against BlaM that I think hold the most water. This one too. > [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Wait, guys, why the sudden switch? There’s no reason to believe **Silver Jan** over, inevitably, **GnarlyCharlie** ’s “she’s lying” response. If she’s telling the truth, and we lynch him first, great. If she’s lying and he turns up town, then we just lynch her Tomorrow. Her claim doesn’t tell us anything by itself and cannot be verified without lynching someone else. > > That said, since we now know that one of them is definitely a wolf, I think it’s probably in our best interest to lynch one of them Today, and we can always lynch **Scuba\_Ben** later; however, I don’t think it should necessarily follow that it should be **GnarlyCharlie** and not **Silver Jan** , and I’m inclined toward the latter. So… > > **Vote Silver Jan** > > Bottom line, you may be a Seer , but at this point you’re not doing us any good since the scum already know if you’re lying or not, so you might as well not hold the magic bag and tell us what you know without obfuscation. It’s the logic of the person trying to go for the easiest lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2381 "2011-08-23T17:25:48Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > this is highly entertaining. we have a knon scum **giraffe** and another identified scum that the dick won’t even vote for. and they are trailing. kind of fun. Peeks, I think I must have missed something. How do we know Giraffe is scum? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=118) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=120)