# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 175
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3482 "2011-08-26T18:57:26Z")
I don’t know if anyone is still interested, but I’ve finally managed to finish going through all of **NAF1138** ’s posts, along with \*\*pwnsall \*\*and **Episkey** from earlier. I haven’t had a chance to to back to look in depth at a few things that piqued my curiosity, but off the top of my head my feelings are **Episkey** : leaning Town. He had a lot of posts early on about game mechanics, and quite a few asking about certain people’s playstyles (does \*\*peeker \*\*think he’s an easy mislynch, is \*\*Giraffe \*\*a frequent mislynch, etc.) That could either be Scum trying to suss out easy targets, or it could be Town trying to figure out who the Scum think are easy targets. I believe his claim at the moment, or at least I believe that he believes what he’s telling us. **pwnsall** : undecided He subbed in for \*\*Timelady \*\*near the beginning of Day 2. Almost all of Timelady’s posts were related to game mechanics, and she never commented on any of the Day 1 vote leaders at all, instead voting for **Sister Coyote** for “innocuous posting”. that had me leaning Scum. But pwnsall has been much more 'involved. He cast the last vote on **Blaster Master** , and I haven’t seen anything Today that stands out as Scummy. So I’m torn on my opinions between the two players who have shared this role **NAF1138** : leaning slightly Scum He too has made a lot of posts talking about game theory and machanics. He voiced the ‘bad idea’ on Day 1, but I think that was a null tell. He seemed to be swaying in the breeze on Day 2 between Blaster Master and **Inner Stickler**. I need to review the timeline there, not just of the votes themselves but of some oe the supporting posts. At this point, I have a ‘bad feeling’, but I don’t know if that will be borne out by closer scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3483 "2011-08-26T19:00:50Z")
**Dearest Mod Gad - could we get a vote count?** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3484 "2011-08-26T19:03:01Z")
**brewha** , were you informed that you were poisoned, or did you find out at the same time we did, by reading the dawn Post? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3485 "2011-08-26T19:22:22Z")
I received a PM that I was poisoned - and that my night target yielded no apparent result. Nothing really useful. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3486 "2011-08-26T19:22:27Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **NAF1138** : leaning slightly Scum > > He seemed to be swaying in the breeze on Day 2 between Blaster Master and **Inner Stickler**. I need to review the timeline there, not just of the votes themselves but of some oe the supporting posts. Ok, I want to call bullshit here. Plankton isn’t the first person to say something like this (I don’t think). But it isn’t true. I was trying my damndest to get EITHER BlaM OR Stickler lynched. I was pushing both wagons and I was voting with whichever I thought had the best chance of taking off. NO ONE was listening to me about BlaM until Normal Phase joined in. By that point I had already moved on to try to push the Stickler lynch which again NO ONE LISTENED TO. So as by that time people had started to pick up on the case THAT I FUCKING MADE against BlaM I moved back to BlaM. No shifting in the wind. No following the crowd. It was my case that got BlaM lynched and it was likely my pushing that got people to join in the Stickler wagon. I was on both for most of the time I was around. I was vocal about both, I was pushing hard for both. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3487 "2011-08-26T19:38:17Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > **Dearest Mod Gad - could we get a vote count?** I’m actually in Vegas and away from my computer for a while today. I’ll have an updated vote count as soon as I can. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3488 "2011-08-26T19:41:18Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Ok, I want to call bullshit here. Plankton isn’t the first person to say something like this (I don’t think). But it isn’t true. I was trying my damndest to get EITHER BlaM OR Stickler lynched. I was pushing both wagons and I was voting with whichever I thought had the best chance of taking off. > > NO ONE was listening to me about BlaM until Normal Phase joined in. By that point I had already moved on to try to push the Stickler lynch which again NO ONE LISTENED TO. So as by that time people had started to pick up on the case THAT I FUCKING MADE against BlaM I moved back to BlaM. > > No shifting in the wind. No following the crowd. It was my case that got BlaM lynched and it was likely my pushing that got people to join in the Stickler wagon. I was on both for most of the time I was around. I was vocal about both, I was pushing hard for both. Having gone over the timeline rather closely, it does seem that what you are saying here is likely true. You started off on **Blaster Master** , then switched to **Inner Stickler** after **Texcat’s** Post 2232. After that wagon failed to take off you went back to **BlaM** , but continued to push for an \*\*Inner \*\*lynch right up until you signed off for the Day. It was only after you were gone that the \*\*Inner \*\*bandwagon really caught steam. It is \*possible \*that you were bussing Bl **a** M, tried to get an \*\*Inner \*\*wagon going and failed, and then were unable to rejoin it once it caught fire at the end of the Day. But there’s no good evidence to suggest that is a more plausible explanation that what you have just given. I’m not clearing you, but I won’t be voting for you Today. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3489 "2011-08-26T19:51:14Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > snipped > > Still wondering if we should go back and resolve the Gnarly vs SilverJan with a **lunch** there, that might help us figure out what Episkis power is as well. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Lunch is always good, Pizza anyone? so you think you can resolve the Jan vs Gnarly issue over lunch and we’re having pizza? 😉 > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Infered from results and teh wording of the results > > Also received a roile PM for the Apothecary, but with my name at the beginning. For reasons mentioned, I do not beleve that is my role, but beleive it is helpful for town to knwo one of has that role and the mechanism of the role. > unless we have some of insane role teller, who tells the target another random role of the same alingement. > > Special ed - did you get your role last night or night one? why do you feel it’s wrong? you have the full PM like **Ed** and I. are you saying you then received someone else’s role? meaning the role PM was redirected to you. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3490 "2011-08-26T19:55:32Z")
