# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 165
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3282 "2011-08-26T00:33:29Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I really don’t like this sentence, as it gives a different amount of information to different players. Those who do play regularly on Idle’s board can narrow down the list of possible targets fairly well, but those who have never played on Idle have no idea who those people are. > > Either name your target or don’t. Don’t drop hints that only a select class of players can decipher. My point was to show that I know who I targeted without forcing them to out themselves. (A Townie with 2 targets might be a juicy target for a Scum roleblocker). So I chose a way to identify the person as part of a not too small, but not too large subset. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3283 "2011-08-26T00:34:21Z")
Although I think sangaman is quite suspicious (for the slip for his style for Meeko’s vote on Krayz) could people please stop voting him for now. We have lots of time left to look at other people and still come back to him. **vote Astral Rejection** Voting for gnarly and Episkey because of the messages is poor logic, given how unreliable they have proven to be. Your case on Episkey was extremely thin, and really doesn’t justify your vote on him. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3284 "2011-08-26T00:38:42Z")
> [@](#): > > **Originally Posted by Normal Phase** > I don’t remember any repeat of the type of message Weedy reported yesterday about TexCat (alignment and role); have I missed it or is it really missing? Ed got his role (and alignment, Ed?) and PCM got someone’s role and alignment, but with the wrong name. ---
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3285 "2011-08-26T00:43:11Z")
Sorry for me being UTR. I keep forgetting to catch up with this game, and when i do remember I’m always distracted ☹ I got a message last night that dancecat was town, though that is now completely worthless given she’s dead, she must have targetted me with her night action, which would make sense given that we’ve played together a lot > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > The issue here is that this plan completely locks all of the cops down on the same 3 targets over and over again, for possibly no gain. Let’s say cop X gets three villager reads. Is he correct? Is he naive? Is someone else messing with his reads? Is he not even a cop at all, since someone else has been getting his reads? How can he tell? > > All that, for just 3 wasted night actions. > > A lynch is currently the only way to earn absolute information that benefits the entire town, and in a game like this we absolutely need hard information. I want to get to the bottom of these claims, and I don’t see any value in delaying. Agreed insane/paranoid cops will eventually find out what they are depending on their investigations dying, there is no need to investigate the same people over and over. > [@brewha](#): > > I hadn’t considered it - but that is a very valid point. With the ability to freely talk to each other about who they target and report the results, the scum might be inclined to self target or target within their ranks to determine their powers. Sure it’s risky, but if all the scum did it and only one died from it - the remaining scum probably already know what their powers are. And, apparently it wasn’t that risky since Malahoth was killed and poisoned. > > I don’t like the idea of a townie poisoner. > > I don’t like being poisoned - since I know I’m town. > > I don’t like his Mr. Bossypants routine. > > I don’t like how he’s patting himself on the back for his “superior” theories and refusing to entertain anyone else’s. > > We know Peeker was town and he found him scummy. > > And I’m pretty sure any male who says Tee Hee twice in one post is scum! (ok not really this one) > I refrained from voting earlier because with his constant outbursts toward me, it would look too much OMGUS. > Vote AskThePizzaGuy It would be wrong in my opinion for any wolf to target another wolf to find out their powers, as they will usually have a killing role and a wolf vigging themselves is just lol bad. I have no idea why you’re voting pizzaguy, he’s probably my biggest town read, only because he seems to genuinely be trying to work this game out, even if I don’t agree with him. i don’t know him so he could be able to fake this, but since I don’t, he’s probably town. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3286 "2011-08-26T00:44:05Z")
And where is **Pizza** when you need him? Since he, allegedly, has received 2 investigative results, I really want to ask him if the wording was identical on the two. ---
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3287 "2011-08-26T00:44:49Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Although I think sangaman is quite suspicious > > (for the slip > for his style > for Meeko’s vote on Krayz) > could people please stop voting him for now. We have lots of time left to look at other people and still come back to him. > > **vote Astral Rejection** > Voting for gnarly and Episkey because of the messages is poor logic, given how unreliable they have proven to be. Your case on Episkey was extremely thin, and really doesn’t justify your vote on him. I don’t get this post. You think sanga is scummy, but then you urge people to not vote him? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3288 "2011-08-26T00:46:28Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Ed got his role (and alignment, Ed?) and PCM got someone’s role and alignment, but with the wrong name. Well, I got a complete role PM. Worded much like the ones showing up in the death reveals. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3289 "2011-08-26T00:46:31Z")
> [@DonkTimesFour](#): > > I have no idea why you’re voting pizzaguy, he’s probably my biggest town read, only because he seems to genuinely be trying to work this game out, even if I don’t agree with him. i don’t know him so he could be able to fake this, but since I don’t, he’s probably town. This is only our second game with him, but I totally think that he could fake it. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3290 "2011-08-26T00:54:22Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Episkey** > > Night 1, visited **Silver Jan**. Jan was told that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is Scum > Night 2, visited **Askthepizzaguy**. Pizza was told that \*\*Episkey \*\*is Scum, and was told that \*\*NAF1138 \*\*is Scum. > > Assuming that Episkey is a Paranoid/Insane Cop, I see no reason why he it’s more likely that he is responsible for the Episkey result than for the NAF1138 result. In my opinion, there is exactly a 50/50 chance given the information we have currently. > [@Episkey](#): > > Tex, I targeted Jan and she got gnarly night 1. I targeted Pizza and he got me n2. I disagree with **Episkey** ’s implied conclusion. I think it makes more sense that Episkey’s action on \*\*PizzaGuy \*\*gave PizzaGuy the message about **NAF**. > [@TexCat](#): > > I am convinced that the color regarding the protection roles was designed to help the protection roles figure out who they are. The warm glow giver is one protection role, the feels safe is another protection giver. Was there another one that felt healthy or some such? I recall that, and I believe I suggested that could have been the Apothecary. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3291 "2011-08-26T01:01:47Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I recall that, and I believe I suggested that could have been the Apothecary. And I thought that made sense at the time, but I am sure now that the color of the protection roles is different for each role. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3292 "2011-08-26T01:07:43Z")
