# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 169
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3362 "2011-08-26T05:30:40Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > @ **PizzaGuy** with respect to **brewha** ’s latest post: On N1 you didn’t know your power. You _could_ have been Scum and targeted a teammate just to see what happened. It was speculated (probably on D1) that Scum might do just that, so they could compare notes privately and figure out their powers. Why wouldn’t I target someone else first just to make sure I don’t have negative powers? I understand I have yet to make a good impression here, but I REALLY hope people don’t think I’m that bleepin stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3363 "2011-08-26T05:33:35Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > I’ve had a bit of time to read over the thread, and here are some of my thoughts: > > This quote is in reference to Idle Thoughts. I have stated why I think voting Brewha is a bad lynch today for strategic and game-theory reasons alone. I think it’s a waste of a lynch, and the town only gets a limited number of lynches before the wolves win. I definitely don’t think we should be giving Idle Thoughts townie points for wanting to vote Brewha despite the poison. Nah, my townie points on Idle existed before that. > [@](#): > > If Brewha and Idle are wolves, it is just too easy for Idle to bus Brewha here. If we lynch Brewha and he flips wolf, the wolves have succeeded in making us waste a lynch AND they also get an easy opportunity to look like townies in the process. It’s not a waste of a lynch if the apothecary goes against my wishes and saves his life, and he was a wolf. > [@](#): > > This quote is in response to a post from Astral Rejection claiming he had a bunch of notes on townie and scum reads (which presumably only a townie would bother taking). On 2p2 there was a thread where a player was modkilled for sharing screenshots of spreadsheets with all his reads throughout the game to prove he was a villager. The mod decided this was an angleshoot and killed him the next night. I kinda think the same thing should apply here. While you can definitely share your reads and ideas, sharing your notes just to prove that they exist and you’re a townie doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of WW. This is just a thought, it’s completely up to Gadarene and I’d be interested to say what he has to say about this. I shared my notes/thoughts. No screenshots, obviously. But I doubt Astral would share anyway. He’s shot down **all** my ideas so far. > [@](#): > > AskthePizzaGuy, I think your work is very good and impressive Well, that makes one of ya. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3364 "2011-08-26T05:34:38Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > We know Peeker was town and he found him scummy. LIE ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3365 "2011-08-26T05:36:31Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > A few other thoughts on the results: > > Night 0 > AskthePizzaGuy gets message that he was creeping around my bed I got no such message; I was simply informed that the person I replaced targeted you. I added the flavor of creeping around your bed, because obviously I was there but I didn’t kill you. Or poison you, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3366 "2011-08-26T05:38:19Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > And where is **Pizza** when you need him? Since he, allegedly, has received 2 investigative results, I really want to ask him if the wording was identical on the two. The wording was identical. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3367 "2011-08-26T05:39:44Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > This is only our second game with him, but I totally think that he could fake it. Yes I could. I am notorious for being lynched as townie because I look scummy, but surviving as mafia because I know exactly how to make sure there’s no possible case against me except random votes or night results with info. But I don’t need to fake it this time, you guys are totally hitting the right spot. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3368 "2011-08-26T05:39:48Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I think this is everything we know so far. I tried to link targets and results where I could (although I know we may not know enough to directly attribute one to the other just yet). Also, I just put some of my thoughts in here and in no way am I asking anyone to claim or reveal anything. I’m just thinking that this might help some of us figure out our roles (in our heads!). > > [Night Actions Here] So some conclusions I can make from this (very helpful post btw, lilflower): ATPG’s night ability, probably poison, was ineffective on n0. The next two people he targets get poisoned (and a vig happened to have the same target n1). I don’t see what ATPG would stand to gain from lying to us about this if he were a wolf, so he is probably telling the truth and probably a poisoner. That’s almost as good as a vig so we should try to protect him at night as long as no evidence surfaces that makes us believe he might be lying about his role. Scuba Ben may be a protector, since his target on n1 felt safe. Ed, did you get a message about feeling safe on n2? Scuba Ben, did you get a message about