> [@J.D](#): > > ok question: who is episkey? > > never voting lilflower, in fact, if I was lying about my actions giving me a no result, I would tell you I seer peeked her Town. In other words, if I die and am revealed as a seer, remember my peek. > > pwnsall seems to be doing good work, he is also probably a Townie, say 75%. Don’t know if it’s been answered, episkey = jimhalpert > [@J.D](#): > > Hi duck! > > I am certainly interested in askthepizzaguy’s role, very active, most likely Town, but obviously dont get some of his points. for instance, if the wolves kill him at night, they certainly arent going to come out the next day and say "HEY, I targetted him and now he is dead! " lol > [@DuckburgDK](#): > > Hey JD > > I understand your interest for pizzaguy - cause I find that statement pretty weid. > not as weird as sangamans - but still pretty weird. > No I believe that he wants the town watcher to target him every night - hereby not gaining any other information. > > It’s a bold move to do as scum - do you think he could do it? Pizza’s weird. He’s been pretty pro-villa but makes some strange posts which I completely disagree with then he’ll state something along the lines of there’s no way anyone is changing his mind. Stuff like dethy setups and maybe vote wagons, can’t remember exactly. I think he’s just a stubborn villager fwiw. Watcher probably already knows their role by now so it’s not like he can be hoping the watches are in the dark about anything. I’d imagine he’s legit. If pizza is a poisoner as he is (was?) claiming before, I don’t see a ton of value in the watchers just targeting the suspected village poisoner. Seems like we get much more information if they target players who have been present but sort of utr and outside of all the claims. I’m just catching up after a few days so don’t mind me if any of this has been addressed. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3491 "2011-08-26T20:00:14Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Eh? > While I do find **Brewha** suspicious and would be happy voting for him, I am currently voting for **Sangaman** , not **Brewha**. Sorry - I was thinking of your \*\*brewha \*\*vote (which did happen at some point toDay, right)? I thought that was what \*\*Normal \*\*was talking about, too. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3492 "2011-08-26T20:01:11Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Also: I do not want protection at night. > > What I want is the town “WATCHER” role to WATCH me every night to see who targets me. > > On the night I am murdered, I want the names of everyone who targeted me. > > I want NO ONE targeting me except the watcher. Even if I get re-directed, I want to know who did that. If I get murdered, kill that person. > > That’s all. > > NO DOCTORS. > > Besides, I am not going to have a good suspect to kill every night. Dying for the town is one of my best moves here. If I bring down a scum too, that’s twice as good. > > PLEASE HONOR MY REQUEST. Oh, this is that post. Thing is if pizza is a wolf, it doesn’t matter if the watchers target him, there’s no way a wolf is going to be targeting fellow wolf pizza to kill him. So whoever is likely to target pizza will be a villa (if pizza is a wolf) and draw suspicion to themselves. Pizza’s already basically outed his role as a poisoner so if he’s a wolf and he poisons another villager, he can just claim that person looked wolfy to him. Watcher can verify who pizza targeted but we don’t actually learn anything new. This doesn’t really make pizza a wolf, but if he is a wolf it’s not at all dangerous for him to want the village watchers to target him. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3493 "2011-08-26T20:16:58Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Sorry - I was thinking of your \*\*brewha \*\*vote (which did happen at some point toDay, right)? I thought that was what \*\*Normal \*\*was talking about, too. My mistake. Yeah, I was voting for him earlier toDay (for also finding him suspicious) but switched to **Sanga** after the “9 scum” comment. I do agree with you that it seems foolish and odd NOW to vote **Brewha** when **Sanga** has that big of a lead (whereas I can justify, to myself, my own vote on **Brewha** earlier in the sense that nobody else had any votes at the time). ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3494 "2011-08-26T20:20:37Z")
Can somebody reiterate the reasons why it’s unlikely pizza is a wolf poisoner? Something is tickling the edge of my brain, and maybe that’ll help shake it loose. I also noticed some people talking about me earlier, but I can’t find it now. If you had any questions you wanted me to address, could you point me in the right direction? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3495 "2011-08-26T20:23:52Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Can somebody reiterate the reasons why it’s unlikely pizza is a wolf poisoner? Something is tickling the edge of my brain, and maybe that’ll help shake it loose. > > I also noticed some people talking about me earlier, but I can’t find it now. If you had any questions you wanted me to address, could you point me in the right direction? He targeted Mahaloth N1. Chances are, the Scum would not have targeted one another N1, because their powers are likely detrimental, not positive. This says nothing about him being Town. He could be a third party, although this would be a risky gambit if he were. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3496 "2011-08-26T20:24:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@lilflower](#): > > > > Day doesn’t end until toMorrow and yesterDay’s voting was going until the last minute. I don’t think sangaman is a lock at this point. > > > > I assume you are talking about \*\*brewha \*\*here. How do you reconcile thinking he is scummy enough to die but that you don’t want to lynch him? Once again, you say your opinion doesn’t matter (why is that?) and you think \*\*Idle \*\*is off his rocker but you are voting for the same player he is. > > > > When I read the underlined part, it seemed to me that you had an equally scummy read on both. Is that not true? > > > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > > OK, I’m taking a break. I need someone else to look at this and tell me if my OMGUS-dar needs adjusting, but this just looks deliberately obtuse. > > > > Back this evening, I think. I’m not being purposely obtuse. I really don’t understand what you are saying in these two posts so I’m asking for clarification. And I’m sorry if I’m bugging you and you don’t feel like being questioned but this is mafia. As for the comment about Idle, I guess I don’t see how it fits in now. I was thinking you were commenting on his brewha vote. If not, then what makes him off his rocker? And it really does sound to me like you in one post you are saying brewha should not be lynched and in another that you think he is scummy enough to die. I see this as a contradiction so I’m just asking you to clarify what you are saying. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Are you looking at the context of the quotes you pulled, yourself? You’re asking me why I didn’t follow up on Giraffe yesterDay. I’m telling you that I missed (AFK) the vast majority of that Day. When I did get back, on Tuesday, I saw that people had both voted and unvoted Giraffe, leaving the bandwagon at just me and peeker. It looked like wasted effort to go digging up all my reasons from three days ago under those circumstances. I looked through recent posts instead and found brewha’s Silver Jan vote scummy, and voted for him. What is so hard to understand about this? My point here (which I guess was not clear) was that you made a vote on \*\*Giraffe \*\*and said “I think” which supports my assertion that you are not really taking accountability for your votes. Your response to that originally makes sense as it relates to the above, but not for the original vote with the disclaimer of “I think.” > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Well for starters, I didn’t see it and still haven’t. If you have a link I’ll take a look. [Post 1936](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14170667&postcount=1936). > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Stuff I vehemently disagree is scummy. I rarely agree with you on votes. So you vehemently disagree it’s scummy to place votes with a disclaimer like “I think” and "The one that pinged me the most is brewha, but I’ll vote for any of them [Dancecat, BlaM, PCM, Inner Stickler]”. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > But you are deliberately trying to take me wrong, you have to be. Why would anyone, town, scum or otherwise, ever say even in jest that their vote _doesn’t matter_? My vote is unlikely to matter to the outcome of today’s vote, not in general. Does not compute. And every vote does count, whether because it leads to someone’s lynch or leaves a record of who you thought was scummy. You seem to be dismissing the fact that any case you make or vote you make toDay has any bearing on the game. You seem to be like “oh well, here’s my vote, I’m sort of sure I want to place it but if something else comes along, I might vote there, too.” You are usually a player who puts in a lot of analysis on a case and makes a vote and doesn’t care if it’s a bandwagon or not. That is what is pinging me. You even say this at one point (which I just find very out of character for you as a town player): > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > There is no way I’m going to be able to catch up before Tuesday (see other game’s thread). Have some good bandwagons for me to choose from, is all I can say. So you seem to playing just enough not to be lurking, you are admittedly skimming and then placing votes with little to no accountability or confidence. It seems out of character for you as a town player. If anyone else cares to defend **Normal** , I am all ears. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3497 "2011-08-26T20:27:56Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > He targeted Mahaloth N1. Chances are, the Scum would not have targeted one another N1, because their powers are likely detrimental, not positive. > > This says nothing about him being Town. He could be a third party, although this would be a risky gambit if he were. I think someone also mentioned the possibility of a re-director. So the re-director could have directed \*\*ATPG \*\*onto \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and \*\*ATPG \*\*is saying he targeted \*\*Mahaloth \*\*to get town cred. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3498 "2011-08-26T20:28:17Z")
NETA – this is the same reason why people are soft-clearing Giraffe. Doubtful that BLaM would have targeted a fellow Scum N1. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3499 "2011-08-26T20:29:57Z")
Alright guys, I don’t know if I’ll be posting before EOD. I’ll keep an eye on the thread via my carppy phone, but it’s very clunky to post with. One last plea for the apothecary to heal me. I cross my heart that I am not a wolf. Stick a needle in my eye! If nothing else, it’s a great way to test and prove your role. No need to out yourself, but if you see fit to spare a bit of your antidote, I’ll be grateful. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3500 "2011-08-26T20:39:51Z")
I agree, hence why it’s just a soft clear. Not sure of how the mechanics of redirection would work in this game, given we only submit one target. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/3501 "2011-08-26T20:50:30Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I’m actually in Vegas and away from my computer for a while today. I’ll have an updated vote count as soon as I can. Go and lose your shirt, and I’ll see what I can find. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=174) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=176)