# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 164
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3262 "2011-08-25T22:53:34Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*\*Pizza \*\*subbed in for \*\*PetW \*\*during Day 1. It’s possible that message was sent to him simply to tell him that PetW had targeted you on Night 0. Pizza would need to know that. But it doesn’t necessarily imply that the action actually went through. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3263 "2011-08-25T22:56:34Z")
**Episkey** Night 1, visited **Silver Jan**. Jan was told that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is Scum Night 2, visited **Askthepizzaguy**. Pizza was told that \*\*Episkey \*\*is Scum, and was told that \*\*NAF1138 \*\*is Scum. Assuming that Episkey is a Paranoid/Insane Cop, I see no reason why he it’s more likely that he is responsible for the Episkey result than for the NAF1138 result. In my opinion, there is exactly a 50/50 chance given the information we have currently. Again, assuming he is a Cop, should we be looking for some mechanism (another player’s power, perhaps) that governs _whose alignment_ Episkey sends to his target? Or are we assuming it’s random? I dislike randomness in Mafia (once the game is afoot). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3264 "2011-08-25T22:59:56Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > You said earlier that you forgot to submit a target so it was chosen randomly, correct? When you got your results, did your PM tell you the name of your target? Disclaimer: I’m not asking you to tell us your target, just if you know who it was. yes, I was told who I targeted, and it was not NAF. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3265 "2011-08-25T23:02:36Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Episkey** > > Night 1, visited **Silver Jan**. Jan was told that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is Scum > Night 2, visited **Askthepizzaguy**. Pizza was told that \*\*Episkey \*\*is Scum, and was told that \*\*NAF1138 \*\*is Scum. > > Assuming that Episkey is a Paranoid/Insane Cop, I see no reason why he it’s more likely that he is responsible for the Episkey result than for the NAF1138 result. In my opinion, there is exactly a 50/50 chance given the information we have currently. > > Again, assuming he is a Cop, should we be looking for some mechanism (another player’s power, perhaps) that governs _whose alignment_ Episkey sends to his target? Or are we assuming it’s random? > > I dislike randomness in Mafia (once the game is afoot). I understand why in your position you believe it’s 50/50, but from my position I know for a fact one is wrong, while that isn’t the case with the other one. Since I believe I’ve sent out one insane one (again, as paranoid would be a stupid role and insane would at least be useful once you figured it out) already, I believe I have an extremely higher chance of being responsible for mine. I still have zero clue HOW the target of the investigation is chosen (by that I mean Gnarly/Me), but I am much much much more confident I’m the target in this case than NAF. I don’t think it’s random though. Random doesn’t sound like something Gad would do (I also have no idea if it’s acceptable to say things like that. I hope so ☹ ) I just have no clue exactly how it works. I think with time we can figure it out though. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3266 "2011-08-25T23:04:11Z")
Is there a chance that I choose who receives my peek and someone else’s target is the target of the investigation? So like: Player A targets Player B Player C targets Player D Player B gets insane peek of Player D? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3267 "2011-08-25T23:06:53Z")
Meh, idk. That seems pretty complicated for a backwards peek ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3268 "2011-08-25T23:08:07Z")
I will say: :thumb: A+ to Gad for the game that’s driving me insane ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3269 "2011-08-25T23:11:17Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > So… > > a) You received someone else’s role, like PCM appears to have done, so you are not the power doubler > b) You were redirected from your target to NAF > c-f)4 other possibilites that haven’t occurred to me > g) one of you is lying > On preview: That actually isn’t terribly helpful, is it? yeah, not so much. The way my PM was presented made it appear that it was my power. Howeer, it was very clear that it as just a message that was delivered to me. My conclusion remains that it is my power, as I did target Scuba Ben and he did describe the effect of my power. it could be a clever ruse where Scuba knew I targeted him, described a power impact on him, and then had a message sent to me describing said power. It’s possible. And then, the person I targeted wouldn’t have gotten the power I think I have ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3270 "2011-08-25T23:11:41Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Is there a chance that I choose who receives my peek and someone else’s target is the target of the investigation? > > So like: > > Player A targets Player B > Player C targets Player D > > Player B gets insane peek of Player D? > [@Episkey](#): > > Meh, idk. That seems pretty complicated for a backwards peek Wait, no that does make sense. If you targeted Gnarly-\>Me I think we can work together ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3271 "2011-08-25T23:15:48Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Episkey** > > Night 1, visited **Silver Jan**. Jan was told that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is Scum > Night 2, visited **Askthepizzaguy**. Pizza was told that \*\*Episkey \*\*is Scum, and was told that \*\*NAF1138 \*\*is Scum. > > Assuming that Episkey is a Paranoid/Insane Cop, I see no reason why he it’s more likely that he is responsible for the Episkey result than for the NAF1138 result. In my opinion, there is exactly a 50/50 chance given the information we have currently. > > Again, assuming he is a Cop, should we be looking for some mechanism (another player’s power, perhaps) that governs _whose alignment_ Episkey sends to his target? Or are we assuming it’s random? > > I dislike randomness in Mafia (once the game is afoot). I see the possibuilities (however repmote) as 1. Episki selects a target A and that target is told that a random Target B has a random alignment 2. Episki selects a target A and that target is told that a random Target B has a scum alignment 3. Episki Selects 2 targets, Target A is told Taget B random alignment 4. Episki selects 2 targets and target A is told target B is scum. Clearly option 4 would make Episki scum option 12 and 3 are just very unhelpful to town. Option one seams unlikly as a game mechanic. if the target A was scum and the random traget B was scum and the random result was town, that would be telling one scum another scum was town. Did episki ever pass comment on selecting two targets, or question anyone about two target selection. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3272 "2011-08-25T23:17:12Z")
