# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 159
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3162 "2011-08-25T17:21:54Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > I am wondering if the difference in verbiage as to feeling protected or warm or whathaveyou might just be “cosmetic”, if you will. As with the reveals, I will say that I put some thought into composing the results. > [@](#): > > [somewhat OOG]I’m back at work after being laid off the past couple weeks, so I don’t have quite as much time as I have, but I’m assuming that it would be preferable for me to continue playing rather than subbing? I’m keeping up, but it’s not easy. [/OOG] Definitely preferable for you to continue playing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3163 "2011-08-25T17:21:55Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > ,snipped. > Episkey has posted more than I suspected but he’s seemed pretty middle of the pack, the only thing that really jumped out on the first read was him calling me out for a post I made about him saying that everyone should keep an eye on him because he’s a really good wolf. He had some degree of reason for his post (apparently something similar had already been posted) but him calling me out basically amounted to “I’m keeping my eye on you” which seemed to be him wanting to keep that suspicion door just a wee bit cracked for future use. No, I said I found it strange you also commented that I’m a good scum player right after I told Dancecat I’d give her villager points for saying it. It read to me like an attempt to get some free villager points. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3164 "2011-08-25T17:23:04Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Also, this pretty much insta vote is atrocious and scummy as hell. > > It reads as if Astral is trying to jump on a mislynch s/he can turn around and say “whoops someone said he was peeked wolf my bad!” and have no heat for it. > > Can someone tell me if Astral jumped all over the “peeked” wolf yesterday? I did indeed. Town needs info. And please. You’re one of only two cases I’ve made. I hardly “jumped all over you” just because someone claims you’re a wolf. I think my suspicions regarding you have been clear. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3165 "2011-08-25T17:23:27Z")
I have class again soon. I was going to finish my analysis of the Blaster/Inner wagon, but I’ll do that tonight now. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3166 "2011-08-25T17:24:36Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’m only up to 3100. > I targeted gnarlycharlie N1, and once I saw ATPG’s list I confirm I did not target either Episkey or NAF. I conclude with utmost certainty that I am not an investigator. This corroborates Yesterday’s post (I’m not sure who said it) watching gnarlycharlie and seeing that he was targeted by a non-investigator. > > snipped i’ve forgotten, why did you target me? if no one else targeted me, you’re probably the one who made me feel safe. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Caught up to my 3117. > I’m getting an anti-Town feel on NAF. I don’t have a reason for it. ☹ I’d appreciate other people’s opinions on him. > > I’m also getting an anti-Town feel on ATPG, from his oft-stated determination to keep poisoning people, or alternately keep poisoning **brewha** until e’s very dead. > > I am keeping my vote on **sangaman**. E referred to eir own post as a “slip” not a “mistake” or “goof.” In my experience, Scum makes slips and Town makes goofs. But this is hardly proof. **Pizza** is like a force of nature. i imagine he behaves this way whatever alignment he might have. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3167 "2011-08-25T17:25:38Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I did indeed. Town needs info. > > And please. You’re one of only two cases I’ve made. I hardly “jumped all over you” just because someone claims you’re a wolf. I think my suspicions regarding you have been clear. I never said you jumped all over me. I mean that you jumped all over the chance to vote me before even thinking about the situation. If you jumped all over the other one too, it’s less scummy than I thought. Why did you choose me and not NAF though? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3168 "2011-08-25T17:26:48Z")
Gnarly, confirm Silver said she received a message and you’re a mason please so I know I’m thinking of the right person. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3169 "2011-08-25T17:28:43Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > I never said you jumped all over me. I mean that you jumped all over the chance to vote me before even thinking about the situation. > > If you jumped all over the other one too, it’s less scummy than I thought. Why did you choose me and not NAF though? I already had a case on you. With a claim of “wolf” on the table, I felt that your lynch has a better than average chance of killing a wolf. I have no extant case on NAF, and I’d like to review him when I get off work. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3170 "2011-08-25T17:29:45Z")
