# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 151
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3002 "2011-08-25T04:36:08Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > I thought I was just a whisper, those don’t seem to be like investigations And if the whispers are \*totally \*worthless, then following them is also foolish. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3003 "2011-08-25T04:36:43Z")
all the people who claimed investigations yesterday should obviously claim again today ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3004 "2011-08-25T04:38:23Z")
I’m really only reporting these results because it helps the cops in question deduce their sanity and gets the results on record. **I strongly oppose lynching, and recommend each cop investigate the next person on the list of 3 results in alphabetical order, until they deduce their sanity.** Once their sanity is deduced, they can be much more useful cops. If they deduce that someone is guilty, they can reveal. Until then they should be quiet. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3005 "2011-08-25T04:39:55Z")
Problem with that plan is re-directors, however, I doubt the scums have 3 redirectors, and getting innocent and guilty results in your history proves you’re sane or insane regardless. It’s still useful, albeit less conclusive. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3006 "2011-08-25T04:43:14Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m definitely willing to lynch Episkey. Sign me up. > > **Vote Episkey.** > > For my earlier case on him plus a claim of wolf by Askthepizzaguy. It’s possible the whisper could be wrong, so I’m sorry if you flip townie. As I said yesterday regarding gnarly, I’d rather find out the old-fashioned way than worry about it day after day. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Recommend against lynching Episkey. I think this is a bad vote. > > **Vote: Astral Rejection.** > > To make my point. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > \*\*Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy > Under this very unlikely scenario, that means there are two known wolves between NAF and Episkey. Advice here would be to lynch 2 of them, a third if you only hit one wolf. > \*\* > Correction: Only one likely wolf between Naf and Episkey, and pwnsall is guilty under that extremely unlikely scenario. > > Pwnsall should know whether this is not possible because it rules him guilty. > > I rule it only very remotely likely and generally discard it. What? You advocate to lynch two of them, but when astral votes episkey you vote for astral? ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3007 "2011-08-25T04:43:40Z")
eh, you seem more focused on mechanics which i tend to not value as much until later in the game ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3008 "2011-08-25T04:46:04Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > And if the whispers are \*totally \*worthless, then following them is also foolish. We know there is more than one whisperer, and imo it’s very unlikely they are both wolf roles. There isn’t that many wolf powers to go around and making two of them messengers sound pretty stupid. That and the wolf messenger probably needs a villager messenger just for balance sake. We should be able to trust one of the whispers, but note that the village whisper could still have incorrect reads. If one of the whisperers dies and flips wolf, we should really pay attention to the other whispers from there on out. pwns do you remember if there were a wolf and village messenger in your game? ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3009 "2011-08-25T04:49:05Z")
there were no messengers in the way i think of them i don’t think there were any whisperers either or whatever you call this thing, i can try to dig up the old excel sheet if i can remember what it’s called ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3010 "2011-08-25T04:49:23Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > What? You advocate to lynch two of them, but when astral votes episkey you vote for astral? Did you read my post or not? I said it was VERY UNLIKELY and that I recommended against it. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3011 "2011-08-25T04:52:52Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > eh, you seem more focused on mechanics which i tend to not value as much until later in the game I don’t value these results either. You don’t lynch based on detective results unless you think they are valuable. I think they can \*become \*valuable. I recommend lynching someone besides yourself, NAF, or Episkey today, and otherwise noting these results but not doing anything with them unless someone has been able to deduce for certain that someone in this list is scum. Until that time, it’s only academic. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3012 "2011-08-25T04:53:38Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Did you read my post or not? > > I said it was VERY UNLIKELY and that I recommended against it. So you list a very unlikely scenario, one that you so strongly don’t want to even test out that you’re willing to lynch anyone who broaches it, but you also give advice on what to do if this very unlikely scenario is true. WTF is the point? ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3013 "2011-08-25T04:54:58Z")
Also pizza, you seem to get ideas in your head and just be completely unwilling to budge from them. I’ve read at least two or three posts from you along the lines of “You won’t change my mind on this…” It’s kind of tilting me. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3014 "2011-08-25T04:56:18Z")
can find it, whatever, fairly certain there was no role that sent messages of any kind ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3015 "2011-08-25T04:56:38Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > So you list a very unlikely scenario, one that you so strongly don’t want to even test out that you’re willing to lynch anyone who broaches it, but you also give advice on what to do if this very unlikely scenario is true. WTF is the point? Sigh. IF- There is one of each result, which is the only way to deduce what’s happening before all the detectives die, besides lynching everyone with a detective result (time wasting) THEN- There are exactly THREE possible scenarios. I listed all three to be exhaustive. One scenario is more likely than the other two, the third is the least likely by far. CONCLUSION- Do not assume the third one is true or act on that assumption through lynches. Adopt wait and see, but note all three scenarios just in case it becomes useful to someone this round or soon. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3016 "2011-08-25T04:56:45Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > there were no messengers in the way i think of them > > i don’t think there were any whisperers either or whatever you call this thing, i can try to dig up the old excel sheet if i can remember what it’s called The list is posted somewhere by rebonk in the last game, 2nd to last page iirc (100 per page). I thought I saw “messenger” named roles in that list but I guess they worked different than in this game? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3017 "2011-08-25T04:58:43Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Also pizza, you seem to get ideas in your head and just be completely unwilling to budge from them. I’ve read at least two or three posts from you along the lines of “You won’t change my mind on this…” It’s kind of tilting me. You folks keep attaching this criticism to me, and it’s false. I gave you three scenarios involving “one of each type” detective results. I also said it’s possible that it’s not “one of each type” and that therefore, the results are going to be much harder to deduce. I also said it’s possible all the results are bogus. In response, folks are latching onto one of the scenarios, the scenario I find least likely, and aren’t budging from that one. Your criticism is not only wrong, it’s inverted from the truth. I’m not the stubborn one here. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3018 "2011-08-25T05:00:48Z")
If you prefer, I can give you no scenarios, no observations, no recommendations, no analysis, and just vote randomly. I’m sure that’s superior to what I’m doing. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3019 "2011-08-25T05:01:13Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > The list is posted somewhere by rebonk in the last game, 2nd to last page iirc (100 per page). > > I thought I saw “messenger” named roles in that list but I guess they worked different than in this game? Found it, there was a wolf “messenger” in the game. Can’t post the role pm but the wolf power was essentially to send a random living role to the wolf’s targeted player. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3020 "2011-08-25T05:02:13Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > If you prefer, I can give you no scenarios, no observations, no recommendations, no analysis, and just vote randomly. > > I’m sure that’s superior to what I’m doing. Lol, again, you’re being combative and stubborn. Just relax. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3021 "2011-08-25T05:04:19Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Lol, again, you’re being combative and stubborn. Just relax. You’re being equally combative, or else there would be no debate. You’re being equally stubborn, or else you’d follow my recommendation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=150) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=152)