I have not had to make two selections for targets ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3273 "2011-08-25T23:17:33Z")
It appears my spelling just sucks, without the aid of wine. Must use preview ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3274 "2011-08-25T23:18:59Z")
I also don’t believe the investigation is of a random target. I think we just haven’t figured out the connection yet ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3275 "2011-08-25T23:42:05Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Can you restate that second sentence? I don’t know what you are trying to say there. I failed to submit a Night Action on night 2. My action was randomized to a player who plays regularly on the idlemafia site. Additionally, that person was not NAF. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3276 "2011-08-25T23:46:53Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I most certainly did not target you last Night. Well that’s an interesting twist. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3277 "2011-08-25T23:50:56Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Well that’s an interesting twist. Yes, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that my power did not impact you, I suppose. Though redirection seems unlikely with only 1 target, that’s effectively what happened with peeker. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3278 "2011-08-26T00:12:13Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > @ **Idle Thoughts** : IIRC, in SS Incorrigible the game setup explicitly said four Scum. It was essential to the vote mechanic. That’s right, I forgot about that. Still, that was very specific to the type of game it was. > [@sangaman](#): > > If Brewha and Idle are wolves, it is just too easy for Idle to bus Brewha here. If we lynch Brewha and he flips wolf, the wolves have succeeded in making us waste a lynch AND they also get an easy opportunity to look like townies in the process. Since I think both you AND **Brewha** are the top two most suspicious players in the game right now, it really doesn’t surprise me that you seem to be trying to save/defend him AND make a nice little smudge of me, just in case I’m right, at the same time. Getting desperate are ya? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3279 "2011-08-26T00:27:24Z")
Good grief, you’d think I could read faster than yall could type. Maybe if I quit having to stop and get a beer, I could get caught up faster. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I don’t remember any repeat of the type of message Weedy reported yesterday about TexCat (alignment and role); have I missed it or is it really missing? I certainly didn’t see one and I’ve been watching for it. On **Episkey** , can anyone confirm that my quick read is correct: N1 Episkey targeted Gnarly and results went to SilverJan N2 Episkey targeted Pizza and Pizza received results on Episkey. This makes no sense at all. What do your think your role would say? I think either you have a role where you target someone and information about that someone goes somewhere, or you have a role where you target someone and they get information. But your target can’t be the subject of the information one night and the receiver of the information another night. > [@bufftabby](#): > > I am wondering if the difference in verbiage as to feeling protected or warm or whathaveyou might just be “cosmetic”, if you will. **ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!** I am convinced that the color regarding the protection roles was designed to help the protection roles figure out who they are. The warm glow giver is one protection role, the feels safe is another protection giver. Was there another one that felt healthy or some such? I don’t know if there is a similar clue in the investigative results. I am not a Doc and have never played one on TV, but if I were I know I’d like to see a repeat of the players who received some sort of good feeling at night and specifically if they felt glow, safe, healthy, etc. It will help our docs sort themselves out. I also urge everyone who has received an investigative result to look to see if there is not some tell in the color of the message. I am going to start the ball rolling my volunteering once again my partner’s N1 results: Gnarly felt safe on N1 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3280 "2011-08-26T00:28:33Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > My action was randomized to a player who plays regularly on the idlemafia site. I really don’t like this sentence, as it gives a different amount of information to different players. Those who do play regularly on Idle’s board can narrow down the list of possible targets fairly well, but those who have never played on Idle have no idea who those people are. Either name your target or don’t. Don’t drop hints that only a select class of players can decipher. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3281 "2011-08-26T00:33:11Z")
Tex, I targeted Jan and she got gnarly night 1. I targeted Pizza and he got me n2. Seriously, if someone targeted exactly Gnarly then me nights 1 and 2 I think it’s a good idea to say so. It’d confirm my earlier guess, and frankly I’m at a loss to what else it can possibly be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=163) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=165)