feeling healthy or anything after Ed targeted you on n1? Episkey looks like he is some sort of crier. It would explain why ATPG got that message, but we’re still not sure about why he got the wolf message about NAF. > [@special\_ed](#): > > I think bussing among the native group is probably done more aggressively and more frequently. > > Leading a bus, starting on a teammate and staying there, and being a late swing vote are all things that occur here on a regular basis. We don’t give too much Town credit for those things. > [@pwnsall](#): > > lol, so why would any wolf ever do those things? I agree with pwnsall, that doesn’t seem to make sense. Why would wolves keep bussing each other if it gets their partners lynched but doesn’t clear themselves? Anyway if that’s really the case then it’s good that us “otherboarders” know that so we can look at voting records keeping in mind that the native group busses more often. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3369 "2011-08-26T05:41:12Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > but, lolcats aint gonna help the town win this game. how do you noe dat ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3370 "2011-08-26T05:46:51Z")
Also: I do not want protection at night. What I want is the town “WATCHER” role to WATCH me every night to see who targets me. On the night I am murdered, I want the names of everyone who targeted me. I want NO ONE targeting me except the watcher. Even if I get re-directed, I want to know who did that. If I get murdered, kill that person. That’s all. NO DOCTORS. Besides, I am not going to have a good suspect to kill every night. Dying for the town is one of my best moves here. If I bring down a scum too, that’s twice as good. PLEASE HONOR MY REQUEST. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3371 "2011-08-26T05:48:46Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Or, yanno, the fact that he was fairly late on the \*\*Inner Stickler \*\*train yesterDay, making him possible scum. Which, by the way, we started out looking at earlier toDay. > I dunno, did those people mean “Oh, let’s look at everyone late on that train EXCEPT **Brewha**?” Makes no sense to me. I still find him (and **Scathach** to a degree) suspicious for that reason. I wuv you. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3372 "2011-08-26T06:33:06Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I don’t see why a townie who made an honest mistake would have any reason to be embarrassed. > > We have no proof whatsoever that poisoning results in death. And in what world is lynching a wolf a waste? Oh yeah, in scum world! Who cares if \*\*Idle \*\*is busing \*\*brewha \*\*, if you think \*\*brewha \*\*is scum, you should vote for him. Are you not voting for \*\*brewha \*\*because you think he’s a wolf and we’ve wasted a lynch? Are you not voting for him because you think \*\*Idle \*\*is busing him? In both of these scenarios, \*\*brewha \*\*is a wolf so I don’t know why you wouldn’t vote for him. > > **vote sangaman** Re: The embarassment/frustration thing, you may not have been embarrassed if you were put in my situation, but I was. I realized that my failure to read the rules completely had, in one post, made at least half the thread want to lynch me. I did not notice my mistake until several hours after it had happened, and by then plenty of people had already seemed to make up their minds. I just couldn’t deal with addressing it at that moment so I put it off until later in the night. I feel like I’ve said all that I can about what happened and I don’t want to keep beating a dead horse, but I also don’t want to just give up on defending myself so I’ll answer more questions about it if I have to. In regards to your second paragraph, please allow me again to explain why I strongly think lynching brewha right now is a bad idea. First of all, I’ll admit that I’ve never played with poison for and I can’t be 100% sure players die from poison. In spite of that, I think it is extremely likely that someone who is poisoned will eventually die from it if they are not healed in this or any other WW game. Otherwise, it is a meaningless aspect of the game and the poisoners/healers serve no real purpose. Remember, Gad said that everyone here gets a night ability and that all our abilities do something. I strongly believe it would be bad game design to have poison be harmless and I don’t think that is how Gad set up this game. So from here on out I will assume that poison will eventually kill you. I will also assume that poison will kill you within 2 or 3 days tops (or else all poisonings that occur mid or late game would also be meaningless). Since we are still pretty early in the game, I think it is quite safe to assume that Brewha will always die from poison before the game can end unless he is healed. As I’ve said before, IF he is healed by a different player at night while the consensus is still that he’s a wolf, he can be lynched then. If we find out who targeted him on the night he was healed, we can do even better and identify the wolf healer and lynch him too. The only situation where this wouldn’t apply is if Brewha himself is a healer. I have said that I think a wolf healer role is unlikely (that’s the point I was trying to make when I assumed there 9 wolves to start the game), but it’s possible and if Brewha is healed it means there likely