# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2382 "2011-08-23T17:27:20Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > this is highly entertaining. we have a knon scum **giraffe** and another identified scum that the dick won’t even vote for. Can you kindly point us to the definition of “known” that you are using in this sentence? Or, failing that, I’d settle for a definition for “knon” ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2383 "2011-08-23T17:27:30Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > For the lazy who didn’t click my links. > The above quotes are the part of the case I presented against BlaM that I think hold the most water. > > This one too. > > **It’s the logic of the person trying to go for the easiest lynch.** explain what you mean if you could? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2384 "2011-08-23T17:27:50Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > you want to kill me because you think I’m scum, or just because I’m wrong? I want to remove you from the game because you are proposing such a frustratingly horrible idea that it would be viscerally satisfying to see you get killed for it. It’s not rational, and it has nothing to do with you being town or not. 😃 > [@](#): > > Eh, I’ve been called worse. > > You’re ignoring that this “claimed mason” is also a claimed wolf. I think ignoring town’s first wolf claim is a silly choice. Lynching a mason is the single worst thing town can do. Once again. Lynching a mason is the single worst thing town can do. Doubly true in the early game, triply true in a very large game (which this is.) Would you not be willing to wait another Day or two to be sure you aren’t actually lynching a mason? Even if Gnarly is a wolf, there are certainly other wolves in the game to go after. For emphasis: Lynching a mason is the single worst thing town can do. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2385 "2011-08-23T17:28:47Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Scuba: I explained my reasoning involves a process of elimination on viable wagons. While your board has a type of dislike for this type of analysis, we use it on ours to decent effect. Some of us prefer to do it the same way. Sometimes, anyway. **NAF** ’s comment above about more and less popular strategies applies across the board. Speaking of viable lynches: **BlasterMaster** hasn’t struck me as especially scummy, but his early vote of **silver jan** strikes me as very strange. I’m not convinced that makes him scum, but I can understand the votes on him and am okay with his lynch. Votes for both **silver jan** and **gnarlycharlie** seem to be of the “test their claims” variety by and large. I generally prefer to lynch for scumminess over getting information that doesn’t provide any solid answers. I can’t tell if **jan** is scummy or just confused. We’re all a bit confused, I know that. I’d prefer not to lynch either of them toDay. **Scuba Ben** ’s Day One play pinged me a bit, but the feeling’s not really there on Day Two. He’s another whose lynch would be okay with me although I’m not convinced he’s scum. **Blam** has quite the lead right now, so I don’t think my vote is necessary to lynch him over the two claimants I’d like to see lynched less than him, **gnarly** and **jan**. My vote is actually going to go elsewhere. **unvote peeker** **vote precambrianmollusc** The feeling that **PM** ’s voting and behavior gives me is reminiscent of the feeling I got from **mahaloth** yesterDay that caused me to vote for her then. I was right then, and I think I’m right now. I’ll be around until EOD, so I will be able to move my vote if necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2386 "2011-08-23T17:31:55Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > You’re ignoring that this “claimed mason” is also a claimed wolf. I think ignoring town’s first wolf claim is a silly choice. I’ve tried saying this before, but here it is again: If you think **gnarly** is scum, then do you think **Texcat** is scum? I would think YES, unless you believe **gnarly** could be a wolf and mason combo, so feel free to correct me if this is the case…I’m going to go on with the assumption you’d think **Texcat** would be scum if **gnarly** flips scum, though. So then what does that say for **Weedy**? After all, he got the message saying **Texcat** is a mason and villager. So let’s say he made that message up. Wow, that would then be THREE scum all risking their game on one play. I know that “Scum wouldn’t do that” is a bad statement, but even I can’t see them being that risky. Okay, let’s say **Weedy** DIDN’T make up the message. Then he must have gotten it from somewhere else (like the others seemed to have) and therefore, it could be true. I’m wager that it holds more weight being possibly true than possibly not, but that’s just my take on it. So, to sum up, I don’t think voting for **gnarly** is a good idea here. