# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 170
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3382 "2011-08-26T08:42:15Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > hmmm, idle claimed jan was a roleblocker, did she ever respond to this? Yes I did and I said that if I was a roleblocker then surely I would have got a result from my night action. ---
**Author:** ![DuckburgDK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DuckburgDK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DuckburgDK)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3383 "2011-08-26T11:23:31Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > Gad I’m pretty happy you made peeker a lightning rod actually. Given how much he posted and how much attention he needed, it’s a fitting role. Posts like this is interfering with the thread. I’m considering it angleshooting. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Like most times we have a slip, the explanation is more interesting than the slip itself. > > First, **sanga** mentions that he was “embarrassed” so he didn’t post a response immediately upon seeing that he’d been called on it. As others have rightly pointed out, he could also have been waiting for the Scum to help him craft a response. I know if I were Town in that situation, I wouldn’t have waited–I’d want to try my damnedest to avoid a mislynch. I would have posted my explanation, no matter how shitty, and likely posted everything I know about my role and Night targets too, so just in case I was still mislynched, I would have given the Town all the info I had. > > Second, the explanation itself is not at all what I expected it to be. IIRC, during the time that post occurred, many people had been discussing the prior game that this one is based on. I didn’t read that game, but I thought I’d seen someone mention that there were 9 Scum in it. I was expecting him to say something about conflating the two games. Of course, if I’m mistaken about my underlying assumption about the previous game, that explanation goes out the window. This one is a WIFOM situation. Are we to expect that this is the best explanation that seven people could come up with, given time to craft it? Or have they just figured he’s a lost cause, and told him not to put up a fight so that they could get cred for bussing him? I expect at least a couple of the early voters for him to be Scum; even more so if he turns out to be Scum himself. > > **unvote Scathach > vote sangaman** > > In the end, the explanation is too weak, and the related aspects of what I would expect from a Townie defense are not present. I also lend some credence to the thoeory that he shouldn’t have referred to it as a slip in his own words, but I don’t find that quite as damning as others do–sometimes you just use the same word that other people are using. This guy is a villager for this post. I’ll go look at his other posts later. > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > **Silver Jan** received a message that i was a wolf. **TexCat** and i claimed mason. **Weedy** received a message that **TexCat** is a villager and a mason. there were other revelations but those are the ones pertinent to me. So that leaves Silver as a scum or at least as a receiver of false information. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Can you just clarify please: > > Did you receive no results from your actions, or did you receive results saying in effect “There was no apparent result from your action”? > > The latter implies that your action was successful but produced no visible result, while the former gives no information at all. Good observation. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Also: I do not want protection at night. > > What I want is the town “WATCHER” role to WATCH me every night to see who targets me. > > On the night I am murdered, I want the names of everyone who targeted me. > > I want NO ONE targeting me except the watcher. Even if I get re-directed, I want to know who did that. If I get murdered, kill that person. > > That’s all. > > NO DOCTORS. > > Besides, I am not going to have a good suspect to kill every night. Dying for the town is one of my best moves here. If I bring down a scum too, that’s twice as good. > > PLEASE HONOR MY REQUEST. I don’t get this? can you explain the deeper thoughts behind it? And how will the watcher now if he’s a watcher, if he has been targeting people who haven’t had NA targeted at them? > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Yes I did and I said that if I was a roleblocker then surely I would have got a result from my night action. oh… ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3384 "2011-08-26T11:32:57Z")
ok question: who is episkey? never voting lilflower, in fact, if I was lying about my actions giving me a no result, I would tell you I seer peeked her Town. In other words, if I die and am revealed as a seer, remember my peek. pwnsall seems to be doing good work, he is also probably a Townie, say 75%. ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3385 "2011-08-26T11:35:58Z")
