# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 147
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2922 "2011-08-24T23:41:40Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > spoiler tags are just like quote tags or the other ones > [spoiler] and [/ spoiler] without the spaces between the [ > > Multi quotes I cut/past to word so I can preview anyway so I have not wxperimented with that feature K I get some of that but how do you go to D1 and post, I am sorry to say this but I get bored looking for the post I need to make a case. I have to go back XYZ pages and then I can’t find a bloody quote that I thought I saw :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2923 "2011-08-24T23:45:07Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > But why allow the Scum to know you have a protective power if you are Town? If that’s what you might have? > > Won’t they want you dead? The apothcary only has protective powers against the poisoner. What would the wolves gain by killing the apothecary, other than potentially getting rid of someone that might be confirmable town. (thats a genuine question, not a rebuttal to your statement) The fact that we have a role that protects against the poisoner is a bit of a null tell about the alignment of the poisoner. If they are town, it would be helpful that town has a mechanism to dampen down the randomness of the protown kills. It is possible that scum have an equivalent protective role. That said my gut feel is poisoning just seams wrong, and would be an independent role. Scathach only revealed information that was already out there (the apthcary role, that SpecialEd felt healthy) or is unconfirmable now (targeted Dancecat who is no longer with us). Scathach was also the 5th person on the inner stickler bandwagon. It will be interesting to see how Scathach targets feel on following nights. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2924 "2011-08-24T23:47:20Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > I will just defend myself against this part - it was like half an hour before end of day when I voted and the bandwagon against BlasterMaster was massive - if I was a wolf I’d have just voted for BlaM for town cred. Why didn’t you vote for him just because you thought he was scummy? You said yourself that you wanted him lynched. From my notes Post 2449: Scathach votes Inner [wrong color; corrects it in 2551] but says this: “I like the Blaster lynch better than I like lynching any of the message receivers / mason’s for the moment. But I prefer the case against Inner.” ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2925 "2011-08-24T23:51:22Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Come on guys! I’m not quite dead! Anyone got an asprin? Maybe some milk of magnesia? I’m not feeling so good today. > > So, I realize that the bandwagon against I.S. at the end of the day was probably an attempt to save BlaM. And, if this whole poisoning thing takes me out, you’ll see that I am town and I thought that the bandwagon against BlaM sprung up to save scum. I very much expected BlaM to flip town at his lynch. > > So, either lynch me today and look close at the other wagoneers from yesterday. Or look at them first and let the poison take care of me. > > Or lynch them first and someone gimme a fricken antidote! 🙂 > Also, I dont’ know if this was mentioned, but it seems obvious that Mahahoth didn’t die from the poison. He just got poisoned and shot the same night, but the poison hadn’t taken effect. This response isn’t really related to this post but I’m posting as I catch up and seeing this reminded me that I wanted to ask you something. This is your post 2159 from Day 2: You vote Jan because “I guess the only way we’re going to sort this mess is to lynch one of the parties and go from there based on role and alignment; So, the only way to know for sure is to start lynching cops, I guess. I just don’t like that option." You say you don’t like this option but yet you vote for her. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2926 "2011-08-24T23:53:15Z")
So I actually went into everything you said LightFoot., not in any depth. Anyway tis me bedtime and I still have no idea what spoiler tags are ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2927 "2011-08-24T23:58:12Z")
Tis bedtime for me so if you eedjits want to vote for me weel go ahead, you will be nailed in the end ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2928 "2011-08-25T00:02:28Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > The apothcary only has protective powers against the poisoner. > What would the wolves gain by killing the apothecary, other than potentially getting rid of someone that might be confirmable town. > (thats a genuine question, not a rebuttal to your statement) > > The fact that we have a role that protects against the poisoner is a bit of a null tell about the alignment of the poisoner. If they are town, it would be helpful that town has a mechanism to dampen down the randomness of the protown kills. > It is possible that scum have an equivalent protective role. > That said my gut feel is poisoning just seams wrong, and would be an independent role. > > Scathach only revealed information that was already out there (the apthcary role, that SpecialEd felt healthy) or is unconfirmable now (targeted Dancecat who is no longer with us). Scathach was also the 5th person on the inner stickler bandwagon. It will be interesting to see how Scathach targets feel on following nights. So we’ve completely discounted that the poisoner might be Scum? And we’ve completely discounted that the apothecary might be able to provide and antidote to a Town poisoner who, in this set up, might be akin to a delayed kill mandatory Vig? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2929 "2011-08-25T00:11:22Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Hmm, so we targeted each other and we are both alive and kicking 🙂 > > Anyway what I wanted to say was that my “mate”\*\* Peeker\*\* was very sure that **Giraffe** was scum, why aren’t we discussing that? Do you all think that\*\* Peeker\*\* is a twit and you ignore everything he says? Well I for one won’t.\*\* Peeker\*\* might just have had a real result that told him that\*\* Giraffe\*\* was scum! We know\*\* Peeker\*\* is Town so why not just listen to him? > > \*\*Unvote > \*\* > **Vote Giraffe** > > And so I get rid of my Vote on Zeriel, but I still don’t trust him, there are more scum out there. > > My list > > Giraffe > Zeriel > > And I have yet to think of the other one Again, still posting as I catch up so if this has been addressed (or unvoted), I apologize but **Jan** , it seems to me that all of your votes are either OMGUS votes or “me too” votes. Do you actually have a case against **Giraffe**? If you believe **peeker** ’s case, can you restate it for us? Just because \*\*peeker \*\*was town, it doesn’t mean he was right about **Giraffe**. I also think it would be very strange for a scum \*\*BlaM \*\*to target his scum buddy. And what do you mean by “I have yet to think of the other one”? The other one what? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2930 "2011-08-25T00:20:19Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > One person I’m looking at is **lilflower**. I really don’t like her voting near the end of yesterDay. > [post #2469](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14173762&postcount=2469): > If **lilflower** is scum, her thinking is clear: if the tie-breaker ends up lynching Blaster, people are going to be very suspicious of me casting the last vote on Inner. Better play it safe. > > If you’re Town and you believe Inner is scum, why let others control the vote? You said yourself that you expected scum to try to sway a bandwagon to save one of their own, yet you’re more scared of a tie than a mislynch? > > **vote lilflower** Still catching up (and I believe you have unvoted me already) but I am going to respond anyway. I don’t really understand your reasoning about the tie-breaker. If I had left the votes in a tie, then the lynchee would have been chosen randomly. So why would my last vote on \*\*Inner \*\*look any more or less suspicious? And I don’t understand how I would be letting others control the vote. What does that mean? And yes, I am way more scared of a tie because I don’t want things to be left up to chance. In a tie, we lose a lot of accountability for our votes. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2931 "2011-08-25T00:32:05Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Let Brewha die and see what his alignment is first. > > I’ll refrain from poisoning if he flips townie. If? WTF do you mean if? You were 100% convinced that I am scum and have been since the game started. So much so that you took it upon yourself to KILL me. If I flip town? You poisoned me without being sure?!? Oh, and BTW, poisoner does not seem like a townie role. Are you so convinced I’m scum because I didn’t further address your accusations? IME, arguing against one person’s crazy accusations does nothing but distract town from the real objective. And, for some reason, I have a tendency to attract crazy accusations and seem to only exacerbate things when I try to defend against it. So, I did a little smudge against you after your first accusation - just to gauge your reaction. From that, I didn’t peg you ass cum (har har) so I decided to drop the whole deal. Had I known you had the power to poison me later I may have had the inclination to persuade you otherwise. Appears to be all moot unless some sees fit to de poison me. I’m out of the office all day tomorrow. I’ll be scarce til Fri morning. So, you all got plenty of time to chew on that then, donuts. I know I probably didn’t do that right. I’ve just wanted to try it since all the cool kids are doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2932 "2011-08-25T00:47:16Z")
**MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT** J.D. will be subbing in to replace SisterCoyote. Say hi to J.D.! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2933 "2011-08-25T00:48:25Z")
**CURRENT PLAYER LIST** Askthepizzaguy/PetW Astral Rejection brewha bufftabby crackedquads DonkTimesFour/sachertorte Drain Bead Episkey Giraffe gnarlycharlie Idle Thoughts J.D./SisterCoyote LightFoot lilflower MykBot NAF1138 Normal Phase Precambrianmollusc pwnsall/TimeLady sangaman/Meeko Scathach Scuba\_Ben septimus Silver Jan special ed Suburban Plankton TexCat Weedy/Hirka T’Bawa Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2934 "2011-08-25T00:50:26Z")
hi, J.D. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2935 "2011-08-25T01:09:04Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I was told that I felt a warm glow on Night 1. (I relayed this poorly due to fear of violating the don’t-post-PM rule.) If someone targeted you Night 1 and me Night 2, then they would appear to be the giver of the glowing warmness. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2936 "2011-08-25T01:12:15Z")
