# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 143
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2842 "2011-08-24T20:31:13Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You might as well insert a role called “The invincible scum” into the game and have them immune to all lynches and night kills. Have you been reading the role list? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2843 "2011-08-24T20:32:14Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*\*Ben \*\*told us that someone had ‘charged’ his power, granting him a second target for Night 2. Are you claiming that someone was you? > [@special\_ed](#): > > yes. I wouldn’t have known it except that at Dawn this morning, aside from ffeling healthy, I was given a complete role PM with my power outlined. > [@special\_ed](#): > > A I’m sure you’re aware now if you’ve read, I was informed what my power was. You described the effect of my power. So I know it worked. I saw it on preview. Thank you very much! > [@](#): > > I think I was mildly pinged by you on Day 1, but so much has happened since then, I can’t recall why off the top of my head and am unwilling to do research as I sit at my desk and sweat since we don’t have air conditioning. You’re in good company. Quite a few people were pinged by me on Day 1, including the big bad wolf Blaster Master. (I like to think that I got Blaster talking enough that people fingered him as Scum. It’s better than thinking I consistently talk myself into a noose. Because as they said in _Blazing Saddles_, no noose is good noose.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2844 "2011-08-24T20:32:32Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Assume for the moment that a Scum Mason does exist in the game. What then makes you so sure there is no mechanism for the rest of the Masons to discover the Wolf in their midst? Well I would assume that either TexCat or Gnarlie would have mentioned it by now that it was a possibility. The type of mechanism I am thinking of would be something like their role PM saying “oh and watch out, one of you might be scum. I blow donkey balls. --Gad” ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2845 "2011-08-24T20:32:51Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Putting a wolf into the mix is anti-game and tends to break the game in favor of scum and while it isn’t always horrible particularly in the insanely large games you have over on POG in any smaller game it gives the scum such a large edge as to be almost impossible for the town to overcome it. There’s what, 37 players in this game? There was like 45 in the other game. Hardly a big difference in size. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2846 "2011-08-24T20:33:10Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > So, either lynch me today and look close at the other wagoneers from yesterday. Or look at them first and let the poison take care of me. As I said I don’t think it’s a good idea to lynch you while you’re poisoned and I definitely don’t know why you’d think it was a good idea. If consensus is you’re scum, it’s best to let poison kill you. If you can make a good case for why you’re not scum, maybe whoever targeted ed last night can target you and save you. If we think you’re scum and you still get saved, then we should probably lynch you. > [@brewha](#): > > Wouldn’t an antidote giving healing role be more likely town? Or would it be more of an alchemist wolfy witch doctor? I was thinking this myself. The game started with 9 wolves and 7 remain. I don’t know if healer is a role the wolves would be likely to have, I’d guess they wouldn’t but I could easily be wrong. Even if they did start with one, it’s now ~22% that he’s dead. Even if there is a wolf healer, if the day ends with a consensus that brewha should not be cured and someone heals him anyway, the person responsible would be putting a lot of heat on themselves and we might bag two wolves that way. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I am pointing a big finger of suspicon at lightfoot and Scba for voting pattern reasons. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > But I do agree with your claim about **LightFoot** ’s voting pattern. > **vote LightFoot** I am inclined to agree with these suspicions. I found LightFoot’s vote for krayz to be somewhat suspicious in a post I made in the earlier part of d2. He might be a good wagon today. However, from what I’ve read, I actually feel Scuba’s behavior has been pretty villagery. He has had an open mind as far as I can tell, and I think it’s important to note that he was only the second person on the Inner wagon. This makes his vote less likely to be a desperate move to save Blaster and more likely to have been off an honest read. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2847 "2011-08-24T20:33:42Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Have you been reading the role list? :dubious: Wait, were you not supposed to PM that to me last Night? Sorry. ;)😛 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2848 "2011-08-24T20:34:55Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > There’s what, 37 players in this game? There was like 45 in the other game. Hardly a big difference in size. At 45 players I still would call it nearly game breaking. At 75+ players I would say it’s probably ok (if I am going off the top of my head). How did that wolf mason die in the other game? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2849 "2011-08-24T20:35:26Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **Silver Jan** , actually. Hmm, so we targeted each other and we are both alive and kicking 🙂 Anyway what I wanted to say was that my “mate”\*\* Peeker\*\* was very sure that **Giraffe** was scum, why aren’t we discussing that? Do you all think that\*\* Peeker\*\* is a twit and you ignore everything he says? Well I for one won’t.