# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 166
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3302 "2011-08-26T03:27:39Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Seriously? You think he’s the most pro-town? He’s been throwing out theories with little substantiation and demanding DEMANDING that people follow his theories. > > How many times has he DEMANDED that people take his poll? > > How many times has he DEMANDED that everyone vote for me? Especially based on his ill conceived reasoning. > > Does he really think that his asinine habit of replying to a confrontational post line by line gives him more town cred? To me it looks overly defensive. > > He is a prolific poster and takes up bandwidth. If that makes him a pro-town read, than you are easily manipulated. Was it the memes? Are you afraid he’ll “be disappoint” with you? > > If I want lolcats, I’ll go to failblog. > > But, lolcats aint gonna help the town win this game. biggest town read and pro-town aren’t the same thing his attempts to be pro-town seem genuine combined with the other things makes him virtually lock villager ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3303 "2011-08-26T03:29:24Z")
NETA: And I am not so sure that Brewha is going to flip scum. So I really can’t imagine what anyone is doing on that wagon. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3304 "2011-08-26T03:32:35Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > his attempts to be pro-town seem genuine combined with the other things makes him virtually lock villager And I’ll repeat again that this is the 2nd game that I’ve played with Pizza, but I have no doubt that he could do all of this as scum. I’d give him a null-tell so far. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3305 "2011-08-26T03:32:42Z")
Here is my wagon analysis from day 2. I took the end of day vote chart and broke it down into a few key moments: As of 2nd vote on Blaster Master (Septimus [1808]) the wagons were as follows: **GnarlyCharlie (7):** Lilflower [1720] Idle Thoughts [1723] Brewha [1732] Silver Jan [1735] NAF [1737] Drain Bead [1738] Giraffe [1768] **Scuba Ben (3):** Suburban Plankton [1449] Weedy [1452] Scathach [1499] **Blaster Master (2):** Donktimesfour [1135] Septimus [1808] **Silver Jan (2):** Zeriel [1126] Blaster [1759] **Peeker (1):** Bufftabby [1646] **Weedy (1):** Askthepizzaguy [1590] **Giraffe (1):** Normal Phase [1157] **Donktimesfour (1):** Peeker [1663] **Episkey (1):** CrackedQuads [1552] \*\*TexCat (1): \*\* Dancecat [1787] As of the 5h vote on Blaster (Me, Episkey [2295]) the wagons were as follow (this is prior to the Inner Wagon gaining steam): **Scuba Ben (6)** Suburban Plankton [1449] Idle Thoughts [1904] Scathach [1895] Lilflower [2222] Blaster Master [2238] Gnarly [2245] **Blaster Master (5):** DonkTimesFour [1135] septimus [1808] Dancecat [2258] Normal Phase [2272] Episkey [2295] **Silver Jan (5):** Zeriel [1126] Weedy [1812] Brewha [2159] Drain Bead [1936] Scuba [2235] **GnarlyCharlie (3):** Astral Rejection [1971] Inner Stickler [2111] PCBM [2123] **Inner Stickler (2):** TexCat [2204], NAF1138 [2249] Giraffe (2) Peeker [1927] Silver Jan [2282] **Peeker (2):** Bufftabby [1646] Giraffe [2246] **PCBM (1)** CrackedQuads [2143] **Dancecat (1)** AskThePizzaGuy [1969] Here comes the formation of the Stickler wagon. I’m going to take this one at a time (in order) and focus entirely on votes involving these two wagons: **Drain Bead** : From Silver Jan → Blaster **Idle Thoughts** : From Scuba Ben → Blaster **NAF** : From Inner → Blaster **Scuba** : From Silver Jan → Inner **Light Foot** : From No Vote → Inner **Gnarly** : From Scuba → Inner **Scathach** : From Scuba → Inner **Silver Jan** : From Special Ed → Inner **Brewha** : From Silver Jan → Inner **Lilflower** : From Scuba → Inner **Lilflower** : From Inner → Scuba **Pwnsall** : From PCBM → Blaster **Peeker** : From Giraffe → Blaster **Blaster** : From Scuba → Inner What I take from this: I want to temp clear DonkTimesFour and Septimus for their extremely early Blaster votes and for never wavering on it during the chaotic end of day. I also want to temp clear Normal Phase for being the 4th vote on Blaster and also never wavering. By “Temp Clear” I mean I will not be inclined to vote them for the foreseeable future. The things I temp clear are the ones I believe to be most Town like behavior. As the game progresses and we learn more info, I’ll have to re-evaluate. But for now these guys should be off limits. **Person that went from Gnarly → Scuba → Inner is likely