Hi duck! I am certainly interested in askthepizzaguy’s role, very active, most likely Town, but obviously dont get some of his points. for instance, if the wolves kill him at night, they certainly arent going to come out the next day and say "HEY, I targetted him and now he is dead! " lol ---
**Author:** ![DuckburgDK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DuckburgDK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DuckburgDK)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3386 "2011-08-26T11:45:33Z")
Hey JD I understand your interest for pizzaguy - cause I find that statement pretty weid. not as weird as sangamans - but still pretty weird. No I believe that he wants the town watcher to target him every night - hereby not gaining any other information. It’s a bold move to do as scum - do you think he could do it? ---
**Author:** ![J.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@J.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.D)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3387 "2011-08-26T12:01:08Z")
Well people here have said he is good, but I have no feel for how people from this board play in general. Pretty ballsy, no doubt, but it only locks the watcher up for one night right? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3388 "2011-08-26T12:01:33Z")
> [@DuckburgDK](#): > > This guy is a villager for this post. > I’ll go look at his other posts later. Well, you’re half right. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3389 "2011-08-26T12:14:35Z")
ATPG is not from this board. I think Episkey is JimHalpert. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3390 "2011-08-26T12:37:36Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > [QUOTE=TexCat] > > And I’ll repeat again that this is the 2nd game that I’ve played with Pizza, but I have no doubt that he could do all of this as scum. I’d give him a null-tell so far. that is a strange statement you must have learned a lot in that one game [/QUOTE] You can love him or hate him, but Pizza is certainly a smart Mafia player. His [self-posted death notice (tired of waiting for Moderator)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14076194&postcount=1213) is a classic. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3391 "2011-08-26T12:40:09Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > So some conclusions I can make from this (very helpful post btw, lilflower): > > ATPG’s night ability, probably poison, was ineffective on n0. The next two people he targets get poisoned (and a vig happened to have the same target n1). I don’t see what ATPG would stand to gain from lying to us about this if he were a wolf, so he is probably telling the truth and probably a poisoner. That’s almost as good as a vig so we should try to protect him at night as long as no evidence surfaces that makes us believe he might be lying about his role. > > Scuba Ben may be a protector, since his target on n1 felt safe. Ed, did you get a message about feeling safe on n2? > > Scuba Ben, did you get a message about feeling healthy or anything after Ed targeted you on n1? > > Episkey looks like he is some sort of crier. It would explain why ATPG got that message, but we’re still not sure about why he got the wolf message about NAF. > > I agree with pwnsall, that doesn’t seem to make sense. Why would wolves keep bussing each other if it gets their partners lynched but doesn’t clear themselves? Anyway if that’s really the case then it’s good that us “otherboarders” know that so we can look at voting records keeping in mind that the native group busses more often. Wolves probably wouldn’t ‘keep bussing each other’ But a Wolf might get on a bandwagon of a teammate early. And then either stay or fail to find a way off. With the native group here, throwing an early vote on a Wolfbuddy is pretty common. One drawback is that if that buddy gets more heat, you can’t really get off the bandwagon without garnering some suspicion. So a wolf’s option is to remain on the wagon in an attempt to earn some Townie Cred. Basically, an early vote for a Wolfbuddy is given because: 1. The Wolves will hope that the target doesn’t get lynched or killed early and the vote is just a one-off as we call it. 2. However, when the target is dead (and this usually happens), the voter can point to his solid voting record as proof of Villageness. 3. Also, in the event that the voter gets killed or lynched, the target can point and say “Look a wolf was voting for me!” We call such actions distancing. It’s really not so rare. I think bussing might be much more common around these parts than you are used to. While it does reduce the number of Wolves, one bus, or even two is going to help a teammate or two make it to EndGame, which is the goal of the Wolves, isn’t it? I suppose it developed because alanses like these used to be common, and so Wolves found a good hiding place. I think, especially in the case of Blaster Master, bussing was a valid option. I’ll detail my line of thinking: 1. Blaster was unaware of his power (most likely) 2. Blaster knew that someone had gotten a false peek at him. 3. Blaster also knew that eventually that person would flip and probably either be revealed as a paranoid (best case for Wolves) or insane (worst case for Wolves) Cop 4. Therefore, Blaster potentially had a limited life span anyway. Therefore, I will not clear any of the voters for Blaster. Even the early ones. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3392 "2011-08-26T12:46:15Z")
