# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 138
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2742 "2011-08-24T17:15:13Z")
Vote timing Blaster Master InnerStickler Donk (1135) Septimus (1808) texCat (2204) DanceCat (T) (2258) Normal Phase (2272) Episki (2295) DrainBead(2322) IdleThoughts (2326) NAF1138 (2347) ScubaBen (2376) Lightfoot (2403) GnarlyCharlie (2446) ScatHach (2451) SilverJan (2460) BrewHa(2466) BlasterMaster (2486) Pwnsall (2491) PeekerCPA(2492) On the Krazy Waggon we had Drainbead Sanagamn Malahoth (S) IdleThoughts LightFoot ScubaBen PrecambrianMollusc So Scuaben, Lightfoot and Gnarlycharlie started the roll against Innerstickler Both Scubaben and Lightfoot were on the Krazy list adding numbers at the upper end of the vote count. gnarlyCharlie was accused of scum by SilverJan. Obviosuly GC is backed up by texcat with the mason claim. SilverJan was pushing the vote on IS up to 6 when the count on BM was 8 votes. Which doenst look good, however SilverJan was attacked and voted for by Blastermaster, who was scum. I am pointing a big finger of suspicon at lightfoot and Scba for voting pattern reasons. GnarlyCharlie for voting position and being accused of being a wolf. texcat is still suspicious to me for fishing for roles and asking who alse investigated GnarlyCharlie as SilverJan said it wasn’t her result. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2743 "2011-08-24T17:16:14Z")
Well crap - my formatting did not work at all on that - tried to do two columns with spaces ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2744 "2011-08-24T17:20:27Z")
Vote timing Blaster Master… InnerStickler Donk (1135) Septimus (1808) …texCat (2204) DanceCat (T) (2258) Normal Phase (2272) Episki (2295) DrainBead(2322) IdleThoughts (2326) NAF1138 (2347) …ScubaBen (2376) …Lightfoot (2403) …GnarlyCharlie (2446) …ScatHach (2451) …SilverJan (2460) …BrewHa(2466) …BlasterMaster (2486) Pwnsall (2491) PeekerCPA(2492) On the Krazy Waggon we had Drainbead Sanagamn Malahoth (S) IdleThoughts LightFoot ScubaBen PrecambrianMollusc So Scuaben, Lightfoot and Gnarlycharlie started the roll against Innerstickler Both Scubaben and Lightfoot were on the Krazy list adding numbers at the upper end of the vote count. gnarlyCharlie was accused of scum by SilverJan. Obviosuly GC is backed up by texcat with the mason claim. SilverJan was pushing the vote on IS up to 6 when the count on BM was 8 votes. Which doenst look good, however SilverJan was attacked and voted for by Blastermaster, who was scum. I am pointing a big finger of suspicon at lightfoot and Scba for voting pattern reasons. GnarlyCharlie for voting position and being accused of being a wolf. texcat is still suspicious to me for fishing for roles and asking who alse investigated GnarlyCharlie as SilverJan said it wasn’t her result. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2745 "2011-08-24T17:22:12Z")
There’s a slender chance the anti-venom could be me…which I’m only posting because I’ve asked Gad to sub me out; I just can’t keep up with the game. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2746 "2011-08-24T17:23:14Z")
Oops, no, not me. Misremembered something. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2747 "2011-08-24T17:27:22Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > On a more serious note, I think there’s a solid chance of scum being found in the late Blaster wagon. Being the person to push Blaster over the edge is a serious chunk of town cred, and I can see that being tempting for scum. I’m at work, so I’ll have to review those people later. > [@Episkey](#): > > **FINAL DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** > > Through post #2496 > > Blaster Master (10): sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del], septimus [1808], [del]NAF1138 [2187][/del], Dancecat [2258], Normal Phase [2272], Episkey [2295], Drain Bead [2322], Idle Thoughts [2326], NAF1138 [2347], pwnsall [2491], peekercpa [2492] > Inner Stickler (8): TexCat [2204], [del]NAF1138 [2249][/del], Scuba\_Ben [2376], LightFoot [2403], gnarlycharlie [2446], Scathach [2451], Silver Jan [2460], brewha [2466], [del]lilflower [2469][/del], Blaster Master [2486] Trimming mine. When I voted Inner, I was only the second vote on em (NAF having already moved onto Blaster). The wagon on Inner really got rolling with either LightFoot at 2403 or gnarlycharlie at 2446. Note that there are 7 votes on Inner (one withdrawn) in the range of less than 90 posts. Also note that both of our claimed masons had their final votes on Inner. The late votes on Blaster were pwnsall and peeker, pushing Blaster over the top after the Inner wagon worked up steam. But we know peeker to be Town. So the possible Scum playing for Townie cred would be pwnsall. The votes in a short range were Dancecat, Normal, Episkey, Drain Bead, Idle, and NAF (posts 2258 through 2347, also just under 90 posts). I consider that the bulk of the wagon. There seems to me a good chance of Scum playing for Townie cred in that group too. But we know Dancecat to be Town. So it seems to me that the Scum hiding in the lynch would be in the group: pwnsall, Normal, Episkey, Drain Bead, Idle, and NAF. And there may be room for suspicion in the bandwagon on Inner. But _that_ is confused by Blaster’s defensive vote. Still, there could be Scum in the group: LightFoot, Scathach, Jan, brewha, lilflower. (I omit gnarly as claimed mason.) Thoughts on this, **Astral** and all? AOP @ **PCM** : I contest your claim that I started the bandwagon on Inner. The wagon got going well after (post-wise) I had voted for em. But I do agree with your claim about **LightFoot** ’s voting pattern. **vote LightFoot** Also good point about Blaster attacking Jan. This is a point in Jan’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2748 "2011-08-24T17:30:55Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I invite everyone to look at this bit: > > See, that makess ZERO sense. > When there was only **THIRTY MINUTES** left of Day, the votes were [THIS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14173616&postcount=2443). > > As you see, there is no way in hell that anyone could think the bandwagon was suddenly “sprung up” to save _anyone_ else. :dubious: > > That was a pretty silly reason, **Brewha**. You gotta look back further there, Idle. Blaster went from 1 or 2 votes to 8 in the course of a couple of hours. That action is the one that I thought was there to save someone else. I wasn’t the only one to notice it either. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2749 "2011-08-24T17:32:37Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > You gotta look back further there, Idle. Blaster went from 1 or 2 votes to 8 in the course of a couple of hours. That action is the one that I thought was there to save someone else. I wasn’t the only one to notice it either. Then why not vote for IS earlier than you did (rather than at the end there when it was a close race)? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2750 "2011-08-24T17:37:43Z")
Honestly? Because I wasn’t completely convinced that IS was scum. But, PCM’s post there really illustrates the BlaM wagon. He had two votes, and the IS gets one, then BlaM gets 6 over the course of the next 100 posts. That made it pretty obvious to me that BlaM was not scum. I believed that IS could plausibly be scum and putting my vote anywhere else would make absolutely no difference. Voting IS didn’t almost save BlaM, but thankfully, there’s smarter players than me and they kept that from happening. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2751 "2011-08-24T17:38:47Z")
NETA: Voting IS didn’t almost save BlaM, but thankfully, there’s smarter players than me and they kept that from happening. Should be Voting IS **did** almost save BlaM, but thankfully, there are smarter players than me and they kept that from happening. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2752 "2011-08-24T17:39:54Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Double-checked my PM. It is phrased in the singular. Which is consistent with what I had Yesterday Dawn, which was worded essentially that I had one action with two targets. > > @ **Drain Bead** : Yesterday people reported being “protected.” Today **ed** reports feeling “healthy.” My guess is that ed got the antivenom. Accordingly, whoever targeted ed could save **brewha**. Maybe. @Scuba_Ben, I thought we had this sorted out some time OK. You can PM mod, but I am pretty sure that you have to submit two targets, if you send in your night action before nightfall. The second is just a precaution in case your first target dies. Any message you receive should have been on the first target. I’m not very happy with the results this morning, but am happy to still be here! I was the first to vote for Inner, not to save Blaster, but because I thought Inner was scummy. NAF was the second voter and he went back and forth and ended on Blaster. I need to go look at the tail end of the voting yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2753 "2011-08-24T17:44:00Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > @Scuba_Ben, I thought we had this sorted out some time OK. You can PM mod, but I am pretty sure that you have to submit two targets, if you send in your night action before nightfall. The second is just a precaution in case your first target dies. Any message you receive should have been on the first target. No, that was **Jan**. She sent in her N1 target before Dusk, and was asked for a backup target. On the other hand, I was explicitly asked for two targets for my N2 action – no discussion of backup targets. I have not been asked for this for my action on N3, nor was I asked for it for N1. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2754 "2011-08-24T17:45:39Z")
_ **DEAD** _ WAAAAAAAAH I WAS NOT DONE YET!!! :mad: gogogogogogo town! _ **DEAD** _ ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2755 "2011-08-24T17:48:20Z")