is one. Here is a somewhat simple example where killing the poisoned player who is a known wolf but will die of poison before the game ends is bad for the village (I am not saying brewha is a confirmed wolf, this is just an example). Suppose there are 3 seer-cleared villagers, 1 poisoned wolf, and 2 uncleared players, one of whom is a wolf. If the villagers lynch the known wolf first, the remaining wolf will kill a cleared villager and the next day there will be 2 clear villagers and 2 uncleared players, 1 of whom is a wolf. The uncleared players will vote for each other and the cleared villagers will have to pick one of them to lynch. If they pick wrong, the wolves reach parity and win the game. Now go back to 3 seer-cleared villagers, 1 poisoned wolf, and 2 uncleared players again. This time, the villagers decide to lynch one of the uncleared players, and the wolf dies at night from poison. If the village guessed right and lynched the last wolf, they win right away. If they lynched a villager, they will have 2 clear villagers and 1 uncleared player who by process of elimination must be the wolf. The clear villagers both vote for the wolf and the village wins. In this instance, the village turned the game into a lock by not lynching the known wolf. In the prior instance, the village “wasted” their first lynch by not resolving the uncleared players. Although they could be guaranteed to lynch a wolf on the first night, they give themselves the best chance to win the game by lynching one of the uncleared players instead. This is true even when they lynch a villager. If the above example is not clear, please let me know which part I need to explain in more detail. My argument not to lynch Brewha has nothing to do with my view on Brewha himself. Whether I think he is 100% wolf or 100% villager, I still think it is a mistake to lynch him while he’s poisoned when we can reasonably expect the poison to kill him on its own. I will also point out that, if both Brewha and I are wolves, I wouldn’t be doing myself any favors by defending Brewha here. Either he is lynched and flips wolf which makes me look bad, or he dies at night and flips wolf which also makes me look bad. I don’t expect to be given credit for defending him if he flips villager, and likewise I don’t think I deserve blame if he flips wolf. My argument is strictly based on game theory. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3373 "2011-08-26T06:40:24Z")
I just feel that the apothecary, due to literally nothing else to do, is going to cure brewha. Then, I’m just going to have to keep voting for him and poisoning him when that action becomes available to me. If he’s a wolf, then this is extremely counterproductive. If he’s townie, that’s a shame, but it will also be a shame if I have to keep focusing on him because he’s not lynched or dead, that renders me less effective as well. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3374 "2011-08-26T06:56:20Z")
Do you think the apothecary is going to heal brewha because they are bored and don’t have anything better to do? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3375 "2011-08-26T06:58:47Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Do you think the apothecary is going to heal brewha because they are bored and don’t have anything better to do? I have no idea. But if I were an apothecary and I had no one to heal besides brewha, I’d heal brewha just to make sure that’s what I can do, plus prove that’s what I was doing that night. I’d play in such a way as an apothecary that I’d disagree with right now as a poisoner, because the shoe would be on the other foot. However I have no idea what the apothecary’s alignment or intentions are. I just feel that, given the option to heal brewha, they will. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3376 "2011-08-26T07:01:35Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I just feel that the apothecary, due to literally nothing else to do, is going to cure brewha. > > Then, I’m just going to have to keep voting for him and poisoning him when that action becomes available to me. > > If he’s a wolf, then this is extremely counterproductive. If he’s townie, that’s a shame, but it will also be a shame if I have to keep focusing on him because he’s not lynched or dead, that renders me less effective as well. I don’t think a villager apothecary would be interested in healing a potential wolf just so that they have something to do. But if you disagree and are afraid the healer with cure brewha, here is what I propose. 1. Make a case for why brewha is probably a wolf. 2. Organize a group of players who agree that brewha is probably a wolf and needs to die. 3. Get those people to announce that if brewha is cured, he will be turbo-lynched the next day. 4. Furthermore, if brewha flips wolf and it is revealed who was responsible for curing him, that person will be turbo-lynched next. This should be disincentive enough to prevent any townie healers from targeting brewha. If a wolf healer is bold enough to try saving brewha anyway and gets caught, we might get two lynch two wolves for the price of one. If you find that to be too much work, I really don’t think a healer will risk themselves trying to heal Brewha tonight anyway considering how much heat he’s getting. And if he does get healed, the option to lynch is still on the table. Anyway, it’s stupid late on the east coast so I’m going to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3377 "2011-08-26T07:02:37Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > If you find that to be too much work Hi, my name is Askthepizzaguy. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3378 "2011-08-26T07:09:31Z")