Sorry if it seems I’m not participating. I am spending many hours reading the thread, but scum-hunting can wait a little as we have a few good candidates already. The consensus to Lynch Sangaman seems OK to me – I agree that the explanation was scummier than the slip itself. I’ve as yet been unable to discern anything about my Power. I’d be happy to reveal my targets on the off-chance it would be useful information later on. I’d like to hear from others as to whether revealing would be a good or bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3393 "2011-08-26T12:48:15Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > lol, so why would any wolf ever do those things? I guess it’s a cultural difference. We have a phrase here “Scum wouldn’t do that.” It’s a common defense used by a player. “Look at the things I’ve done, why would a Scum ever do that?” And that’s exactly why a Scum would do that. To have a defense pater in the game, when it really matters. Even if the Scum win, most of them are likely to die at some point. it’s best if they leave some Townie Cred for their teammates as they do. Now, that’s not to say that Scum definitely did that, because it’s certainly more likely that a Town player would act that way, but it’s just not out of the question (or even out of the ordinary here) for a Scum to do that as well. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3394 "2011-08-26T12:59:44Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > > [@brewha](#): > > > > We know Peeker was town and he found him scummy. > > LIE You’re full of shit again there PizzaGuy. Do you think that bigger words make them more true? I’m not going through all of Peeker’s 300+ posts, but here’s a sampling. > [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > this is mas dangerous you are going to follow someone else’s lead. crud even as masons and scum we typically do our own thing. second i am becoming more and more concerned that **pizza** is not town. so this one puts your alignment which was already suspect even more in question. plus i think your judgement might be a tad faulty as well. > [@peekercpa](#): > > ok here is where i stand. **giraffe** is scum because of the waffle and the subsequent OMGYS. > > farcking **ben** is scum because of the perch waddle yesterDay. > > **pizza** needs to be eliminated. i mean sheesh claiming that he is vig and letting it hang is all sorts or wrong. if he is telling the truth he must be eliminated. if he is lying then he must be eliminated (shoot that sounds all freudian and stuff). > > of these three i think **pizza** is the way to go. but i will take **jan** ’s advice and for the more likely percentage play. > [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > this. > > if he is telling the truth and scum have a redirctor he must die. if he is lying then he must die. > > **unovte all** > > **vote pizza** ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3395 "2011-08-26T13:15:00Z")
> [@sangaman](#): > > I don’t think a villager apothecary would be interested in healing a potential wolf just so that they have something to do. But if you disagree and are afraid the healer with cure brewha, here is what I propose. > > 1. Make a case for why brewha is probably a wolf. > > 2. Organize a group of players who agree that brewha is probably a wolf and needs to die. > > 3. Get those people to announce that if brewha is cured, he will be turbo-lynched the next day. > > 4. Furthermore, if brewha flips wolf and it is revealed who was responsible for curing him, that person will be turbo-lynched next. > > This should be disincentive enough to prevent any townie healers from targeting brewha. If a wolf healer is bold enough to try saving brewha anyway and gets caught, we might get two lynch two wolves for the price of one. > > If you find that to be too much work, I really don’t think a healer will risk themselves trying to heal Brewha tonight anyway considering how much heat he’s getting. And if he does get healed, the option to lynch is still on the table. > > Anyway, it’s stupid late on the east coast so I’m going to sleep. He’s been trying 1 & 2 for the past several days. He ‘is disappoint’ no one is listening. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3396 "2011-08-26T13:27:02Z")
It was very interesting reading those posts of\*\* Peekers\*\*. I have never see\*\* Pizza\*\* play as scum before but there is always a first time. Actually, though, if he is scum his posting style isn’t much different from when he’s town. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3397 "2011-08-26T13:28:24Z")
