# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 172
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3422 "2011-08-26T16:35:05Z")
**unvote** **vote: brewha** If both are scummy and one is saying not to lynch the other, maybe we should be lynching the other. I don’t know, I’m too fried to think. Sanga could be scum and just trying to argue what he thinks is the townie thing; he could be townie and really believe that. Either one could be a third party. I don’t know. All I know is pulling posts is not working for me today; it’s like pulling teeth. Does anyone know where Episkey’s cop claim is? I can’t find it. Did NAF respond to the scum claim at all? I can’t find that either. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3423 "2011-08-26T16:36:44Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Also, here’s a theory. You didn’t target Mahaloth N1. You targeted a redirector who had Mahaloth as a target. You realize this after poisoning me and claim that you targeted mahaloth to gain town cred. Oh. Do I really have to explain why this is wrong? (underlining mine) ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3424 "2011-08-26T16:46:21Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > **unvote** > **vote: brewha** > > If both are scummy and one is saying not to lynch the other, maybe we should be lynching the other. I don’t know, I’m too fried to think. Sanga could be scum and just trying to argue what he thinks is the townie thing; he could be townie and really believe that. Either one could be a third party. I don’t know. All I know is pulling posts is not working for me today; it’s like pulling teeth. I’m fine with lynching either today. I only switched to **Sanga** because of (what I think is) his slip about the exact number of scum, so I feel that carries a bit more weight in suspicious-ness. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3425 "2011-08-26T16:46:49Z")
@ sangaman – I’m not sure what the vote count is but if you’re going down I think you should now reveal your targets and summarize PMs. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > … I would like suggestions on who to poison if the lead lynch flips scum, and who to poison if the lead lynch flips townie. > … if several townies agree on the case that means I’ll also be more likely to follow it because it means that I will be removing a true suspect for you. I think you should avoid poisoning a consensus Lynch candidate. Otherwise we’re liable to get a repetition of toDay’s dilemma: “Would like to Lynch so-and-so, but she’s already been poisoned.” Instead poison a likely Scum who is not a likely Lynch candidate. Two possibilities for this are: Astral Rejection or, better yet, Precambrianmollusc. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3426 "2011-08-26T16:48:58Z")
Yeah. You do. N1, he knew mahaloth got poisoned. But didn’t know who did it. N2, he knew he targetted me and I got poisoned. Surmised that there was only one poisoner and it had to be him. Is there something wrong with my timeline? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3427 "2011-08-26T16:49:11Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Did NAF respond to the scum claim at all? I can’t find that either. I didn’t. I don’t really see the point at the moment. I’m not scum and I think if you look at my postings that you will agree that I am probably not. The whispers have so far been inaccurate, and we can’t quite tell how. So I am not going to spend a lot of energy worrying about it until we know more. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3428 "2011-08-26T16:52:57Z")
My previous post is at Normal. Which, WTF? You think Sangaman is scum. He thinks no one should vote me. So, you vote me? You realize that your rationale only works IF SANGAMAN IS SCUM. And, if he is, he may have realized that the wagon is too far gone and wants to cast suspicion on someone else when he goes. But, bird in the hand, man. If think I’m scum BECAUSE you think Sangaman is scum. Vote Sangaman. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3429 "2011-08-26T16:57:34Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’d say it’s more likely than not he is Town, but it wouldn’t be the shocker of the century if he were to flip Scum. You guys are at least more accurate than the folks who know me. Which is odd. You think they’d be able to tell better than total strangers. If I were to tally up the games I’ve been lynched or vig-killed, it’s like 95+% townie on all the forums I’ve been on. Exclude a detective, and it’s nearly 100% townie lynches or vig kills. I can count up all the times I’ve been lynched as true mafia (not SK) right now, without detective results. In fact, I’m curious. Spoilered because it’s not relevant unless you care. [spoiler]My first game as scum, The [Prometheus](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108954-The-Prometheus-Large-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded-mafia-win%29), I was a round 4 lynch because I was acting scummy. That said, it was my second overall game ever. You couldn’t really pattern my behavior yet accurately, I feel that was a lucky guess/lynch someone for different playstyle. But I’ll count it. (Lynched) second [game](http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=207185), won, lynched on \*\*detective result \*\*only, partner survived. I bussed him hard but he didn’t die. 