# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/321 "2011-08-17T21:16:17Z")
I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone, almost. This Day ends tomorrow and yet there seems to be a bunch of side conversations, fluff-like posts, and talk of the good-ol’ days (other games) in the last 50 replies or so. We already know scum won’t want any actual, you know, strategy talk…so is it possible to not give them what they want? Bringing back up something I said earlier: What does everyone think about being honest with, at least, anything that happens TO them or any info/message they may get by way of Night actions taken on them (if noticeable)? The opposite, thereof, of saying who you’re going to be targeting. : p Also, **I know we’re not allowed to edit our own posts, but what about me “cleaning up” any tags that make posts more confusing to read (like Episkey’s above, [number 248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14149939&postcount=248)) since I’m able to do so (as a mod)**? ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/322 "2011-08-17T21:17:18Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > haha can’t win I suppose. How about it I take a picture with it and todays paper with the weather channel on in the background showing the date and time?! > > Real game talk: > Peeker being voted for NOT being antagonistic doesn’t make sense to me. Especially after just mentioning he gets mislynched for weird little things so much. I’d like to know more about Peeker from some of the SD people. Your image will be presented before a panel of shrewd and merciless photoshop judges to verify its authenticity. Then, and only then, will your rand be dubbed geniune. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/323 "2011-08-17T21:18:14Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Also, **I know we’re not allowed to edit our own posts, but what about me “cleaning up” any tags that make posts more confusing to read (like Episkey’s above, [number 248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14149939&postcount=248)) since I’m able to do so (as a mod)**? I appreciate the thought, but no. Episkey can repost a cleaned-up version if he wants. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/324 "2011-08-17T21:19:58Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone, almost. This Day ends tomorrow and yet there seems to be a bunch of side conversations, fluff-like posts, and talk of the good-ol’ days (other games) in the last 50 replies or so. > We already know scum won’t want any actual, you know, strategy talk…so is it possible to not give them what they want? > > Bringing back up something I said earlier: What does everyone think about being honest with, at least, anything that happens TO them or any info/message they may get by way of Night actions taken on them (if noticeable)? The opposite, thereof, of saying who you’re going to be targeting. : p > Also, **I know we’re not allowed to edit our own posts, but what about me “cleaning up” any tags that make posts more confusing to read (like Episkey’s above, [number 248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14149939&postcount=248)) since I’m able to do so (as a mod)**? I think that it’s ok (and possibly better than ok) to let people know if your role has been revealed to you. Last game, there was a role revealer, and whoever they targeted would learn their exact role. This would enable the role revealer to figure out who they were and start targeting people who they think are town. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/325 "2011-08-17T21:20:47Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > haha can’t win I suppose. How about it I take a picture with it and todays paper with the weather channel on in the background showing the date and time?! > > Real game talk: > Peeker being voted for NOT being antagonistic doesn’t make sense to me. Especially after just mentioning he gets mislynched for weird little things so much. I’d like to know more about Peeker from some of the SD people. i’m going to step right up and let you know that most of the folks here are extremely jealous of my ability when it comes to this endeavor. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/326 "2011-08-17T21:22:50Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > Yeah, from now on everytime I mod a game I’m gonna screenshot [random.org](http://random.org) etc to make sure nobody thinks that on me 🙂 no matter how many times you have to re-randomize to get it to say what you want, right? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/327 "2011-08-17T21:23:13Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone, almost. This Day ends tomorrow and yet there seems to be a bunch of side conversations, fluff-like posts, and talk of the good-ol’ days (other games) in the last 50 replies or so. > We already know scum won’t want any actual, you know, strategy talk…so is it possible to not give them what they want? > > Bringing back up something I said earlier: What does everyone think about being honest with, at least, anything that happens TO them or any info/message they may get by way of Night actions taken on them (if noticeable)? The opposite, thereof, of saying who you’re going to be targeting. : p ~~~snip~~ \*1 agreed \*2 my comment on that question earlier > [@LightFoot](#): > > In some cases this will benefit us. No one can know how many players targeted their target too so if the information ‘feels’ valuable I could make a case for that information to be shared. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/328 "2011-08-17T21:25:15Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > I think that it’s ok (and possibly better than ok) to let people know if your role has been revealed to you. Last game, there was a role revealer, and whoever they targeted would learn their exact role. This would enable the role revealer to figure out who they were and start targeting people who they think are town. I don’t see that as a good idea at this time. If a Town player 'knows what they can do" Scum/Wolves will simply kill them off instead of shooting at someone who has not gained control of their powers ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/329 "2011-08-17T21:26:59Z")