I also think I can help someone confirm that someone else is town. Last night I was told I had a role (x) and an alignment (town). However that role as described is not consistent with the results I received the night before. In addition I also recieved a result last nigh that was consistent with the prior nights result. So it appears I was told someone elses role and alignment, but it had my name at the begining. That’s what I know. the rest below is supposition. My theory is There is a role out there that tells the target their alignment and power.(person I) There is a person out there who has role X and is town (Person T) It also appears that there is a redirector who can direct effects targeted at one player toanother (Person R) And there is me (person P) Person I targeted T, the redirector ® targeted T and me §. so I recieve Ts role and alignment courtesy of Is role and Rs redirection So to whoever the redirector is who targeted me and someone else, that someonelse is Town. I am not worried that the redirector is a scum redirector because the above doesn’t tell them anything they didnt know, they already knew that T was town. With the exception that they may not have known if T was town or a 3rd party , if we have any of those. I also think it unlikely that scum would be targeting me overnight, I may be paranoid but I suspect a couple of people and scum will be trying for an easy lynch of me today. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2756 "2011-08-24T17:59:38Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Trimming mine. > > When I voted Inner, I was only the second vote on em (NAF having already moved onto Blaster). The wagon on Inner really got rolling with either LightFoot at 2403 or gnarlycharlie at 2446. Note that there are 7 votes on Inner (one withdrawn) in the range of less than 90 posts. Also note that both of our claimed masons had their final votes on Inner. > > **The late votes on Blaster were pwnsall and peeker, pushing Blaster over the top after the Inner wagon worked up steam. But we know peeker to be Town. So the possible Scum playing for Townie cred would be pwnsall.** > > The votes in a short range were Dancecat, Normal, Episkey, Drain Bead, Idle, and NAF (posts 2258 through 2347, also just under 90 posts). I consider that the bulk of the wagon. There seems to me a good chance of Scum playing for Townie cred in that group too. But we know Dancecat to be Town. > > So it seems to me that the Scum hiding in the lynch would be in the group: pwnsall, Normal, Episkey, Drain Bead, Idle, and NAF. And there may be room for suspicion in the bandwagon on Inner. But _that_ is confused by Blaster’s defensive vote. Still, there could be Scum in the group: LightFoot, Scathach, Jan, brewha, lilflower. (I omit gnarly as claimed mason.) > > Thoughts on this, **Astral** and all? > > AOP @ **PCM** : I contest your claim that I started the bandwagon on Inner. The wagon got going well after (post-wise) I had voted for em. > > But I do agree with your claim about **LightFoot** ’s voting pattern. > **vote LightFoot** > > Also good point about Blaster attacking Jan. This is a point in Jan’s favor. they are independent events, meaning after hammering the wolf over villager we are probably each like 90/10 w/v, and now that he died I’m still 90/10 w/v obviously i know i’m 100% villager, and thinking that casting the deciding vote on a wolf is anything but villagery is bizarre ---
**Author:** ![MykBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@MykBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MykBot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2757 "2011-08-24T17:59:43Z")
Hey everyone, my bad, life got really hectic this week. For what it’s worth I still have no idea what my night action does and I failed to even submit it last night. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2758 "2011-08-24T18:00:38Z")
obviously i meant v/w ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2759 "2011-08-24T18:16:36Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Those are some shitty night results. > > None of them necessarily change my stance from yesterday: > > **vote SilverJan** > > Further vote analysis will occur when I get back home and spend several hours updating my timing spreadsheet. You are kidding? Right! We have just lost 3 Town and you want to mislynch another one, what kind of game are you playing??? **Vote Zeriel** For his absolutely idiotic vote. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2760 "2011-08-24T18:20:35Z")
Silver Jan, that is not a compelling rebuttal of Zeriel’s post. Do you honestly believe Zeriel is scum? Can you build a case that goes beyond OMGUS? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2761 "2011-08-24T18:26:17Z")
Welp, looks like **peeker** was Town. Sorry for trying to kill you, buddy. Still not sure what got in your bonnet about me, but rest in peace. Interesting about **Blaster Master** ’s role: send someone false alignment information. Not sure why he chose me, but I guess it doesn’t matter. I’d argue that it gives me some Town cred, since it would be an odd scum-scum play for Night one: I had gotten more votes and attention than him at that point, so if I’m lynched and flip scum, people will look askance at the guy I cleared. This argument relies heavily on “scum wouldn’t do that” though, which some people automatically reject so take it for what it’s worth. Another interesting bit of info: I was sent another message last Night, this time letting me know that **pwnsall** is Town. Again, this message was unrelated to the results of my Night action. No idea if it’s true, of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=137) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=139)