I’ve been over and over my notes for Day 2 and I don’t like these posts by Drain Bead. In the same vein as brewha, she is advocating lynching Jan just to get information even while admitting that Silver Jan might be town. Drain Bead, can your reasoning again, please? > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Sorry for cutting that off. Posting from iPad, lost cursor, couldn’t get it back. > > So. > > Charlie is Scum: > –Jan and Scuba are Town. Tex is Scum. > > Charlie is Town: > –Tex is Town. We don’t know, but suspect Jan and Scuba. > > Again, I think we get more info from a Jan lynch, and it’s clear that we have either lying or untrustworthy info from her or Tex/Charlie. Killing her will tell us which that is, while killing Charlie won’t necessarily do so. > > **unvote gnarlycharlie > vote Silver Jan** > > I’m drunk and open to suggestion, though. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > The main drawback I can see to lynching **Jan** (and yes, I do realize I am voting for her at the moment) is that she might not be a cop at all, but might still be Town. > > My fear about this game is that none of the cops get their own results. So we may have multiple cops, some reliable and some unreliable, and all of their results end up broadcast to random targets. The amount of unfiltered noise there is unbelievable. I wouldn’t even begin to have an idea of how to sort through it all. > > I do find **Tex** and **gnarly** to be pretty believable, because it seems highly likely that **gnarly** targeted **Tex** last Night, and the Mason handshake is a Night action (like in the Sekham games). If you don’t have an idea of what your role does, it might be worth targeting one of the two of them toNight, to see if you might be a Mason. > > So here’s my theory. We lynch **SilverJan**. If she turns up Town and not a paranoid or insane Cop, _anyone who targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night should self-target toNight._ I say this because if you targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night, you could be a crazy broadcasting Cop of some type. If you target yourself, and you investigate back as Scum (to you or to someone else), now you know it. > > It might be worth it for anyone who targeted **gnarlycharlie** last Night to come out now…do we think the Scum would take a shot at a possible Insane or Paranoid Cop, given all the other targets? What do you guys think of this idea? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3171 "2011-08-25T17:31:45Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > what do you think the odds are of the makeup being various things (1 villa 2 mafia etc) > > i two died villa would you want to kill the third regardless? Until I have a chance to review the posts, voting history, etc. for the three players involved, I can’t answer your first question. In answer to your second question, if two of them die (regardless of how they flip) then we will have additional information, which will need to be factored into the equation. I didn’t think hold this hypothesis Yesterday, before the information that was revealed from last Night. It’s entirely possible that information revealed Tonight, or even later Today, will change my mind on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3172 "2011-08-25T17:31:55Z")
Here is another post that pings me now on re-read. Normal, why not go after Drain Bead for the same reason? She actually voted for Jan before brewha and for the same reasons. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > OK, skimming back over the last few pages again I have a short list for the lynch: > > DanceCat > Blastermaster > > These two on Pizza’s Dethy theory, which I find intriguing. DanceCat higher than Blaster pending NAF’s promised case. > > Brewha > > For the vote on Jan. > > PCM > Inner Stickler > > For their votes on gnarlycharlie. (For these two maybe PCM a notch above Inner because Inner is Inner.) > > The one that pinged me the most is brewha, but I’ll vote for any of them. > **unvote** > **vote: brewha** > > Giraffe needs review for day two participation, of which I have thus far read zero (though there must be some since his name just came up). > > Brewha’s post: > This is a terrible vote. It completely dodges responsibility for whether or not SilverJan is actually scum, rationalizing her lynch purely on the basis of informational gain that is not all that certain anyway and could actively be detrimental to town if the Dethy theory is true _and_ Silver Jan is insane (that’s the reverse one, right)? > > At that, I’m not even sure that Silver Jan _is_ the cop herself (see comment above not getting how this works), but brewha’s vote assumes that she is. > > On preview: NAF, I’d like to see the Ed case too even if he’s not getting lynched today. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3173 "2011-08-25T17:32:14Z")