to be trying to fit onto any non-blaster wagon they can find: Lilflower (Though vote moved off wagon before eod to another non blaster wagon)** If there was bussing occurring my best bet would be\*\* NAF\*\*, considering the vote prior to his made it 7-2 Blaster, and his vote made it 8-1. Also to note: He was initially on Blaster and moved to Inner before switching back. Perhaps a “lets try to save you” -\> “nvm it’s 7-2 not happening, sorry” -\> “Sigh, now I can’t switch back it’ll look atrocious”. I want to temp clear **Pwnsall** for his late vote of blaster I also want to take a hard look at\*\* Scathach\*\* for the Scuba → Inner vote ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3306 "2011-08-26T03:32:52Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Brewha has definitely fooled me before. But voting him now seems silly when he is poisoned. The only possible reason for voting brewha would be a scum looking to get town cred when brewha flips scum. Or, yanno, the fact that he was fairly late on the \*\*Inner Stickler \*\*train yesterDay, making him possible scum. Which, by the way, we started out looking at earlier toDay. I dunno, did those people mean “Oh, let’s look at everyone late on that train EXCEPT **Brewha**?” Makes no sense to me. I still find him (and **Scathach** to a degree) suspicious for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3307 "2011-08-26T03:33:11Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > poisoner was town 89% sure in that game > > wolves probably can’t have vig + poisoner anyway > > and it would be stupid for wolves to target themselves n1 if they did > > also i agree with donk, pizza is basically lock villa Maybe more of a lock as not Wolf? self-aligned isn’t out of the question. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3308 "2011-08-26T03:35:18Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > And I’ll repeat again that this is the 2nd game that I’ve played with Pizza, but I have no doubt that he could do all of this as scum. I’d give him a null-tell so far. that is a strange statement you must have learned a lot in that one game ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3309 "2011-08-26T03:35:47Z")
I think bussing among the native group is probably done more aggressively and more frequently. Leading a bus, starting on a teammate and staying there, and being a late swing vote are all things that occur here on a regular basis. We don’t give too much Town credit for those things. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3310 "2011-08-26T03:39:58Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I think bussing among the native group is probably done more aggressively and more frequently. > > Leading a bus, starting on a teammate and staying there, and being a late swing vote are all things that occur here on a regular basis. We don’t give too much Town credit for those things. lol, so why would any wolf ever do those things? ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3311 "2011-08-26T03:43:51Z")
oh yeah giraffe also soft cleared for being targeted by blaster n1 ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3312 "2011-08-26T03:46:21Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > lol, so why would any wolf ever do those things? Yeah, for real. The whole purpose of it is to get a heap of town cred, but if towns here don’t ever give cred I can’t fathom why bussing would be rampant. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3313 "2011-08-26T03:47:37Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > poisoner was town 89% sure in that game > > wolves probably can’t have vig + poisoner anyway > > and it would be stupid for wolves to target themselves n1 if they did > > also i agree with donk, pizza is basically lock villa ok cool, thats good info to have. With that info, I also agree with the last sentence. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3314 "2011-08-26T03:47:43Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > **Person that went from Gnarly → Scuba → Inner is likely to be trying to fit onto any non-blaster wagon they can find: > Lilflower (Though vote moved off wagon before eod to another non blaster wagon)** > > If there was bussing occurring my best bet would be\*\* NAF\*\*, considering the vote prior to his made it 7-2 Blaster, and his vote made it 8-1. Also to note: He was initially on Blaster and moved to Inner before switching back. Perhaps a “lets try to save you” -\> “nvm it’s 7-2 not happening, sorry” -\> “Sigh, now I can’t switch back it’ll look atrocious”. > > I want to temp clear **Pwnsall** for his late vote of blaster > I also want to take a hard look at\*\* Scathach\*\* for the Scuba → Inner vote I voted lilflower on Day one, and a lot of it had to do with her vote on me. I’d love someone with a little more perspective to take a look at her. And I think her reasoning for moving off the Inner wagon was wrong: it was because she didn’t want a tie and she didn’t like the Blaster wagon. Which doesn’t really make sense to me from either a townie or a wolfie perspective. NAF went mostly back and forth between Blaster and Inner. His votes looked solid to me. I don’t agree with the temp clear of Pwns. Couldn’t this late vote be throwing in the towel and bussing? ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3315 "2011-08-26T03:48:53Z")
also as far as 2p2ers go sanga wolfy ldo, none of the reasons given for slip has been particularly good cracked slight wolf lean donk/jim villa leans jd no lean mostly just based on tone ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3316 "2011-08-26T03:51:53Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I voted lilflower on Day one, and a lot of it had to do with her vote on me. I’d love someone with a little more perspective to take a look at her. And I think her reasoning for moving off the Inner wagon was wrong: it was because she didn’t want a tie and she didn’t like the Blaster wagon. Which doesn’t really make sense to me from either a townie or a wolfie perspective. > > NAF went mostly back and forth between Blaster and Inner. His votes looked solid to me. > > I don’t agree with the temp clear of Pwns. Couldn’t this late vote be throwing in the towel and bussing? of course it COULD be, hence soft clear assuming it’s anything but villagery is so lol tho, i don’t even get how people can think that ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3317 "2011-08-26T03:53:00Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > \ > I don’t agree with the temp clear of Pwns. Couldn’t this late vote be throwing in the towel and bussing? When pwns voted it was 8-7 Blaster by my calculation, making it 9-7. Scum had the chance to tie it up and I believe pwns would have taken it if he was scum. Again though, thats why I used “temp clear” rather than “lock clear”. At a later date we need to reevaluate with the new info, but temp clearing people allows us to POE the lynch for the next few days with a higher % of wolves in the pool than without the temp clears. At least thats my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3318 "2011-08-26T03:54:11Z")
also i think the amount of 2p2 deaths at night point towards more 2p2 wolves, assuming i’m remembering right a bit thin but something to consider ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3319 "2011-08-26T03:55:12Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > also as far as 2p2ers go > > sanga wolfy ldo, none of the reasons given for slip has been particularly good > > cracked slight wolf lean > > donk/jim villa leans > > jd no lean > > mostly just based on tone I agree with pretty much all of this, though I don’t want to put much stock in the “slip” and would rather look at his overall body of work. In a recent game on POG Dean basically said the same thing and was villa, it’s just we’re used to 25% I think. I still don’t understand what there is to be embarrassed about though. Should have just posted asap explaining our 25% rule of thumb. ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3320 "2011-08-26T03:57:00Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > also i think the amount of 2p2 deaths at night point towards more 2p2 wolves, assuming i’m remembering right > > a bit thin but something to consider Speaking of this, I actually mentioned it after night 1. Silman was killed at night, yet he wasn’t very active in the thread and didn’t say too much game related stuff, so I thought it pointed to a pretty POG heavy wolf team. I figured the SDMB people would have no reason to think Silman is Silman, while Poggers would just pretty much insta kill him when he’s a villager. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3321 "2011-08-26T03:58:02Z")
the bad explanation is as bad as the slip tho, i’ve made tons of mistakes before like that but i just say “here is exactly what happened and my thought process behind it” if you do it right and explain in detail it can even be clearing of you [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=165) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=167)