😃 (Lynched) third [game](http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=217758), won, didn’t get lynched. (Not lynched) fourth [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?111209-You-Can-t-Win-Small-Game-%28Concluded%29), started as neutral, deduced who the scum was by behavior alone, blackmailed him into recruiting me, won as mafia. (Not lynched) Fifth [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113773-The-fight-for-Inishmore-%28Concluded%29), lost because godfather got lynched, which causes auto-loss for the team. My godfather only got lynched because the game host changed the rules and just made stuff up halfway through the game, directly impacting my godfather in an unfair way. I wasn’t lynched, and she wasn’t going to get lynched until the game host interfered. Was rather close to victory, too. (Not lynched) Sixth [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117345-TF-Mini-Mafia-I-Mass-Effect-%28In-Play%29), won and even outed myself and my partner on the last day in a very high risk move. I didn’t know who my partner was, but I deduced it from his scummy behavior and then posted it for all to see. We then lynched someone else and won together. (Not lynched) Seventh [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?118881-Hitman-s-Gambit-Mini-Mafia), won as last man standing in a bloodbath victory, accomplishing all my goals. I was scanned on night zero and found to be scum by the way. Wanna know how I escaped? Pure gall. (Not lynched) Eighth [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123657-Alien-vs-Yakuza-%28Concluded%29), me and my partner survived unscathed. (Not lynched) Ninth [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded), my partner died before I was even recruited, due to strange mechanics. I started off neutral. Defeated all other factions besides the cult and allied with the mafia/cult. Made it to the final two, lost on a coin toss but still awarded a win. No lynch here, even when I outed myself as scum. Don’t ask, you don’t wanna know. (Not lynched) Tenth [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-Concluded), me and my partner survived unscathed. (Not lynched) Eleventh [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127416-The-Revenge-of-Inishmore%21-Concluded), the team I was recruited to won, and I helped them win. Problem was, game host reverted my alignment back to original when I died and didn’t inform me. As such, that’s a bastard host move and I should have won. I wasn’t lynched here either. (Not lynched) Twelfth [game](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?130114-Roman-Brutality), nearly flawless but I timed the last lynch improperly by an hour, and the lynch reversed and hit my partner. I survived anyway. (Not lynched) Thirteenth [game](http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=309105), flawless. (Not lynched) Fourteenth [game](http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005), flawless. (Not lynched) Fifteenth [game](http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=337438), nearly flawless. (Not lynched) There was a game where I was converted to a cult and murdered right afterward, I hardly count that as me being mafia or being lynched either but I was technically scum for a round. (Not lynched) There was another game I’m sure of it… I was lynched via detective result. Can’t find it though. Game host was even sure I’d lose because he included 2 detectives, one town one neutral, and that was when everyone was scanning me N1. And so, I was scanned N1 twice that game. In fact, I think I was actually vig-killed there, come to think of it. Game I can’t find because the game host abandoned it. (Not sure, detective results anyway) I was also mafia in two other games that hosts abandoned and I wasn’t lynched in those either. (Not lynched twice) [/spoiler]Good God! Of my games as mafia, and there have been many, I have been lynched VERY FEW times and mostly via detective results. I was lynched exactly once in over 100 games, as mafia (not SK) without a detective result. Of my games as townie, I die via the lynch a **lot**. I cannot even count up all the times I’ve been lynched as townie, there’s many many dozen games. Townies just don’t get me\* at all.\* :mad: Like I said, you guys are \*way \*ahead of the curve, even given the small sample size. Looking over this record, I am starting to get ticked off at the folks who don’t bother analyzing me on the other boards. Even by blind fricking luck they should be doing way better than this. I think I just pissed myself off. And a big eff you to true detectives. God they suck. :mad::mad::mad: ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3430 "2011-08-26T16:59:40Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Instead poison a likely Scum who is not a likely Lynch candidate. Two possibilities for this are: Astral Rejection or, better yet, Precambrianmollusc. Okay. Astral is on my list for sure. I might do something surprising though and go for one of the black name candidates from my earlier colored-in vote tally and analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3431 "2011-08-26T17:02:57Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Yeah. You do. > > N1, he knew mahaloth got poisoned. But didn’t know who did it. > > N2, he knew he targetted me and I got poisoned. Surmised that there was only one poisoner and it had to be him. > > Is there something wrong with my timeline? He claimed having targeted Maha on day two. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3432 "2011-08-26T17:09:48Z")