> [@DonkTimesFour](#): > > I don’t get this post. > > You think sanga is scummy, but then you urge people to not vote him? When people have a vote they think is on scum they often stop looking for the day. Sure, lynch sangaman, but we don’t need to do it yet. His is basically the only case being made today. There is a lot of talk in the thread about roles and claims, but much less about who is scum. Town want to work out their roles as well, but these kind of conversations give scum a) a lot of info, and b) a way to be involved, and look active without having to make cases. Episkey has claimed cop now. Good that he knows, I guess, and hopefully the docs know their powers as well (seems like there’s good chance they do), but there’s only a couple of them, and they will need to coordinate to keep him alive, and then there are the masons to protect as well. I want people to talk about something else besides sangamaan is scum and who the cops might be. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3293 "2011-08-26T01:08:23Z")
NETA: I am not sure that the color has anything to do with the role. The apothecary role may give a warm glow or maybe makes you feel healthy. But I am sure that if you think you might be a doc because you made someone have a warm glow N1, and someone feel safe on N2, then you are not a doc. Your targets will all have the same feeling each night. Your targets (or the redirected results of your targets). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3294 "2011-08-26T01:23:39Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Next up: Mr Special Ed! I want to see what NAF is going on about. Sorry Pizza, you’ll have to wait. But I voted brewha yesterday if that makes you feel any better. What’s possibly bothering NAF, and what should turn up is that I’m not really making any cases. I’m struggling to follow up. I missed out on most of the Cop ‘debacle’ yesterDay. ToDay, I’ve only really commented on things pertaining to myself. That isn’t to say I’m not following along with everything else. However, I’m not following as closely as I should be. I’m still forming a few opinions and thoughts. Maybe at some point ehy will solidify. There are just so many people in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3295 "2011-08-26T01:39:24Z")
Just occurred to me that Episkey could have constructed a fake cop claim here to deflect the message ATPG got. He can’t be counterclaimed when we don’t know the setup, and the last game had several cops. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3296 "2011-08-26T02:11:02Z")
hey guys, spent the day working and playing a POG Game, been skimming a few posts when I have the chance. I have had two night actions, both with no result, however, my one last night was re-directed. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3297 "2011-08-26T02:16:52Z")
@Weedy: I suppose it’s plausible that thats the case, but it isn’t. As I said when I announced my opinion of what’s occurring, please look at my body of work this game rather than a message that - from your perspective - could just as easily be fake as real as evident by one role already revealed which provided false messages. I understand that nobody else has the information of my role that I do and so it’s up in the air to them, but this message is false. I believe it’ll become evident the longer this game goes on. On another note: I’ve realized it might not even be someone that’s targeted exactly Gnarly -\> Me the first two nights that is the one who chooses who my targets get an investigation from. There could have been a randomization occurring last night onto whoever it is. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3298 "2011-08-26T03:15:37Z")
> [@DonkTimesFour](#): > > I have no idea why you’re voting pizzaguy, he’s probably my biggest town read, only because he seems to genuinely be trying to work this game out, even if I don’t agree with him. i don’t know him so he could be able to fake this, but since I don’t, he’s probably town. Seriously? You think he’s the most pro-town? He’s been throwing out theories with little substantiation and demanding DEMANDING that people follow his theories. How many times has he DEMANDED that people take his poll? How many times has he DEMANDED that everyone vote for me? Especially based on his ill conceived reasoning. Does he really think that his asinine habit of replying to a confrontational post line by line gives him more town cred? To me it looks overly defensive. He is a prolific poster and takes up bandwidth. If that makes him a pro-town read, than you are easily manipulated. Was it the memes? Are you afraid he’ll “be disappoint” with you? If I want lolcats, I’ll go to failblog. But, lolcats aint gonna help the town win this game. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3299 "2011-08-26T03:20:45Z")
I am currently voting Astral Rejection for voting you, so it wasn’t an accusation. Just a possibility people should keep in mind. I have looked over your posts. You were poking at people on Day 1, had a decent enough vote on Silver Jan, didn’t say anything on Day2, when you were moving, but were the 5th vote on Blam, commented on NKills, and have been figuring out your role today. Not rock solid but looks Townie. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3300 "2011-08-26T03:24:42Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > This is a valid concern imo as well. The poisoner roles I’ve typically seen have been scum, with a town healer. I didn’t play the original mystery mash, but does anyone that did recall a town poisoner? Or has anyone on this board seen that? poisoner was town 89% sure in that game wolves probably can’t have vig + poisoner anyway and it would be stupid for wolves to target themselves n1 if they did also i agree with donk, pizza is basically lock villa ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3301 "2011-08-26T03:26:32Z")
Brewha has definitely fooled me before. But voting him now seems silly when he is poisoned. The only possible reason for voting brewha would be a scum looking to get town cred when brewha flips scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=164) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=166)