Meant to post this earlier but I never hit submit. Gnight. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Since when has the mod EVER said how many scum there were, in game? I’ve never played in a game where this has happened. I’d think it would take away a lot of the game’s mystery and make it much easier. Even in open set ups, the mod never reveals how many scum there are. > Has that ever happened on the 2p2 forums? :dubious: No apologies necessary, this is a game and I realize I made a very bad slip (or goof, if you’d prefer). This is the first game of WW I’ve ever played where the OP did not state the number of wolves in the game. I’ve only known of games where the number of wolves is common info, except for maybe some of the more complex mish mashes. It’s fair to call this game a complex mish mash, but it’s the first one I’ve played. You say it’s weird to know how many wolves there are, but to me it seems weird not to know how many wolves there are. Here, we won’t know when we’ve won until Gad tells us or the wolves concede. I’m also used to having “must lynch” when the village is in a situation where it NEEDS to lynch a wolf that day or else it loses. Since we don’t know how many wolves there are, I guess we won’t know when we’re in a must lynch situation. > [@pwnsall](#): > > the bad explanation is as bad as the slip tho, i’ve made tons of mistakes before like that but i just say “here is exactly what happened and my thought process behind it” > > if you do it right and explain in detail it can even be clearing of you I tried my best to explain exactly what happened and what I was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![sangaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@sangaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangaman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3379 "2011-08-26T07:12:38Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Hi, my name is Askthepizzaguy. Lol, nice to meet you. I should’ve realized I was talking to the guy who’s written a novel between all his posts in this thread. Talk to you tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3380 "2011-08-26T08:16:51Z")
Highlights from Scathach’s posts: Talking about peeker being more restrained as a scum tell: > [@Scathach](#): > > Yeah, it’s actually a mild pity someone called him out on it, because that means he can now work to disguise a scum tell. > [@Scathach](#): > > Sorry, I meant it’s a pity he was called out on it because now he’s aware of it - so he can work to disguise it. I’m not really convinced he’s scum because he didn’t really have enough rope to hang himself (if that makes sense?). > > He is my best vote candidate so far - so if I don’t find anything else more scummy by tomorrow that’s where my vote will be. FOS peeker I guess 🙂 > [@Scathach](#): > > Because I don’t want to vote based on what\* someone else\* thinks is a scum tell - I haven’t played with **Peeker** before. It’s interesting that people think that his game is different to normal, but he only had a few posts before being called out for it and any subsequent posts are going to be based on the fact that he knows people are looking for changes in his posting style. This looks like smudging peeker to me. The first two posts make it sound like she knows peeker has this tell, but it turns out she’s never played with him. Helps to push the case against Peeker for no reason. > [@Scathach](#): > > I hate this whole reasoning. First, you throw in the whole “of course, I know I’m a townie” - then you say that it’s making you think that Krayz might be the seer? Despite admittedly realising it’s more likely he’s just scum and has perfect information? Or that he’s just doing this whole “fakepeek” thing. It casts an awful lot of aspersions while appearing to defend him. > > \*\*Vote Dancecat > \*\* > > Her Day 1 vote. I didn’t understand Dancecat’s whole argument here about Krayz being seer, so maybe Scathach didn’t either, seeing she says Dancecat is smudging him. > [@Scathach](#): > > No, I’m not sure he’s scum - I’m saying that by implying he must be either scum or the seer to know that you are oh-so-definitely a townie you’re making implications without anything to back them up. > > Wait, did you claim seer somewhere and I missed it? More reasoning against Dancecat. Backs off Dancecat after Idle reveals his message (I forgot to quote that post). > [@Scathach](#): > > Ok, after rereading the day’s events so far, this is the most convincing case I’ve seen. > > \*\*Vote Scuba\_Ben \*\* me too vote on Scuba\_Ben, the 5th vote on him > [@Scathach](#): > > Hmm, I think you’re mischaracterising the case against Scuba\_Ben here > > _Vote flipflops? I think that’s a Town-tell._ > It wasn’t just flip flopping. It was saying that he found a player townie, then voting for him 30 posts later for the same reason he had previously voted for him. > > - A defended B who accused C of smudging D?