> [@Episkey](#): > > haha can’t win I suppose. How about it I take a picture with it and todays paper with the weather channel on in the background showing the date and time?! > > Real game talk: > Peeker being voted for NOT being antagonistic doesn’t make sense to me. Especially after just mentioning he gets mislynched for weird little things so much. I’d like to know more about Peeker from some of the SD people. Peeker’s usual style is to post excessively using a style that is difficult to understand. (others can corroborate this.) He uses strange analogies and made-up words. In one game, he was coherent and helpful. I led a push to lynch him. He was Scum. So, him not being antagonistic has been a successful Scum tell for him in the past. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/330 "2011-08-17T21:27:07Z")
Killing peeker is not always a good idea, but it kind of isn’t ever a bad idea either. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/331 "2011-08-17T21:27:47Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I don’t see that as a good idea at this time. If a Town player 'knows what they can do" Scum/Wolves will simply kill them off instead of shooting at someone who has not gained control of their powers I’m not suggesting that the targeted player reveal their actual role, but saying “my role was revealed to me last night” is probably ok. Just because they know what they can do, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily valuable or powerful. Obviously, the targeted player would have to exercise their best judgment in this situation and it would be entirely up to them. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/332 "2011-08-17T21:30:16Z")
LightFoot’s point is that even just knowing what you are makes you a more powerful player. Thus Scum would favor (and benefit) from killing players who know what they can do (i.e., optimize their power). ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/333 "2011-08-17T21:31:35Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > I’m not suggesting that the targeted player reveal their actual role, but saying “my role was revealed to me last night” is probably ok. Just because they know what they can do, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily valuable or powerful. Obviously, the targeted player would have to exercise their best judgment in this situation and it would be entirely up to them. Any Town player that knows what they can do is a larger threat to Scum that the shot in the dark roles. If 3 people targeted that player none of the 3 will know if they “did it” It can only help Scum the way I see it. (I will listen though) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/334 "2011-08-17T21:32:10Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I don’t see that as a good idea at this time. If a Town player 'knows what they can do" Scum/Wolves will simply kill them off instead of shooting at someone who has not gained control of their powers agreed. i don’t see how this would be helpful in the least. i mean folks won’t know that they were investigated or protected. and if you end up dead pretty much everyone will be able to deduce that somhow you got killed (except for **ed** and **giraffe** , apparantly). other scenarios also can be constructed for just about any imagineable role. i mean i guess a scum member could announce that the person they targeted for a NK is still alive so something went awry. now that would be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/335 "2011-08-17T21:33:31Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Killing peeker is not always a good idea, but it kind of isn’t ever a bad idea either. fuck you. 😃 is that antagonistic enough for you **ed**? ---
**Author:** ![Episkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Episkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Episkey)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/336 "2011-08-17T21:33:31Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > Your image will be presented before a panel of shrewd and merciless photoshop judges to verify its authenticity. Then, and only then, will your rand be dubbed geniune. > [@special\_ed](#): > > no matter how many times you have to re-randomize to get it to say what you want, right? Mods can’t ever win lol > [@peekercpa](#): > > i’m going to step right up and let you know that most of the folks here are extremely jealous of my ability when it comes to this endeavor. Good to know. Do you feel like you’re an easy mislynch? > [@Dancecat](#): > > I think that it’s ok (and possibly better than ok) to let people know if your role has been revealed to you. Last game, there was a role revealer, and whoever they targeted would learn their exact role. This would enable the role revealer to figure out who they were and start targeting people who they think are town. I don’t agree with this. We run the risk of scum just killing those of us who know their role, not only getting rid of us that can use their powers optimally, but also making one of our most powerful roles - the revealer - useless. > [@special\_ed](#): > > Peeker’s usual style is to post excessively using a style that is difficult to understand. (others can corroborate this.) He uses strange analogies and made-up words. In one game, he was coherent and helpful. I led a push to lynch him. He was Scum. > > So, him not being antagonistic has been a successful Scum tell for him in the past. This is good to know too. He tries so hard to be normal as scum that it’s abnormal for him. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/337 "2011-08-17T21:35:25Z")
I agree about peek. He has a horribly obvious tell (ed explained) once you know him. Vote peeker ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/338 "2011-08-17T21:37:09Z")
NOT defending But if we’re going to use Meta Isn’t it true that \*\* peeker \*\* hasn’t played in a while? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/339 "2011-08-17T21:38:37Z")
NETA I thought he was playing different from the legend before \*\*Ed \*\* said something but then I though “maybe it’s because he hasn’t been ingame for a while?” I remember reading a lament that he was jonesin’ for a game? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/340 "2011-08-17T21:39:08Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I don’t see that as a good idea at this time. If a Town player 'knows what they can do" Scum/Wolves will simply kill them off instead of shooting at someone who has not gained control of their powers I think I agree with this view of it, as much as it would/will suck if a player with that power hits any scum unknowing. It’s the only power I’ve yet heard or thought of where it is clearly and always worse to target a scum than a townie. One thought – if a player who gets hit by this _doesn’t mind_ being a target (low-value role, bulletproof, etc (or even wants to pose as such)) then they could consider the situation on those grounds. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=18)