Oops, didn’t add in Gangland Wars and Heaven versus Hell. Wasn’t lynched in either of those either. I repeat: Townies generally don’t get me. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3433 "2011-08-26T17:10:05Z")
If I recall correctly, nobody has claimed the same target sequence as PizzaGuy has claimed. That makes it very likely given available info that PizzaGuy is the Poisoner. So I discount **brewha** ’s hypothesis that PizzaGuy targeted someone and got redirected onto Mahaloth. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3434 "2011-08-26T17:11:25Z")
ABWOP: PizzaGuy, this is the first time I’ve played with you, and I don’t get you. (This need not correlate with any alignment.) I’ll add you to my list of who to vote for at the starting gun. ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3435 "2011-08-26T17:12:27Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Okay. > > Astral is on my list for sure. I might do something surprising though and go for one of the black name candidates from my earlier colored-in vote tally and analysis. i think you should start poisoning under the radars who aren’t posting, the more wolfy ones obviously, i haven’t looked into who these may be and it’s sort of hard to tell anyway, for obvious reasons then they even will still have a chance to defend themselves and get cured if they really want to we have to resolve them somehow regardless ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3436 "2011-08-26T17:13:29Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Good God! > > Of my games as mafia, and there have been many, I have been lynched VERY FEW times … > > Of my games as townie, I die via the lynch a **lot**. I cannot even count up all the times I’ve been lynched as townie, there’s many many dozen games. Townies just don’t get me\* at all.\* :mad: Let me see if I understand this. If you were Town you’d be getting a lot of Lynch votes; in fact you’d probably be dead by now. It’s when you’re not being voted, as in this game, that you really are Scum, right? That makes this vote a no-brainer: **Lynch: Askthepizzaguy** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3437 "2011-08-26T17:14:53Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > i think you should start poisoning under the radars who aren’t posting, the more wolfy ones obviously, i haven’t looked into who these may be and it’s sort of hard to tell anyway, for obvious reasons > > then they even will still have a chance to defend themselves and get cured if they really want to > > we have to resolve them somehow regardless That’s a good plan actually. Poison one of the people in the bottom 5 in terms of post count every Day. Either randomize the selection or leave it up to your own judgment but don’t say which player. It will help keep posting up and force scum to talk more to stay out of the bottom five, and get rid of dead weight. If we have to have forced vigging, I think this is the most pro-town way to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3438 "2011-08-26T17:15:08Z")
> [@pwnsall](#): > > i think you should start poisoning under the radars who aren’t posting, the more wolfy ones obviously, i haven’t looked into who these may be and it’s sort of hard to tell anyway, for obvious reasons > > then they even will still have a chance to defend themselves and get cured if they really want to > > we have to resolve them somehow regardless I agree with this. PizzaGuy, I suggest you target the lurkers. (I feel I suggested the same a while back, I think even more now that it’s a good idea.) ---
**Author:** ![pwnsall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@pwnsall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwnsall)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3439 "2011-08-26T17:15:41Z")
septimus probably isn’t a bad choice to poison based on that post anyone under ~30 posts who has been here the whole time is posting too little ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3440 "2011-08-26T17:16:16Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I didn’t. I don’t really see the point at the moment. I’m not scum and I think if you look at my postings that you will agree that I am probably not. The whispers have so far been inaccurate, and we can’t quite tell how. So I am not going to spend a lot of energy worrying about it until we know more. I wanted to go through Special Ed’s posts today, but it’s not happening. Can you find one or two that explain what you mean? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3441 "2011-08-26T17:18:24Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I wanted to go through Special Ed’s posts today, but it’s not happening. Can you find one or two that explain what you mean? Let me see what I can do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=171) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=173)