\*\* Peeker\*\* might just have had a real result that told him that\*\* Giraffe\*\* was scum! We know\*\* Peeker\*\* is Town so why not just listen to him? \*\*Unvote \*\* **Vote Giraffe** And so I get rid of my Vote on Zeriel, but I still don’t trust him, there are more scum out there. My list Giraffe Zeriel And I have yet to think of the other one ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2850 "2011-08-24T20:35:46Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You might as well insert a role called “The invincible scum” into the game and have them immune to all lynches and night kills. Now THIS is the type of role I’d be pissed about. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2851 "2011-08-24T20:36:42Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > something that just struck me about the Dawn Post: > “Multiple people” appear to have killed **Dancecat**. Should we draw from this that once again multiple kills were directed at a single player? If you want to read meaning into the color, it says that the “multiple people” knew Dancecat was a Villager. That would mean Dancecat was shot by the Wolves. (Why would wolves use guns? Shouldn’t they be using their fangs? That’s bad color. I blame [del]Dirx[/del] Gad. Giraffe Board in-joke. Don’t worry about it.) AOP @ sangaman: I’ll have to go check the OPs to verify that we definitely started with 9 Wolves; I recall that was a player’s estimate. Or do you know something I don’t? Also, the reason I keep an open mind is because I know my preconceptions and opinions in Mafia are FUBAR. So I’m better off being convinced than doing the convincing. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2852 "2011-08-24T20:36:51Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Hmm, so we targeted each other and we are both alive and kicking 🙂 Yes, but remember, you blocked me, heh. Although it wouldn’t have made a difference, as my target for Night One is still alive and kicking (and seemingly fine), too. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2853 "2011-08-24T20:38:24Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > There’s what, 37 players in this game? There was like 45 in the other game. Hardly a big difference in size. Also, you are not going to change my mind on this. If I am wrong I will yell at Gad for a while and then yell at MHaye for even longer and get over it reminding myself not to play in games they designed in the future. But, 37-45 is 8 players. 8 players is a lot. Even if 4 players die every Night that’s still 2 Days worth of players. You have a lot more opportunities for random shit to balance the scales in that time. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2854 "2011-08-24T20:39:49Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > To make things easier in the future would the players that share their results or lack there-of be more specific. > If you received no result (ie no return PM at Dawn) > If you received a PM with no answers > If you received a PM stating “no apparent result” (it’s mentioned in the OP) > > I know we can’t directly quote our PM’s but since the phrase is mentioned in the OP as well it can be used (I checked) > > This may help us when we get to sorting it all out. Apparent result, light bulb moment 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2855 "2011-08-24T20:40:03Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > At 45 players I still would call it nearly game breaking. At 75+ players I would say it’s probably ok (if I am going off the top of my head). How did that wolf mason die in the other game? IIRC the player pool had suspicions that one of the masons was a wolf. Eventually they decided to lynch a mason and the mason they picked was actually the wolf. They then concluded that all of the other masons were probably villagers and cleared them all as villagers. Off to work now, cya. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2856 "2011-08-24T20:40:26Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Now THIS is the type of role I’d be pissed about. 😛 Tell me how it is effectively different than a scum mason? The big difference is that a scum mason might accidentally get killed at Night by a townie that doesn’t know what their power does or by a PFK. That is a little better for town, but not a whole heck of a lot. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2857 "2011-08-24T20:42:10Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > IIRC the player pool had suspicions that one of the masons was a wolf. Eventually they decided to lynch a mason and the mason they picked was actually the wolf. They then concluded that all of the other masons were probably villagers and cleared them all as villagers. > > Off to work now, cya. Someone else can tell me then. Why did they have suspicions, and why didn’t they just keep lynching masons? How did they know that half the masons weren’t wolves? It’s a slippery fucking slope and bad design. Catching the scum mason once is luck. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2858 "2011-08-24T20:43:29Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Tell me how it is effectively different than a scum mason? The big difference is that a scum mason might accidentally get killed at Night by a townie that doesn’t know what their power does or by a PFK. That is a little better for town, but not a whole heck of a lot. I’m assuming a scum mason could actually be KILLED, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2859 "2011-08-24T20:43:46Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Yes, but remember, you blocked me, heh. > > Although it wouldn’t have made a difference, as my target for Night One is still alive and kicking (and seemingly fine), too. Surely if I had blocked you I would have received a message saying I did? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2860 "2011-08-24T20:44:34Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Happy Birthday, Silver husband, you lucky bastard! > > And happy birthday to you , Pizza. Hope you get lucky today too, you bastard! > > 😉 I’m afraid if I get lucky, it will be because I stacked the deck by my own hand. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2861 "2011-08-24T20:45:08Z")
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