\* > I don’t know how you managed to get all the way up to D here. Peeker voted for Giraffe for an inconsistency. Scuba\_ben voted peeker, saying he didn’t find what Giraffe said inconsistent. (Even though it certainly seemed pretty inconsistent to me) > > \*There’s so many opportunities for innocent logic errors (or even Wifom double-crosses) in a chain like that, I think they can be ignored until we have more info. > \* > Wasn’t actualy much of a chain. > The whole post is based on being dismissive of the case against Scuba\_ben. Repeating the case on Scuba\_Ben > [@Scathach](#): > > Hmm - ok, I’m going to > > **unvote Scuba\_ben** > > and > **vote gnarlycharlie** > The mason claim has thrown me a bit, but I think if gnarlycharlie turns up wolf then Texcat looks scummy and SilverJan looks town. Whereas if we lynch SilverJan and she turns up wolf, then we can’t assume anything because she was probably lying. Plus, I’ve been finding her kind of towny, despite the fluff posting. > > I still find the case on Scuba\_ben convincing - but with all the roleclaiming going on, I think more information will result from a lynch of either SilverJan, gnarlycharlie or Texcat. Don’t like this vote to lynch a mason, but it was a disturbingly popular idea at one point yesterday. This was after I had posted to support Texcat, for context. She doesn’t let go of the case on Ben, which could be either scum or town. Gnarly has around 7-8 votes, Silver Jan has 4. > [@Scathach](#): > > I hadn’t come across an Insane Cop or a Paranoid Cop before - after a quick run over to MafiaWiki, I now have to reevaluate. > > Ok, so that means if SilverJan is a Paranoid Cop/Insane Cop then that would make SilverJan, gnarlycharlie and TexCat all town. (assuming the mason claim is true - but in this case then that can pretty much be assumed, as why would a town gnarlycharlie vouch for TexCat otherwise) > > If SilverJan is a cop, then gnarlycharlie is a wolf, TexCat is probably a wolf and SilverJan is town. > > If SilverJan is a wolf, then gnarlycharlie and TexCat are probably both town and masons. > > So, > > \*\*unvote gnarlycharlie > \*\* > > Only one of those scenario’s makes gnarlycharlie a wolf. And that scenario involves the wolves playing a really risky game. Occcam’s razor and all. unvotes gnarlycharlie 12 minutes later. > [@Scathach](#): > > Hopefully we’ll have a slew of new results which may at least help us find a pattern to some of the night actions. > > \*\*[ vote Scuba\_ben > \*\* 30 minutes and some discussion later > [@Scathach](#): > > I really don’t like lynching any of the people who claimed they got messages. I’d prefer to to wait til the next day and see if the same people claim to get messages or a different set of people > > With that in mind > **Unvote Scuba\_ben]** 14 hours and more discussion later. > [@Scathach](#): > > Hmm, of the lynch leaders, that only leaves Blaster Master to vote for. But I liked BlasterMaster’s case against Scuba\_Ben and voting for someone I don’t find scummy is just plain weird. > [@Scathach](#): > > I like the Blaster lynch better than I like lynching any of the message receivers / mason’s for the moment. > > But I prefer the case against Inner. > > \*\*vote Inner Stickler > \*\* > > Also still suspicious of Scuba\_Ben. Weird phrasing, why even mention Blaster? In summary, she did move her vote around a lot, but most of that was inside an hour or so while she was reading and discussing the mason claims. She was 5th on the Inner wagon when Blaster had 8 votes. Today she has voted for sangaman, discussed poisoners (she may be the apothecary), and explained her vote. > [@Scathach](#): > > I’m a she. > > To try and explain my reasoning for the BlaM/Inner vote craziness: > > I targeted DanceCat on night 1 - so when Idle said that they got a PM saying DanceCat was town, I was suspicious that I might be one oracle in the 5-way ring that AskThePizzaGuy was proposing (i.e. each seer’s results goes to a different person). Because I wasn’t sure if a result would go to the same person every night, I really REALLY didn’t want to lynch someone who had gotten a role PM. At least not that day anyway. > > BUT - my main suspicion all along was Scuba\_Ben, and it was BlaM who had pointed out what I thought was a suspect vote (the Krayz one), so I really didn’t think BlaM was scum. Given that, my best option seemed to be Inner because that was the only other wagon at the time. > > Now granted, I was completely wrong on every point, but there’s the reasoning. I was hoping to find something more definitely suspicious or the opposite, but I’m still up in the air. I don’t like the peeker smudge, but it’s not enough to vote for her and I am OK with her votes yesterday. ---
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Oops, posted a comment inside the quote tag. Should read > [@Scathach](#): > > I hate this whole reasoning. First, you throw in the whole “of course, I know I’m a townie” - then you say that it’s making you think that Krayz might be the seer? Despite admittedly realising it’s more likely he’s just scum and has perfect information? Or that he’s just doing this whole “fakepeek” thing. It casts an awful lot of aspersions while appearing to defend him. > > \*\*Vote Dancecat > \*\* Her Day 1 vote. I didn’t understand Dancecat’s whole argument here about Krayz being seer, so maybe Scathach didn’t either, seeing she says Dancecat is smudging him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=168) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=170)