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2387 "2011-08-23T17:32:08Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > explain what you mean if you could? Sure. I probably phrased it badly (and by probably I mean I did). BlaM wants to lynch Silver Jan. At the time of the post it was likely that Silver Jan was some sort of cop. She also had a lot of suspicion against her and so BlaM pushes for that lynch. Then as it becomes more clear that she is probably not a cop he starts to swing to push for the mason lynch, saying “Hey, it’s not that bad to lynch a mason” Then he turns around and says “Whoah! We can’t lynch a mason!” as the tide begins to turn. It all strikes me as opportunistic and pushing for bandwagons that he believes to be both viable (hence easy) and power roles. When heat starts to build and as town moves away from the idea of lynching a claimed mason (Astral’s view aside) he moves off onto something safer (going back to Scuba Ben). ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2388 "2011-08-23T17:32:34Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It’s the logic of the person trying to go for the easiest lynch. Explain to me how voting for Silver Jan was an easy lynch, 'cuz I don’t get it. I’m on my phone at work, so there’s no chance of me looking this up, but wasn’t Blaster one of (if not THE) first to vote for Jan? > [@NAF1138](#): > > Would you not be willing to wait another Day or two to be sure you aren’t actually lynching a mason? What do you expect us to learn tomorrow that confirms him? > [@](#): > > Lynching a mason is the single worst thing town can do. You and I severely disagree on the severity of lynching a mason. Especially when someone else has claimed he’s a wolf. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2389 "2011-08-23T17:38:01Z")
My WOW review of Inner before all hell broke loose yesterday. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475) I thought he looked scummy then, and he looks more scummy to me today. He seems pretty intent on lynching a town, for the alleged information gain. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2390 "2011-08-23T17:38:19Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Explain to me how voting for Silver Jan was an easy lynch, 'cuz I don’t get it. I’m on my phone at work, so there’s no chance of me looking this up, but wasn’t Blaster one of (if not THE) first to vote for Jan? See above post. I phrased things badly because I was trying to be quick. > [@](#): > > What do you expect us to learn tomorrow that confirms him? I don’t know, why do you expect to lose by waiting? > [@](#): > > You and I severely disagree on the severity of lynching a mason. Especially when someone else has claimed he’s a wolf. You are wrong. We can talk about it later, but you aren’t right. Confirmed townies are the most valuable asset town has, bar none. They also force scum to draw fire away from other power roles. They _ **can not** _ be lynched. If gnarly is a wolf then TexCat is a wolf and we will eventually find that out on our own. What we have now in severely inconclusive evidence that gnarly is a wolf and fairly conclusive evidence that he is a mason. If Gnarly is a wolf and a mason and TexCat got a read that says he is a town mason then fuck this game, it was stacked too far against town for town to have a shot anyway. I am not going to alter my game play to account for Gad and MHaye deciding to fuck the town over. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2391 "2011-08-23T17:39:01Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > If you think **gnarly** is scum, then do you think **Texcat** is scum? I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. I’m worried about today. I do not believe a wolf mason disguised as town out of the question. Presumably, he would appear town to his mason buddies but scum to a true investigator. If that’s the case, then all of the people were telling the truth. Well, except for gnarly. I’ll know more after he flips. The alternative is doing nothing about the tangled web of claims, and I find the idea of not knowing abhorrent. My choices are lynching possible town, seer, mason, or mason+wolf. I’m choosing the latter. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2392 "2011-08-23T17:39:55Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. I’m worried about today. I do not believe a wolf mason disguised as town out of the question. Presumably, he would appear town to his mason buddies but scum to a true investigator. If that’s the case, then all of the people were telling the truth. Well, except for gnarly. I’ll know more after he flips. > > The alternative is doing nothing about the tangled web of claims, and I find the idea of not knowing abhorrent. My choices are lynching possible town, seer, mason, or mason+wolf. I’m choosing the latter. GAH! ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2393 "2011-08-23T17:42:09Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > snipped > > This is also a good point since it seems very unusual that masons would vote each other. i voted for **TexCat** on D1. we discovered we were masons on N1. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > That’s a good point, but I was thinking about how many redirects there seem to have been (so far) in this game (with messages and all, at least). good point. i had not considered that. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Here’s my summary of all the messages. Please check me for accuracy. > > 5 people received messages about other players’ alignments. One reported a Wolf, three reported Townies, and one reported a Town Mason. My assessment: Weedy’s message was from a full Cop/Seer, as it included the role, and is therefore accurate. > > snipped i’m not sure if **Weedy** ’s message came from a full cop. full cop’s get alignment. scum cops get roles as well. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2394 "2011-08-23T17:42:16Z")