Like most times we have a slip, the explanation is more interesting than the slip itself. First, **sanga** mentions that he was “embarrassed” so he didn’t post a response immediately upon seeing that he’d been called on it. As others have rightly pointed out, he could also have been waiting for the Scum to help him craft a response. I know if I were Town in that situation, I wouldn’t have waited–I’d want to try my damnedest to avoid a mislynch. I would have posted my explanation, no matter how shitty, and likely posted everything I know about my role and Night targets too, so just in case I was still mislynched, I would have given the Town all the info I had. Second, the explanation itself is not at all what I expected it to be. IIRC, during the time that post occurred, many people had been discussing the prior game that this one is based on. I didn’t read that game, but I thought I’d seen someone mention that there were 9 Scum in it. I was expecting him to say something about conflating the two games. Of course, if I’m mistaken about my underlying assumption about the previous game, that explanation goes out the window. This one is a WIFOM situation. Are we to expect that this is the best explanation that seven people could come up with, given time to craft it? Or have they just figured he’s a lost cause, and told him not to put up a fight so that they could get cred for bussing him? I expect at least a couple of the early voters for him to be Scum; even more so if he turns out to be Scum himself. **unvote Scathach vote sangaman** In the end, the explanation is too weak, and the related aspects of what I would expect from a Townie defense are not present. I also lend some credence to the thoeory that he shouldn’t have referred to it as a slip in his own words, but I don’t find that quite as damning as others do–sometimes you just use the same word that other people are using. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3174 "2011-08-25T17:34:00Z")
I have class. Hopefully someone can confirm what I asked earlier and we can solve whats going on with the false messages tonight and tomorrow ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3175 "2011-08-25T17:35:01Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > there is probably a miller whisperer By that you mean a Villager that falsely discloses their alignment to their target? The same basic ability as **Blaster Master** , but in a Villager role? I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see that. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3176 "2011-08-25T17:35:10Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Gnarly, confirm Silver said she received a message and you’re a mason please so I know I’m thinking of the right person. **Silver Jan** received a message that i was a wolf. **TexCat** and i claimed mason. **Weedy** received a message that **TexCat** is a villager and a mason. there were other revelations but those are the ones pertinent to me. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3177 "2011-08-25T17:40:51Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > As with the reveals, I will say that I put some thought into composing the results. Verrrrry interesting. I targeted myself last Night, but I never targeted Septimus. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3178 "2011-08-25T17:42:32Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > ] > Just to make sure 100%: > Jan got a gnarly=wolf message yesterday, but gnarly said he’s a mason (and corroborated by another mason) correct? Correct. Also Astral did jump all over gnarly yesterDay. We had a whole long argument where I called him earthshatteringly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3179 "2011-08-25T17:43:11Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > I didn’t get any other mod response N2, though I had a lack of apparent results N0 and N1. I don’t know why I would be targetted by Scum last Night, though. I am wondering if the difference in verbiage as to feeling protected or warm or whathaveyou might just be “cosmetic”, if you will. Can you just clarify please: Did you receive no results from your actions, or did you receive results saying in effect “There was no apparent result from your action”? The latter implies that your action was successful but produced no visible result, while the former gives no information at all. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3180 "2011-08-25T17:44:12Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i’ve forgotten, why did you target me? if no one else targeted me, you’re probably the one who made me feel safe. I’ll have to check the last 2-3 pages of Day 1. You started showing up on someone’s radar, I empathized, and to get a head start I targeted you. > [@](#): > > **Pizza** is like a force of nature. i imagine he behaves this way whatever alignment he might have. I agree with your assessment that he’ll act like this regardless of his alignment. OOG, as PizzaGuy is like a force of nature, I’d like to introduce him to Irene this weekend. She’s currently in the Caribbean but will be visiting the urban Northeast. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3181 "2011-08-25T17:47:21Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Can you just clarify please: > > Did you receive no results from your actions, or did you receive results saying in effect “There was no apparent result from your action”? > > The latter implies that your action was successful but produced no visible result, while the former gives no information at all. As I said, no response other than the glow N2, but no apparent result N1 and N0. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=158) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=160)