# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 137
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2722 "2011-08-24T16:48:45Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > This is mafia. I’m voting for the person who has the most of my suspicions thus far. This is how mafia is played. > To me, the poisoning makes no difference. Yes, he’ll die eventually anyway, but if he’s scum, better toDay than tomorrow, wouldn’t you agree? Actually, I wouldn’t. What if we lynch someone else toDay and they turn out to be Scum? If he’s going to die regardless, I’d prefer to try to get two for the price of one. The only way this works to our disadvantage is if both **brewha** and the person we lynch toDay are Town (and I’m not even sure if the math there would end up in a net reduction of mislynches–someone else needs to do that one for me), and clearly you don’t believe that to be the case, so the pro-Town move should be to put **brewha** on the shelf. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2723 "2011-08-24T16:48:52Z")
By the way, I’m feeling quite healthy this Morning. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2724 "2011-08-24T16:50:13Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > mafia have more info, therefore more likely to know who their healer is (assuming they have one, didn’t in other game i believe), so if he is healed then he can be lynched tomorrow or vigged at night or something > > i assume no villager will attempt to heal him unless he comes up with something good today If someone else who I’m suspicious of looks to be heading to the lynch, I’ll feel comfortable switching. Until then, I’m voting for who I’m the most suspicious of right now. If you don’t agree, you are free to choose someone else, donuts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2725 "2011-08-24T16:51:27Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Damn, the bloodshed is high. > > I didn’t get any message toDay (like I did yesterDay about Dancecat). > > Okay, so I’m pretty much of the mind that the **Inner Stickler** train yesterday (which built even faster than the **Blaster Master** one did) could have been scum trying to save one of their own. > Sure, **Blaster** ’s could have had scum bussing on him to gain some Town cred (and I have no doubt there’s at least one who were on that train as well–maybe even more)…but I also have no doubt there had to be scum on the **Inner Stickler** train, especially there at the end (not counting **Blaster Master** , who was just trying to save his own skin). > > So let’s take a look at who was in the last half to vote: Scathach [2451], Silver Jan [2460], brewha [2466], lilflower [2469] (who unvoted), Blaster Master [2486]. > > **Blaster Master** was scum, so he’s out, and **lilflower** unvoted in order to stop a tie from happening. While this doesn’t clear her totally, it is a more pro-Town move, IMO. > That leaves **Jan, Scathach** and **Brewha**. > > **Jan** is the person I’d have voted for, if anyone, in that huge mash yesterday…just to get some info on the situation (reasons given multiple times yesterDay), but now that it’s a new Day, there might be new information coming to light, so I’m willing to sit on it for now. > > **Scathach** and **Brewha** , though, I’m willing to bet there’s a scum among them. > And since\*\* BREWHA\*\* doesn’t seem to have very long to live now that he’s been poisoned: > **Vote Brewha.** > > Other players I’m still suspicious of (either a little or a lot): **Scuba Ben, PCM** > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > As I said to **pwn** , because I feel he’s the more likely to be scum (over **Scathach** ). Why would I vote for someone I was less suspicious of? I could go either way on him…whereas **Brewha** I have have a more scum lean on. that isn’t what you said at all actually, you said you voted him because he was poisoned and the other person you considered voting was not you are looking very wolfy right now ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2726 "2011-08-24T16:53:10Z")
bah. give 'em hell town. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2727 "2011-08-24T16:55:39Z")
**FINAL DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** Through post #2496 Blaster Master (10): sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del], septimus [1808], [del]NAF1138 [2187][/del], Dancecat [2258], Normal Phase [2272], Episkey [2295], Drain Bead [2322], Idle Thoughts [2326], NAF1138 [2347], pwnsall [2491], peekercpa [2492] Inner Stickler (8): TexCat [2204], [del]NAF1138 [2249][/del], Scuba\_Ben [2376], LightFoot [2403], gnarlycharlie [2446], Scathach [2451], Silver Jan [2460], brewha [2466], [del]lilflower [2469][/del], Blaster Master [2486] gnarlycharlie (3): [del]Weedy [1279][/del], [del]lilflower [1720][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1723][/del], [del]brewha [1732][/del], [del]Silver Jan [1735][/del], [del]NAF1138 [1737][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1738][/del], [del]Giraffe [1768][/del], [del]septimus [1771][/del], [del]Blaster Master [1813][/del], [del]Scathach [1872][/del], Astral Rejection [1971], Inner Stickler [2111], Precambrianmollusc [2123], [del]Scuba\_Ben [2173][/del] Precambrianmollusc (2): [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del], crackedquads [2143], bufftabby [2384], [del]pwnsall [2462][/del] Silver Jan (2): Zeriel [1126], [del]Blaster Master [1759][/del], Weedy [1812], [del]Giraffe [1820][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1825][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1936][/del], [del]brewha [2159][/del], [del]Scuba\_Ben [2235][/del] Scuba\_Ben (1): [del]Blaster Master [1109][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1190][/del], Suburban Plankton [1449], [del]Weedy [1452][/del], [del]Scathach [1499][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1507][/del], [del]Scathach [1895][/del], [del]Idle Thoughts [1904][/del], [del]lilflower [2222][/del], [del]Blaster Master [2238][/del], [del]gnarlycharlie [2245][/del], lilflower [2479] peekercpa (1): [del]Giraffe [1320][/del], [del]bufftabby [1646][/del], [del]septimus [1664][/del], Giraffe [2246] Dancecat (1): Askthepizzaguy [1969], [del]Silver Jan [2154][/del] bufftabby (0): [del]pwnsall [2438][/del] Brewha (0): [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del], [del]Normal Phase [2209][/del] Special Ed (0): [del]Silver Jan [2263][/del] Episkey (0): [del]crackedquads [1552][/del] DonkTimesFour (0): [del]peekercpa [1663][/del] TexCat (0): [del]Dancecat [1787][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1929][/del] Askthepizzaguy (0): [del]peekercpa [1524][/del] Weedy (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [1586][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1590][/del] Giraffe (0): [del]Normal Phase [1157][/del], [del]peekercpa [1267][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341][/del], [del]Astral Rejection [1547][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del], [del]peekercpa [1927][/del], [del]Silver Jan [2282][/del] I think this is completely correct. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2728 "2011-08-24T16:55:57Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Actually, I wouldn’t. What if we lynch someone else toDay and they turn out to be Scum? I’m willing to switch my vote if it comes to that. Come on, Drain Bead, you know votes aren’t in stone. Other people have even said that those who voted for Inner late yesterDay should be looked at. Well, Brewha was one of them. Silver Jan was another…should I vote for her? Well, fine, I’ll feel very comfortable switching my vote for her before the end of Day if it looks like my vote will be a one-off vote. > [@](#): > > If he’s going to die regardless, I’d prefer to try to get two for the price of one. The only way this works to our disadvantage is if both **brewha** and the person we lynch toDay are Town (and I’m not even sure if the math there would end up in a net reduction of mislynches–someone else needs to do that one for me), and clearly you don’t believe that to be the case, so the pro-Town move should be to put **brewha** on the shelf. I do understand your (and others) point, I just don’t agree with it, I guess. But with this many people questioning my vote, rest assured he’ll probably be put on the shelf anyway. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2729 "2011-08-24T16:57:34Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > and if he gets healed he is more likely to be scum > > it’s a waste of a lynch I agree with this. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > This is mafia. I’m voting for the person who has the most of my suspicions thus far. This is how mafia is played. > To me, the poisoning makes no difference. Yes, he’ll die eventually anyway, but if he’s scum, better toDay than tomorrow, wouldn’t you agree? I actually don’t agree. Mafia is played to eliminate all the scum before they reach parity with the townies. If the scum win the game, it doesn’t matter how many of them you killed or how early you did it. Every lynch we have is an opportunity to kill a wolf. If we lynch brewha today and he would’ve died in the night anyway, it’s as if we lynched nobody today. And usually lynching someone provides information because we get to see the way the votes fell, but in this case I’m not even sure if we’d get that info. If wolves believe brewha is a lost cause, they’re not going to make any attempt to save him and we’re not going to get any useful info. As I said, if he’s saved I think he’s totally back on the table. If he flips wolf and we find out who saved him, we might bag another wolf that way. This is all assuming Brewha is a wolf of course, I’m not convinced he is yet. The thing is, even if he’s a villager and we lynch him before he dies of poison, we’ve still wasted a lynch on him that could have been put to better use. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2730 "2011-08-24T16:58:15Z")
**vote idle thoughts** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2731 "2011-08-24T17:01:03Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > that isn’t what you said at all actually, you said you voted him because he was poisoned and the other person you considered voting was not > > you are looking very wolfy right now Uh, no..did you forget about [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14177573&postcount=2705)? I said right there why I voted for him over **Scathach** You even said [yourself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14177510&postcount=2695): > [@](#): > > **everyone who switched/voted inner stickler late should get a very very hard look** Hmm, let’s see..who does that apply to? Oh, I know! **Brewha!** If you think I look wolfy right now, then feel free to vote for me. At least you’ll be voting for who you find the most suspicious right now… **just like I’m doing**. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2732 "2011-08-24T17:04:24Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > By the way, I’m feeling quite healthy this Morning. I know I said that coming out with this was a bad idea, but I’ve reconsidered somewhat now that you did, and here’s why: 1. You’re not one of our exposed Masons, so the Scum will still be playing WIFOM tomorrow, and 2. There’s likely now a doc out there who knows it thanks to this. So thanks for not listening to my shit idea. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2733 "2011-08-24T17:04:34Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Uh, no..did you forget about [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14177573&postcount=2705)? I said right there why I voted for him over **Scathach** > You even said [yourself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14177510&postcount=2695): > > Hmm, let’s see..who does that apply to? Oh, I know! **Brewha!** > If you think I look wolfy right now, then feel free to vote for me. At least you’ll be voting for who you find the most suspicious right now… **just like I’m doing**. :rolleyes: I already voted that was after the post I quoted, in your original post you only stated you voted brewha over scatath because he was poisoned and the other was not, then later you made up the other reason ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2734 "2011-08-24T17:07:33Z")
I’m done talking about this. Vote for me if you feel it’s suspicious or scummy, anyone…but I’m not going to help dedicate a whole day to this discussion because I feel it’s what scum would want. I’d much rather help look for scum. I’ve already conceded that I’ll switch my vote quicker than anyone (onto someone else I feel comfortable lynching) if it comes to that. If anyone feels that my vote (and reasoning) is mislead, then, by all means, **give me the case for someone else** and I just might agree with you or see your side. Until then, I’m not going to back down off of a vote just because some people don’t agree with it. Votes are quick, easy to change, and are not permanent. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2735 "2011-08-24T17:07:45Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Action or Actions? Double-checked my PM. It is phrased in the singular. Which is consistent with what I had Yesterday Dawn, which was worded essentially that I had one action with two targets. @ **Drain Bead** : Yesterday people reported being “protected.” Today **ed** reports feeling “healthy.” My guess is that ed got the antivenom. Accordingly, whoever targeted ed could save **brewha**. Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2736 "2011-08-24T17:08:05Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > I already voted > > that was after the post I quoted, in your original post you only stated you voted brewha over scatath because he was poisoned and the other was not, then later you made up the other reason No, I didn’t make up the other reason. I expanded on my reasoning when you started going “WTF?” ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2737 "2011-08-24T17:08:18Z")
Come on guys! I’m not quite dead! Anyone got an asprin? Maybe some milk of magnesia? I’m not feeling so good today. So, I realize that the bandwagon against I.S. at the end of the day was probably an attempt to save BlaM. And, if this whole poisoning thing takes me out, you’ll see that I am town and I thought that the bandwagon against BlaM sprung up to save scum. I very much expected BlaM to flip town at his lynch. So, either lynch me today and look close at the other wagoneers from yesterday. Or look at them first and let the poison take care of me. Or lynch them first and someone gimme a fricken antidote! 🙂 Also, I dont’ know if this was mentioned, but it seems obvious that Mahahoth didn’t die from the poison. He just got poisoned and shot the same night, but the poison hadn’t taken effect. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2738 "2011-08-24T17:10:58Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Double-checked my PM. It is phrased in the singular. Which is consistent with what I had Yesterday Dawn, which was worded essentially that I had one action with two targets. > > @ **Drain Bead** : Yesterday people reported being “protected.” Today **ed** reports feeling “healthy.” My guess is that ed got the antivenom. Accordingly, whoever targeted ed could save **brewha**. Maybe. If that’s the case…we would probably need to know about **brewha** to know if he’s worth saving. I don’t particularly like this, but I think he needs to let us know as much about his role as he knows. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2739 "2011-08-24T17:11:32Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > No, I didn’t make up the other reason. I expanded on my reasoning when you started going “WTF?” maybe you should explain better and exactly why you think he is wolfier so it doesn’t appear as if you just sort of retroactively made up a reason to think he was wolfy after you already voted him being as specific as possible helps and is the difference between clearing you and getting lynched also I obviously mean more than what you said because I don’t buy those reasons ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2740 "2011-08-24T17:12:30Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > My guess is that ed got the antivenom. Accordingly, whoever targeted ed could save **brewha**. Maybe. This. This should definitely be tested. Also, I’m confused as to why I’d obviously be a wolf if I don’t die of poison. Wouldn’t an antidote giving healing role be more likely town? Or would it be more of an alchemist wolfy witch doctor? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2741 "2011-08-24T17:13:48Z")
I invite everyone to look at this bit: > [@brewha](#): > > you’ll see that I am town and I thought that the bandwagon against BlaM sprung up to save scum. See, that makess ZERO sense. When there was only **THIRTY MINUTES** left of Day, the votes were [THIS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14173616&postcount=2443). As you see, there is no way in hell that anyone could think the bandwagon was suddenly “sprung up” to save _anyone_ else. :dubious: That was a pretty silly reason, **Brewha**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=136) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=138)