I am not a fan of the rush to vote **sangaman**. I’d imagine if he were Scum, the 24-hour discussion they can have would have led them to come up with a good defense for him to post by now (and I have an idea of what that would be, even). Not to mention my theory, which I’ll relay to the folks who are new to our games. 1. Almost all of the lynchings based on these PIS (Perfect Information Syndrome, you guys use the much better acronym TMI) slips are of Town, not Scum. Someone upthread (NAF, maybe?) had posted a list of reasons we’ve lynched other players in the past for like slips–they were almost all Town, if not all Town. 2. In a majority of those cases, regardless of lynchee alignment, the first person in the thread to point out the “slip” was Scum. It’s a really easy case for Scum to make–they notice those things quickly, and it’s easy to get Town to go along with it. 3. It looks like **Suburban Plankton** was the one who called it out first. He might be worth an investigation, if you think you have an investigative role. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2937 "2011-08-25T01:23:13Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I am not a fan of the rush to vote **sangaman**. I’d imagine if he were Scum, the 24-hour discussion they can have would have led them to come up with a good defense for him to post by now (and I have an idea of what that would be, even). Not to mention my theory, which I’ll relay to the folks who are new to our games. > > 1. Almost all of the lynchings based on these PIS (Perfect Information Syndrome, you guys use the much better acronym TMI) slips are of Town, not Scum. Someone upthread (NAF, maybe?) had posted a list of reasons we’ve lynched other players in the past for like slips–they were almost all Town, if not all Town. > > 2. In a majority of those cases, regardless of lynchee alignment, the first person in the thread to point out the “slip” was Scum. It’s a really easy case for Scum to make–they notice those things quickly, and it’s easy to get Town to go along with it. > > 3. It looks like **Suburban Plankton** was the one who called it out first. He might be worth an investigation, if you think you have an investigative role. In regards to point 1, I can think of 2 examples off the top of my head where a PIS slip led to the lynching of a Scum. Evil Dead on this board is one of them. In regards to point 2, can you cite examples? You seem awfully certain with your use of “almost all” and “a majority” when I think what you mean is “a cursory search of my memory, while clouded by confirmation bias, seems to indicate” or “a couple of really memorable occurrences of this have occurred” In regards to point 3, you’re telling any potential investigators what to do? ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2938 "2011-08-25T01:23:30Z")
Hi all, just checking in and introducing myself. I am drunk after spending the day drinking and golfing, plan on reading a lot of this thread tomorrow, looks like it has really blown up since yesterday. Quick question for Poggers in this game (pwnsall, etc) are there any other Poggers not going by their name on 2+2? FYI, obv I am a Pogger. Hope to fit in well with you guys, seems there are some people doing good work ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2939 "2011-08-25T01:25:18Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > It was in the original mystery mash. There was an 8 person masonry, 7 villagers and one wolf. Given the smaller player pool here I’d imagine a masonry is smaller (maybe 4 players tops), but there very well could be a wolf mason. Don’t just cry foul and refuse to believe it. It isn’t even a design flaw, masonries are a very powerful pro-villager tool, and they become more valuable in a game where no one knows their powers. One way to balance a masonry in a game like this is to put a wolf in the mix. there was no 8 person masonry there were two 3 person masonries and one 2 person masonry and the wolf mason still peeked as a wolf and had to find his masons first ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2940 "2011-08-25T01:31:29Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > Hi all, just checking in and introducing myself. > > I am drunk after spending the day drinking and golfing, plan on reading a lot of this thread tomorrow, looks like it has really blown up since yesterday. > > Quick question for Poggers in this game (pwnsall, etc) are there any other Poggers not going by their name on 2+2? > > FYI, obv I am a Pogger. Hope to fit in well with you guys, seems there are some people doing good work I haven’t noticed any but I’m not great at knowing ww players anyway ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/2941 "2011-08-25T01:34:44Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Welp, looks like **peeker** was Town. Sorry for trying to kill you, buddy. Still not sure what got in your bonnet about me, but rest in peace. > > Interesting about **Blaster Master** ’s role: send someone false alignment information. Not sure why he chose me, but I guess it doesn’t matter. I’d argue that it gives me some Town cred, since it would be an odd scum-scum play for Night one: I had gotten more votes and attention than him at that point, so if I’m lynched and flip scum, people will look askance at the guy I cleared. This argument relies heavily on “scum wouldn’t do that” though, which some people automatically reject so take it for what it’s worth. > > Another interesting bit of info: I was sent another message last Night, this time letting me know that **pwnsall** is Town. Again, this message was unrelated to the results of my Night action. No idea if it’s true, of course. afaik had nothing to do with my action [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=146) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=148)