That’s the best way to play as scum. Changing your posting style is definitely a scum tell. I’m sure PizzaGuy is a good enough player to know this. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3398 "2011-08-26T14:04:52Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > giraffe also soft cleared for being targeted by blaster n1 Now THAT is a very good point. For the reason PizzaGuy says in response to me raising the possibility of Scum targeting Scum on N1: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Why wouldn’t I target someone else first just to make sure I don’t have negative powers? I understand I have yet to make a good impression here, but I REALLY hope people don’t think I’m that bleepin stupid. You aren’t. I was noting the possibility, and I have backed off of it. On N0, only one power acted. So on N1, 36 people didn’t know anything about their powers. It would be very risky to the point of stupid for a Wolf to target a fellow Wolf, when there was the potential to block/kill/do something else nasty to a teammate. It’s _possible_, just risky. > [@sangaman](#): > > Scuba Ben may be a protector, since his target on n1 felt safe. Ed, did you get a message about feeling safe on n2? > > Scuba Ben, did you get a message about feeling healthy or anything after Ed targeted you on n1? To take these in reverse order. I got no message about feeling healthy or anything. I got an instruction from Gad saying (extremely paraphrased to avoid quoting the PM) “Send in two targets next Night or I WILL CUT YOU!” As for me potentially being a protector, as I recall on D2 two or three people reported feelings of safe / health / warm glow. On D3 only two have reported that. We’re short _at least_ one possible protection. So there exists uncertainty as to whether I’m a protector. I’m strongly considering targeting someone Tonight who will report results Tomorrow without being prompted. At this point, I can choose from quite a few loudmouths. I’m sure everybody will understand that I won’t say who I pick. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > What I want is the town “WATCHER” role to WATCH me every night to see who targets me. A single Watcher _cannot_ watch you every Night. RTFOP, everybody must change targets every Night. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I have no idea. But if I were an apothecary and I had no one to heal besides brewha, I’d heal brewha just to make sure that’s what I can do, plus prove that’s what I was doing that night. This is a good move for a potential Apothecary, regardless of alignment. It would clear up their role. After about 4PM EDT, I will be gone for the rest of the Day. I’ll be spending the Night preparing for the hurricane; I’ll check in if and when I can. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3399 "2011-08-26T14:17:04Z")
> [@DuckburgDK](#): > > I don’t get this? > can you explain the deeper thoughts behind it? > And how will the watcher now if he’s a watcher, if he has been targeting people who haven’t had NA targeted at them? Sure. We’re in a game where everyone has a night action. Where some folks, like a true detective, will get results which mean they know who they are, but it will be quite rare. A “watcher” role is a role who targets someone and becomes aware of who, if anyone, is also targeting the player they’re targeting that night. Not what action, or what alignment, just the names. A “watcher” role will be in this game due to how common it is. I CANNOT be protected by a doctor every night, therefore I want to be “watched” as often as possible. It gives me a 50/50 chance of my death revealing my attacker. The watcher will not likely ever have a better shot at catching scum, or, I’ll survive several more rounds. Either outcome is fine with me. As for why “No doctors” Is several reasons. 1. Asking for doc protection lessens the odds I’ll be murdered. I want the watcher to be not wasting his or her time. 2. I’m not cleared enough to be asking for doc protection. Doc should protect whoever they think is most likely to be attacked, and most valuable out of those. 3. If I am forced to poison every night, and the apothecary may not always be with us, then I am a forced vigilante. As such, I will have to poison someone. I’d rather be enough of a threat with my poison that it attracts murders, thereby ending my poisoning and relieving the townies of worry that they’ll be poisoned next. 4. As I mentioned before, the odds of me hitting scum are much lower than the odds of me hitting townies. As such, absorbing a murder (hopefully with a watcher watching me) is the single best move I can make other than getting very lucky with my poison. Luck only lasts for so long. Being murdered and taking down a scumbag through the “watcher” role is my single best move other than nailing scumbags on consecutive nights, which the odds are very long against, ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3400 "2011-08-26T14:18:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You can love him or hate him, but Pizza is certainly a smart Mafia player. Not sure you could infer that from the game you saw me play. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3401 "2011-08-26T14:19:39Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > You’re full of shit again there PizzaGuy. Do you think that bigger words make them more true? I’m not going through all of Peeker’s 300+ posts, but here’s a sampling. Oh. Thought you were referring to my opinion of peeker. I never thought he was scummy, and I was correct. As for peeker, he felt a lot of people were scummy, and he was wrong about me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=169) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=171)