NAF: I understand your position. I’m not trying to antagonize you. We just disagree. No big deal, man. Gnarly isn’t the current vote leader. I’d prefer he die, and I don’t like the Blaster Wagon, so this is where I’m voting. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2395 "2011-08-23T17:43:11Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Your posts today have been just fine. Thanks for toning it down. so glad to make you happy. welcome to the dope. we don’t play for real we just play to make the mod happy. like your footwear by the way. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2396 "2011-08-23T17:43:29Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Sure. I probably phrased it badly (and by probably I mean I did). > > BlaM wants to lynch Silver Jan. At the time of the post it was likely that Silver Jan was some sort of cop. She also had a lot of suspicion against her and so BlaM pushes for that lynch. > > Then as it becomes more clear that she is probably not a cop he starts to swing to push for the mason lynch, saying “Hey, it’s not that bad to lynch a mason” Then he turns around and says “Whoah! We can’t lynch a mason!” as the tide begins to turn. > > It all strikes me as opportunistic and pushing for bandwagons that he believes to be both viable (hence easy) and power roles. When heat starts to build and as town moves away from the idea of lynching a claimed mason (Astral’s view aside) he moves off onto something safer (going back to Scuba Ben). yeah it was horribly phrased, but your response is much better (although I can not follow the middle paragraph because I missed a lot of it) your original reasoning sounded very forced to me like you were just jumping on the bandwagon and forcing a reason ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2397 "2011-08-23T17:43:45Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > NAF: I understand your position. I’m not trying to antagonize you. We just disagree. > > No big deal, man. Gnarly isn’t the current vote leader. I’d prefer he die, and I don’t like the Blaster Wagon, so this is where I’m voting. I know your not. That actually makes it worse! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2398 "2011-08-23T17:44:45Z")
A question for both \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*and **Texcat**. apologies if this has been asked and answered already… Exactly what information did you receive\* from the Mods\* regarding the other’s alignment and role? [ul] [li]Were you told the other was Town?[/li][li]Were you told the other was a Mason?[/li][li]Were you given a copy of the other’s PM?[/li][/ul] I’m trying to figure out if there’s any wiggle room here that could allow exactly one of them to be Scum. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2399 "2011-08-23T17:46:02Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > your original reasoning sounded very forced to me like you were just jumping on the bandwagon and forcing a reason For the record, I was the third person on the wagon and hopped of briefly only because I did (and still do) think that Inner Stickler is a better candidate. But no one really agrees so I am moving on to choice two (well possibly choice three, I still have Ed on my list, but he hasn’t been posting much recently so it’s hard for me to say \*where \*he is on it). ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2400 "2011-08-23T17:47:17Z")
It’s possible that **gnarlycharlie** is a Mason and a Wolf. That having been said, even IF that is the case, his successful handshakes reveal other Masons to the group as a whole. I’d imagine there are more Masons out there. If **charlie** and **Tex** are both successful with handshakes toNight, we suddenly have at least 3 and possibly 4 confirmed Townies. That’s worth not lynching **charlie** , IMO. I don’t usually like to give power roles direction like this, but if you targeted **Tex** last Night, you might want to target **charlie** toNight. Someone else will then hopefully get the full alignment and role result and can report it to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2401 "2011-08-23T17:49:49Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > I’m not particularly thrilled about a blaster lynch. > > I don’t think Silver as villager would out gnarly, but if gnarly is a wolf maybe it’s FPS and they’re both wolves and Silver was trying to bus for credit? This is just speculation, not particularly likely. I agree that it’s best to sort out this situation in future days when we have more information, ideally an alignment reveal that we can trust. Speaking of which, if we don’t start getting reliable alignment reveals, this game is going to be hard for the village to win. I do trust that Gadarene knows what he’s doing, though, and has made this game as balanced as he could. > > Precambrianmollusc isn’t a wagon anymore? I was thinking he could be a good lynch today. i understand that in POG seers are valued more than here but i think everyone will agree that town can make it even without them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=121)